x33 vs x77 - Team Camaro Tech
Tag Team De-coding tags and numbers.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 06:12 AM Thread Starter
Senior Tech
Bryan
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 276
Post

Question.... Doing some research on my patricular Z. Did all x77 cars come with the side gill chrome or were they left off, rocker chrome on or off? Rear tall bumper guards on or off? Getting ready to "undo" my semi custom look to go back original. --Bryan

--X22d80ragtop
1969 Z/28 Cortez Silver, D80 option, 8k tach and gauges.
1969 SS 396/350 Convertible, Cortez Silver,4 speed,D80 option
1971 RS Z/28, classic copper, 8k tach, ugly as u can get.. but a Z.
x22d80ragtop is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 07:24 AM
Senior Tech
Gary
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA
Posts: 7,609
Post

Assuming we are ignoring X33 RS, I believe the only difference between the two is drip rail brightwork, headlight bezel brightwork, and taillight divider brightwork.
Unreal is offline  
post #3 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 07:28 AM
Senior Tech
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Columbus, GA
Posts: 867
Post

X77 did NOT receive the chrome side 'gills'. They DID receive the rocker panel molding and ALL Z/28's had the large rear bumper guards.
Hope this helps.

Dave, member number 7704
2000 Dodge Viper GTS
drdave69 is offline  
post #4 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 08:13 AM
Senior Tech
 
William's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 2,935
Post

Chevy Rumble does it again!!

They report that some Z/28s were X11.

Seems like anything Doug Marion has his hands on will have dis-information in it. Super Chevy used to drive me nuts.

William

CRG www.camaros.org
William is offline  
post #5 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 10:15 AM
Gold Lifetime Member
"Tri-Tip"
 
Gary L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Clovis , CA, USA
Posts: 10,065
Post

Just surfing thru here because anything Z28 is of interest to me. Are we sure about rocker panel moldings? What were you saying William?

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ..... George Washington

Gary,TC Member with a Lemans Blue/Ivory 02D X33, DZ, M20, MS, flat hood. Only the BU code rear end is original.
Gary L is offline  
post #6 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 11:23 AM
Senior Tech
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 211
Post

My Z28 is a Los car with build sheet. It is the base Z28, so if a Nor car would be a X77 car. I bought it back in 81 and feel it was very original when I bought it. It does not have the side vent chrome, drip rail chrome, head lamp chrome or the tail light vertical chrome. It does have the rocker chrome and the tall bumper guards. I understand that the bumper guards came on 12 bolt cars. Hope this helps.

69 Z28
maizedog is offline  
post #7 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 11:36 AM
Senior Tech
 
William's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 2,935
Post

I am saying Chevy Rumble is wrong. X11 is never a Z/28.

The only 1st gen Camaro that did not have the rocker panel spears was the '68 RS.

The optional (V32) rear bumper guards were included with Z/28 equipment due to Federal bumper height requirements. They were also included with G31 HD rear springs.

William

CRG www.camaros.org
William is offline  
post #8 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 12:56 PM Thread Starter
Senior Tech
Bryan
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 276
Post

Ok, i kinda figured that. This car also has the d80 option as well as tach and gauges that I know are original. Does this car sound like it was ordered?
x22d80ragtop is offline  
post #9 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 01:03 PM
Senior Tech
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dallas
Posts: 656
Post

Ref Williams post, I had a lucky defining moment when my lazy rear bought a copy of Car Craft magazine way back in 1984. It was the June issue, I guess I most likely picked it up in May. Page 56 started a "special camaro section", which at the time was a good enough hook to purchase. Chuck Hanson had a piece called "Truth or consequences" which gave a decent rundown of the options for a Z-28 and discussed the Norwood codes ( X-33,X-77 ). This was right about the time I was looking to buy a particular X-33 car, and the article helped convince me that the car was really as advertised. I bought the car in July 1984 and still own it!I was 21 years old at the time, and that article helped a young buyer from making a bad decision, or in other words helped me make a good decision. A latter issue of Super Chevy mag ( January 1987) listed X-11 cars as being a number of possible models, including Z-28, base car 327, and COPO. I wonder how many deals were struck based on THAT information. I dont subscribe to any auto mags anymore...

Rob

Robert

'69 X-33 since 1984

"Its all crazy..."
olympic69 is offline  
post #10 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 01:14 PM
Senior Tech
Gary
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Chattanooga, TN, USA
Posts: 7,609
Post

My buddy has an X77 that had the quarter louvers. He bought it unrestored from the original owner. Maybe the original owner added the louvers, or maybe it was a factory mistake.
Unreal is offline  
post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 01:18 PM
Gold Lifetime Member
"Tri-Tip"
 
Gary L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Clovis , CA, USA
Posts: 10,065
Post

That is a great piece of Camaro Z28 trivia about why the tall bumper guards were included as standard Z28 equipment! I actually did not know that Z28's sat lower than other models.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ..... George Washington

Gary,TC Member with a Lemans Blue/Ivory 02D X33, DZ, M20, MS, flat hood. Only the BU code rear end is original.
Gary L is offline  
post #12 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 01:30 PM
Senior Tech
 
William's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 2,935
Post

Unlike Chrysler at that time, all Chevrolets were built to a dealer order. The order could be for stock or per customer requirements. I was able to review a dealers Camaro orders for 67-69 and noted that Z/28s were very tough to get, particularly early in the model year.

William

CRG www.camaros.org
William is offline  
post #13 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 05:48 PM
Senior Tech
Mark
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Shrewsbury, MA, USA
Posts: 6,484
Post

Z28's sit higher, than other cars. The V32 large bumper gaurds are mostly below the rear bumper and were used to bring the bumper height down to comply with federal requirments.

Mark Canning
1969 Indy Pace Car
350/300HP RPO Z11
My Engine Compartment
Mark C is offline  
post #14 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 21st, 03, 08:38 PM
Senior Tech
 
Kurt S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Posts: 5,841
Post

Covered in detail here:
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

Kurt S.
CRG - www.camaros.org
Kurt S is offline  
post #15 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 22nd, 03, 06:50 PM
Gold Lifetime Member
"Tri-Tip"
 
Gary L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Clovis , CA, USA
Posts: 10,065
Post

Mark C: Don't the regular bumper guards sit below the bumper? It appears that the large bumper guard only differ in that they extend above the bumper. Thanks for the info.
Gary

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ..... George Washington

Gary,TC Member with a Lemans Blue/Ivory 02D X33, DZ, M20, MS, flat hood. Only the BU code rear end is original.
Gary L is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Team Camaro Tech forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address.
NOTE we receive a lot of registrations with bad email addresses. IF you do not receive your confirmation email you will not be able to post. contact support and we will try and help.
Be sure you enter a valid email address and check your spam folder as well.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome