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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old Jun 27th, 07, 03:02 PM Thread Starter
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Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

I'm drained. I'm trying to remove the brass bearing/bushing where the trans. goes into the flywheel. I read about different methods, and since I wasn't able to get my hands on a pilot bearing puller, I tried the "packing" method using grease and pounding an 11mm socket (fit the hole the best). Well, as I feared...not only did the bearing not move (as far as I could tell), but the socket is now jammed in there nice and tight. I had been pounding, packing grease, pounding, packing etc... and was able to get the socket out each time (had it attached to a 1/4" hand nut driver) ......until the it finally got stuck. Of course, the driver handle pulls right out, so I tried using a bolt, using the threads as a way to grab/pull the socket, but to no avail. I even tried packing more grease into it and using a wood dowel....but nothing.....

I'm pretty much a novice when it comes to something like this. I'm hoping you guys will laugh and tell me I'm not screwed ........and then tell me how I can get not only the socket, but the bushing out, as well. And now I'm guessing I couldn't use a bearing puller until I get the socket out?

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Re: Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

Those bushings are fairly brittle. Drill some holes in it and take a hammer and chisel to it. It will break-up pretty easy.
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post #3 of 40 (permalink) Old Jun 27th, 07, 03:28 PM
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Re: Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

well, that sucks

I guess I would try to grab the socket with a pair of vice grips and wiggle it loose so you can pull it out

and I am no good at getting pilot bushings out I wish you the best of luck
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Re: Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

If you can get the socket out, and you don't mind spending a little money, a tap that's slightly larger than the ID of the pilot bearing (IIRC a 5/8" tap) does a great job as a puller. Check the OD of the very end of the transmission input shaft to confrim the size of the tap.

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Re: Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

Also, if you can find a pipe easy out and bite it from the inside , it should bust or come out. Use a pipe wrench if you have to.

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Those bushings are fairly brittle. Drill some holes in it and take a hammer and chisel to it. It will break-up pretty easy.
I'm thinking that with the socket in the way (good 1/4" down past the end of the bearing) that your idea may not work, as the jammed socket would help keep the integrity of the bushing together.

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well, that sucks

I guess I would try to grab the socket with a pair of vice grips and wiggle it loose so you can pull it out
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If you can get the socket out, and you don't mind spending a little money, a tap that's slightly larger than the ID of the pilot bearing (IIRC a 5/8" tap) does a great job as a puller. Check the OD of the very end of the transmission input shaft to confrim the size of the tap.
Hmmm...this might be a good way to get both out. First the socket, and then try your idea with the bushing. I actually have a tap set (never really used, lol) and might have a tap big enough. Will have to go see.

Before I even attempted this I called "GM Jim" (since I'll be installing a TKO-600) and he suggested a $20 (S&H inc.) bearing puller from a company called Springer Tool, but I wasn't able to locate them via Google. Believe me, I would gladly have paid $20 in advance than trying a method I knew would be messy and a PIA. But I didn't want to pay the $$$ at a local parts store for a 1 time use tool, you know? And btw, in removing the old tran & clutch, I called to ask Jim about a couple of things ahead of time....and he is absolutely a fantastic guy. Great knowledge, patience, and manner. I'll be doing a short write-up in the Transmission forum after I get this thing completed, just for some others to get a novice's perspective of the level of difficulty.

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Also, if you can find a pipe easy out and bite it from the inside , it should bust or come out. Use a pipe wrench if you have to.
Not sure what one is. But also, could this work with a socket still jammed in it?

I should add....I'm showered and done for today, lol. I will attack the beast with any and all ideas tomorrow.

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Not sure what one is. But also, could this work with a socket still jammed in it?

I should add....I'm showered and done for today, lol. I will attack the beast with any and all ideas tomorrow.
No this easyout will not work on the socket but a good 18" pipe wrench with good jaws should bite socket if chrome is not heavy. Cant you tap socket side to side and jar out? 3/8" or 1/2 socket. You could also try dumping a can of freon , 134, on socket slow with a valve attached and maybe shrink socket enuff to get loose?

A pipe easy out is a square bladed thingy that comes if many sizes, you tap square end inside pipe and get a good bite on it, then turn CCW, if it gets loose, tap some more, don't give up, Winners find a way, losers find an excuse.

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No this easyout will not work on the socket but a good 18" pipe wrench with good jaws should bite socket if chrome is not heavy. Cant you tap socket side to side and jar out? 3/8" or 1/2 socket. You could also try dumping a can of freon , 134, on socket slow with a valve attached and maybe shrink socket enuff to get loose?

A pipe easy out is a square bladed thingy that comes if many sizes, you tap square end inside pipe and get a good bite on it, then turn CCW, if it gets loose, tap some more, don't give up, Winners find a way, losers find an excuse.
It's a 1/4" socket (brand new, too...but hey, it's a metric ). And heck yeah, I tried to "rock it" every which way, but the 11mm was nearly a perfect fit into the bushing, so there's really no play. And again, the socket is beyond being reachable with anything to grab the end.

And oh, I will find a way, by God! . I will try the tap set idea tomorrow. If I can get the socket out I'll feel relieved, and can worry about the bushing itself with other proven methods....including using a damn bearing puller!

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Re: Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

Talk about a hard place, might try what someone mentioned, drill some 1/8" hole on the outside edge, of the bushing, maybe you can relieve some pressure and the bushing will collaspe? You are gonna be there a while. get your rest. I got a bushing and socket in hand, thinking...............You musta drove that socket in , this is a tight fit, can you turn socket with 1/4" breakover with out breaking breakover? If no, Hello Drill

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Had the same problem with mine. Talked to a old timer at chevy garage, told me to get a 5/8 tap and tap out the pilot bushing. Then take a 4" 5/8 bolt screw it into bushing and it walk its way out. Worked out great.
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Had the same problem with mine. Talked to a old timer at chevy garage, told me to get a 5/8 tap and tap out the pilot bushing. Then take a 4" 5/8 bolt screw it into bushing and it walk its way out. Worked out great.

Yup, that's the part I forgot.

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Re: Pilot Bushing Stuck...and....

Sounds like the socket is #1 problem. Gotta go with zdld17 on the easy out. You're going to end up destroying the socket any way. Give that a try.

Might be a possibility to drill it out but the socket is probably hardned so you'd need a good bit. Make sure that bit is larger than socket.

I changed my pilot bearing out a few years ago and thought about the grease method but only for about a millisecond. I'm cheap but not that cheap. Sounded way to messy. I ended up renting the proper tool from a rental place. Places like Auto Zone might have loaners for free. Good luck.

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Some good ideas here, I've got one also. Wet some paper towels with water and stuff the pieces in the hole. Get a wood dowel or metal dowel or something close to the same size of the inside of the pilot bearing. Tap on the dowel little by little when it seems bottomed out add some more wet paper towels and tap again and continue for a few passes----you will see the pilot bearing making its way out! Hydraulics-----works everytime. Good luck!

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I always use a 5/8" coarse tap but you have the socket to figure out first.
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