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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 12th, 00, 06:26 PM Thread Starter
 
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my wife & i need help to know if our car is a ss or not . please give us all the information you can this is our #'s off the fire wall plate: ST69 12432 NOR143928BDY
TR723 69SDNT
100 X11

OUR VIN # : 124379N699057
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 13th, 00, 03:17 PM
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12437 - V8 coupe
N - built in Norwood Ohio
143928th car built
723- midnight green standard interior
69-cortez silver
S- green vinyl top
10D-built 4th week in Oct.
X11-style trim group (include's SS 350's)
Note ,not all were SS 350"s
You will have to look for certian things on your car such as fuel line's,front power disc brake's,exhaust hanger bracket welded on frame in wheel well,multi-leaf spring's,& 12 bolt rear.
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post #3 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 13th, 00, 06:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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our car has a 12 bolt rear , multileaf springs , front power disc brakes .
we have been told it came out with a 396
could this be true?

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post #4 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 13th, 00, 06:53 PM
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Nope. The SS 396 trim tag codes were X22, or X66. As Pat suggested above, check for number of fuel lines, and the LH rear exhaust hanger frame plate.
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Weird color combination. Have any pictures?

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post #6 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 14th, 00, 06:03 AM Thread Starter
 
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thanks guys for all the help, but there arent any numbers on the exhaust hanger. thank goodness they didnt take the fuel lines
it only has one. it did have a rosewood wheel, am/fm , fold down seats , and dual exhaust. you all are the greatest
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If there is only one original fuel line on a X11 car then it didn't have a Q-jet carb (which used a return line in 69) and therefore wouldn't be an SS-350. This doesn't mean you should stop looking for evidence, since you need to make sure that your fuel line(s) are original.

The questioner that mentioned your exhaust hangers was asking if you had the frame rail reinforcement on *both* sides of the car. A 69 SS coupe has these, as does any other factory dual exhaust coupe. Lack of them indicates that the car wasn't a SS-350, but presence of both of them doesn't prove it (necessary, but not sufficient).

Other easy things to examine include the tire sticker and the hood springs.

See the table at http://www.camaros.org/diffs69.shtml

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Rich our car does look like the fuel line has been replaced , thanks. also the only numbers i can find on the hood springs are a symbol that looks like a reversed "4" beside a " v", also the car does have a cowl inducton hood. thanks for all the replys we hope to find out what we have disappointing or not . this is a win win situation because it is a 69 camaro.forgot to mention it does have the frame rail reinforcement on both sides. and the referance table is great thanks ; question ? our vin shows 12437 that of a Z28 but the X11 puts us in a LM1 or SS L48 , am i reading this wrong?

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post #9 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 15th, 00, 01:32 PM Thread Starter
 
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Rich,
our hood springs measure 9.325".
We have an SS. We can't THANK YOU enough.
I'm sure we will have more questions later.
Once again THANKS.
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tk,
12437 is good for Z/28, SS, and other v/8's. It decodes to Camaro v/8 sport coupe.
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I would not assume that the car is a SS. None of the items proved that statement. Hood springs could have been changed and the dual exhaust and disc brakes were optional on any V8 car.
What is the axle code from the passenger axle tube? See the sketch of the location under 'Decoding' on the CRG site.

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Kurt is correct - still too early to jump to conclusions. There is research remaining to be done on this car.

You imply that the original engine is gone, but you didn't say. That true?

You haven't indicated the transmission type. What is/was it?

No documentation at all?

It is always possible in situations like this that it can't be proven one way or the other if it is an SS or not. If your engine and tranny are gone, but your 12-bolt is correctly dated for your car, then you've got a decent story, but still one based on circumstantial evidence.

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Hey Guys,
This is getting discouraging!
We so far are unable to find the tranny
numbers ,but it is a powerglide.
We contacted the previous owner, the rearend was changed out to a 10 bolt,we
found the casting #'s e038
9793019
The person that owned it before changed a # of things, for racing purposes. I know this
may not be anything, but it has the SS emblems. I appreciate all of your HELP.
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post #14 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 17th, 00, 12:11 PM
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Don't get discouraged. On the other hand, don't fixate on your car being a SS. A lot of fine Camaros aren't SS's (including my L30/M20).

You're correct - SS emblems don't make a SS. My L30/M20 was dressed as an SS when I bought it.

9793019 doesn't mean anything to me as a casting number. If that is the axle casting, it isn't original. A E038 casting date means your axle center section was cast in May of some year ending in 8: 68, 78, etc. No matter what - it isn't dated correctly for a late model 69.

You've got me confused on the axle. Is it a 10-bolt or 12-bolt, and to what axle do those numbers you've quoted apply to? If the axle isn't original then you've got nothing to go on with that line.

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post #15 of 19 (permalink) Old Oct 18th, 00, 07:43 AM Thread Starter
 
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RICH,
Thanks so much for all of your help.
I know I shouldn't be overly concerned
as to if it is or isn't a SS.I just want to
make sure one way or another. We are about to
begin the process of stripping it down to the
axles and rebuilding it. We have already done
the interior and some other things. I'm
trying to make sure of what I have, so when it's put back together it's done right.
In regard to the axle it is a 10 bolt. They
said it did have the orig. 12 bolt, but they
changed it out.The casting #'s that we gave
was off of the 10 bolt.Any other suggestions.
And once again THANKS for all of the HELP.
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