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post #16 of 36 (permalink) Old Nov 29th, 12, 09:32 AM
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You should have 12 v at the s wire if it is not connected to the starter. If it is connected it will be less. You may have a bad battery connection or ground connection from the battery or bad battery cables. Check the voltage with the starter S wire disconnected.
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post #17 of 36 (permalink) Old Nov 30th, 12, 09:07 AM Thread Starter
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I have tested the solenoid and starter myself out of the car and works everytime! so I wired the jump start button to the solenoid,and on the car it only works about 1 out of 10 times!! You think I need to shim the starter?

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it only works about 1 out of 10 times!!
What are the symptoms?

If solenoid is energized and starter drive is not engaged into ring gear to spin the engine over, shim only the outside bolt.
If solenoid engages and starter drive jams into the ring gear, then shim both bolts between the block and starter nose.
If solenoid does not energize with pressing of the new starter button, either the starter cannot handle the current drawn, usually 30 amps, or it is a defective switch - use a marine application.

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It is trying to engage,but not jamming into the ring gear, so by out side bolt you mean the one furthest from block?

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Yes, but first I ask, are you using the two knurled GM starter bolts? And they are straight? This is must as well as the front brace attached between the starter stud and a bolt to the side of the engine block. This will save the starter nose from breaking later in life and keep the starter motor in alignment. Yes, I've had to shim one starter adding 3/16 thick shim, 3/8 inch flat washers, on the outside bolt between the starter nose and block.

You're best method of troubleshooting is remove the starter, remove the solenoid - you may be able to remove the solenoid with the starter in place - remove the dust cover of the bellhousing, and manually engage the starter drive with your hand, and view the the drive engagement into the ring gear. A small paper clip spread open and insert the wire into the top of the drive pinion tooth and valley of the ring gear teeth, one pinion tooth engaged between two ring gear teeth, for the correct clearance - not tight or loose, a nice 'slide' of the wire into the junction. Set the shim thickness accordingly.

Reinstall solenoid and test. You don't want the drive pinion too close as to stay engaged after the engine starts or starter stays engaged - then remove battery clamp to stop re-evaluate and if engine does start, turn off ignition.

Or you may just be better by getting another starter motor and try it. If the new motor does work, transfer the starter nose to the next starter as the nose locates the drive to the ring gear.

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Other than the 8V, what doesn't the starter/solenoid not do, that you don't like? This is a normal problem. Poster says, "it doesn't work."

Does it just click?
Does the starter turn slowly?

Use lots of words and little slang so we all understand...

We aren't there and see nothing.
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post #22 of 36 (permalink) Old Nov 30th, 12, 10:42 PM Thread Starter
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The solenoid just clicks about 1 out of 10 times, then it catches,and starter turns fine!! When it engages starter turns fine,full speed! Going to pick up a new starter and solenoid tommorow and try that! Thanks for all the help from everyone!!!!

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This it how it sounds wants it starts!!

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Have a lot of better videos.butt to large for photobucket !

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It may not be as close in real life as it looks on video, but your fuel line is too close to the fan. I'd hate to see a nice car like yours go up in smoke.
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thats not going to happen!!!!

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Where in Houston are you at?

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Near the horsetrack,249 and beltway 8. Love to meet you and see your car!!

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Near the horsetrack,249 and beltway 8. Love to meet you and see your car!!
I live off louetta and 249. I wont be back in town till the 12th. If your still having problems I might be able to help you. I work offshore on a 14 / 14 schedule.

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Got it fixed finally !!! Changed starter and solenoid !

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