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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old Nov 7th, 12, 07:06 PM Thread Starter
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Question Muncie question?

a buddy of mine has a muncie 21(he thinks it a m21) that has the vin starting with 9H. 9 is the year, but what does the h stand for. i know its the plant but what plant is it and what cars did they produce. thanks.

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Re: muncie question??

Is it something like P9Hxx ?

If so, P is Muncie, 9 is 1969, H is the month of assembly - June. The numbers after that are the day of the month.

Partial VIN would be something like 19N566192

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Re: muncie question??

no, the vin on the trans starts with 9h.

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Re: muncie question??

9H or 19H ?

The only vehicle assembly plant I know of that used H is Buick City in Flint, MI.

What is the whole code?

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9h

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Re: muncie question??

ill have to get the whole code from him and post tomarrow. i just glanced at it and saw 9h. ill post back tomarrow. thanks for the help.

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Re: muncie question??

Post all of the coded information stamped and I will try to figure it out.

There should be something before the 9H and after.

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Re: muncie question??

what models did buick city make? i take it buick

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Re: muncie question??

Over the years, the Muncie 4 speed manual transmission was use by General Motors in the following cars:

Buick:
Special
Special Deluxe
GS
Lesabre
Wildcat
Electra
Century
Centurion
Skylark
Regal

Chevrolet:
Belair
Biscane
Camaro
Chevelle
El Camino
Impala
Malibu
Corvette
Nova/Chevy II

GMC:
Caballero
Spirit

Oldsmobile:
Cutlass
Jetstar
Cruiser
88
Delmont
Delta
Dynamic
F88
Omega
Starfire
Vista
442

Pontiac:
Catalina
Firebird
Trans AM
Grand Prix
LeMans
GTO
Tempest

In this case, 9H indicates a 1969 Buick LeSabre assembled at the Buick City (Flint), Michigan plant.

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Re: muncie question??

thanks ed, thats exactly what i wanted. here is the codes. p9m30 and the vin is 9h141286. thanks again.

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Re: muncie question??

I have never seen a Buick Lesabre with a Muncie, but if Ed says so, I believe him.

A 1969 Buick GS could have had a Muncie.

To my knowledge, a 1969 Buick partial VIN on a Muncie would be something like 49Hxxxxxx. The 4 being for Buick.

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Re: muncie question??

Thanks Guys!This is actually my transmission.I cant believe buick put a muncie in any car except the GS that I do believe and yes it is definitely only 9h at the beginning of the vin there is no evidence of any other numbers there.Appreciate the help!
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Re: muncie question??

This is from a Buick GS site.

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If the transmission is original, the 'Transmission Serial Number' (figure T1) should read 9 digits - a '4' (for Buick), followed by the last 8 digits of the VIN. If the VIN is 446379H100001, the transmission serial number would be 49H100001.

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Re: muncie question??

I've seen the division # missing from partial VIN's before. Not common, but some plants didn't.

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post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old Nov 8th, 12, 07:45 AM
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Re: muncie question??

I've never heard of a LeSabre with a Muncie either. I got that information from a web site that sells Muncie parts, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

I looked at the 1969 BUICK SALES BROCHURE and the LeSabre came with either a 3 speed manual transmission (standard) or the 2 speed or 3 speed automatic (optional). It didn't say anything about a 4 speed.

Also, according to WIKIPEDIA, the Buick City plant built the LeSabre and the Bonneville, so going by this, and the guy that sells Muncie parts, the only car it could have come on is the LeSabre, unless the Wikipedia site is wrong or incomplete, which is probably the case. (Jeez, that would be a suprise!!)

Edit: A quick ebay search shows that the Buick Skylark was also built at Buick City, so now we know the Wikipedia list is incomplete. Also, the sales brochure above shows the only car available with a 4 speed was the GS, so now we know the web site that sells Muncie parts is also wrong! I would imagine the car it originially came out of was a GS assembled at the Buick City plant.

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