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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old Jan 26th, 13, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
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Looking at an engine tommorrow. Need opinions

Im going to look at an engine tomorrow and wanted to figure out if its worth my time. This was in a 72 Nova tubbed car. Only used at the track. He sold the car and not the engine. The guy that bought the car had a big block he wanted to use so he pulled it and sold it sepperate. Block code 14016379. It also has stub girtles on the rocker studs. Not sure of the crank. I would have to replace the pistons for sure. He's asking 3k, but im not offering anything over 2k if I decide to do it. I'm going to offer him $1500. He is moving real soon. I think he needs the money. I posted this in the other thread trying to figure out what heads it had. I can't find any casting numbers except AFR on the front in a small stamp. The only numbers I found were 2485 on the inside that were raised stamps. They are angled plug. What do you think
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What do you think
If he's recovering from a heart attack, go easy on him when making a low offer....
Seriously though, specs read race only, so what are your intentions for this engine?

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Make sure to ask him if it ran on gasoline or alky.

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Why would you want to low ball somebody just because they are moving and need money. And just had a heart attack?

Heads might be worth close to 1500. If I had it and you offered me that I would tell you to...

Well you know...

Would you want someone to treat you that way?

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Why would you want to low ball somebody just because they are moving and need money. And just had a heart attack?

Heads might be worth close to 1500. If I had it and you offered me that I would tell you to...

Well you know...

Would you want someone to treat you that way?
OK..Sorry I worded it that way. I understand how it sounded... I meant he sold the car and wasnt racing anymore because hes retireing, because he had a heart attack and is moving out of state soon to be with his some. I wouldn't take advantage because of the heart attack. Because hes moving and needs to get rid of it was my main reason for the low ball.

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1978-85 14016379 350 - - - car, truck
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Stud girdles because of the lift - 0.760"
Check to see, or ask, if rocker arms have been backed off preventing springs from losing pressure.
Ask for cam card, balance sheet.

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1978-85 14016379 350 - - - car, truck
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Stud girdles because of the lift - 0.760"
Check to see, or ask, if rocker arms have been backed off preventing springs from losing pressure.
Ask for cam card, balance sheet.
That's the only info I have. I looked at it today and made a final offer of $2100 and he declined. The heads are 220s for sure. Remember I would have to tear it down anyway to change the pistons. Most likely change the cam too. He has a brand new msd dist in a box too. Maybe if I offer $2500 with the dist hell go for it. Seemed pretty firm though.

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That's the only info I have. I looked at it today and made a final offer of $2100 and he declined. The heads are 220s for sure. Remember I would have to tear it down anyway to change the pistons. Most likely change the cam too. He has a brand new msd dist in a box too. Maybe if I offer $2500 with the dist hell go for it. Seemed pretty firm though.
Nope..$2500 and he'll think about it.

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Why do you have to replace the pistons? Keep in mind after cam
bearings " crazy if you dont replace during tear down " Machine shop labor, oilpump, pistons, gaskits,and what ever else you may need it will prob be a 4K deal.
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Why do you have to replace the pistons? Keep in mind after cam
bearings " crazy if you dont replace during tear down " Machine shop labor, oilpump, pistons, gaskits,and what ever else you may need it will prob be a 4K deal.
See sig...350 TWIN TURBO . 12.1 is a NO NO with forced induction. I was quoted 3K using JE blower pistons. Balancing, bearings tear down ect....complete

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That's the only info I have. I looked at it today and made a final offer of $2100 and he declined. The heads are 220s for sure. Remember I would have to tear it down anyway to change the pistons. Most likely change the cam too. He has a brand new msd dist in a box too. Maybe if I offer $2500 with the dist hell go for it. Seemed pretty firm though.
your going a long way to put it back on the street, that engine needs a race car! save yourself the headach and start with something more useable

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Unless it's a 13-1 or higher CR you can probably change the cam to something not as wild and yet bleeds off enough cyl pressure so that it can be driven on pump gas or a mix of race gas and pump gas.

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Twin turbo start from scratch. Why spend the money twice
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I know it's useless for me NOW. My plan is to break it down and use the heads, rocker arms, crank and rods. Heads alone would cost me $2000 at least. He had them ported with flow numbers, The crank rods are Crower (forged). Going to use them. Intake I could sell($100), Carb,Barry grant I could sell($150) Hamberger oil pan sell($100) He's throwing in a NEW MSD distributer Sell ($200). Block I could sell ($400) Electric waster pump Sell sell ($125) Valve covers sell($125)So far thats ($1050) . I got the motor for $2800 so - $1050 thats $1750 for 220 AFR worked heads, Roller rockers, Forged crank and rods. I'll have the crank and rods balanced and prepped. Maybe sell the heads for $1200 and buy new 195AFRs for $1500. A new Dart Block cost $1400. Any machine show wants at least that to prep the existing block anyway. So might as well buy a new block. I have a plan and in no rush...

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Sorry abou the question about the pistons,your "sig" says twin turbo, but that does not mean that is what you are going to do with the engine in question, not stated .That is why I askd. I wishyou luck on sellig all of the parts for he prices you listed. Four bolt 010 vrgen blocks are selling for $150.00 here in Virginia.
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