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post #16 of 21 (permalink) Old Feb 27th, 07, 01:17 AM Thread Starter
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Question Re: Help! Turbo 400 or Muncie 4-Speed???

Thanks for the reply everyone. As I said in another thread, I looked up some prices and most places sell either a new B&M or TCI Turbo 400 for about $1,000. Torque converter around $170 and Flexplate is around $75 or so.

I found a place out here in Southern Clali that sells rebuilt Muncie M21's for about $1,100.

So, With a centerforce clutch, Hurst shifter, Flywheel, and all the other micelanous 4-speed conversion items from classic industires, it will set me back about $900 more additional over the $1,100 muncie tranny price itself.

So im looking at about $1200-$1300 for a turbo 400 trans.
OR,
about $2000-$2100 for a muncie M21 with all parts.

*Both these prices dont include if I need to cut the driveshaft. If it is an orignal small block 2 speed powerglide car, does the drivesaft need to be re-sized?

Im Wondering if it will be the worth the extra amount in the long run to put in a 4-speed or the TH400.

I know you guys are much more experts than I am when it comes to Camaros...
I guess what im trying to say guys is, what would a 1968 camaro SS clone sell for FULLY restored with a 396 BB and either a:

$= 68 Camaro with 396 & Munice M21?
OR
$= 68 Camaro with 396 & Turbo 400?



Thanks guys for being patient with me and all my questions.

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post #17 of 21 (permalink) Old Feb 27th, 07, 10:16 AM
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Re: Help! Turbo 400 or Muncie 4-Speed???

Stick shift is the way to go for a weekend cruiser and future resale.
I just did this to my 68 and am very happy with it.
Drive shaft and cross member was a direct fit going from a PG to M20.
I spent less than a $1100 total, but that was because I had a couple great buys on ebay.
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post #18 of 21 (permalink) Old Feb 27th, 07, 10:27 AM
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Re: Help! Turbo 400 or Muncie 4-Speed???

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I guess what im trying to say guys is, what would a 1968 camaro SS clone sell for FULLY restored with a 396 BB and either a:

$= 68 Camaro with 396 & Munice M21?
OR
$= 68 Camaro with 396 & Turbo 400?



Thanks guys for being patient with me and all my questions.
NADA adds $1700 for 4 speed over automatic, but the reality is more people are looking for 4 speeds and there are less of them so it probably adds even more.
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post #19 of 21 (permalink) Old Feb 28th, 07, 09:00 PM
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I assume you know when you convert a 307 car to a BB car you'll need to change engine frame mounts, crossmember , heater core and cover, radiator and shroud, to name a few differences between the 2.

Do a search; there are a lot of differences between BB and SB Camaros.

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Re: Help! Turbo 400 or Muncie 4-Speed???

To me, the finest example of a car is still worth nothing if it has an automatic. I find no enjoyment whatsoever from a car that makes decisions for me. Re-sale is much higher for the original 4 spd cars. I can find first gen Camaros selling fairly cheap all day long, but finding a 4 spd car always seems to cost money and there are not many of them. Go with the stick!
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post #21 of 21 (permalink) Old Apr 6th, 07, 09:10 AM
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Re: Help! Turbo 400 or Muncie 4-Speed???

Can't beat a Muncie for fun factor and it will up the value. I converted my '68. It was a great decision. Good trannies are getting harder to find though.
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