67 Wheel Hop Fix???? - Team Camaro Tech
Camaro Tech General Tech Area
For best results use specific forums

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 11:29 AM Thread Starter
Senior Tech
Mark
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Decatur, AL
Posts: 180
67 Wheel Hop Fix????

How can I fix the wheel hop on my 67 RS/SS 396 car without installing a set of traction bars?
I have already installed new Multileaf springs.
1. I do not plan to hot rod the car, but if I do get on it every now and then I don't want the hop and break something.
2. The car is Stock, and the Lakewood bars look out of place.

Any sugestions?
Journey is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 12:56 PM
DjD
Retired
Dennis
 
DjD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 25,958
Garage
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Mark you put multi-leafs on a '67 so the car is not stock any more... The non-staggered shocks are the biggest part of that wheel hop. A lot of guys going to Hotchkis leaf springs on 67's report big improvements in controling wheel hop. Of course the Hotchkis springs also lower the rear some. You might find a helper spring that u-bolts to the upper side of the front half of your leaf spring might give you the same effect as a slapper bar and it wouldn't show like the slapper bar. If you can't find them a spring shop could fab you up something fairly easy...

...Dennis
www.camaroslimited.com

"Don't take life so serious, you won't get out alive..."
DjD is offline  
post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 02:36 PM
Senior Tech
Dana
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: mi
Posts: 226
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Try clamping the heck out of the front halves of the leaf springs.
RSCopo is offline  
post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 02:59 PM
Gold Lifetime Member
Art
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Greentown, PA
Posts: 348
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Better(stickier) tires will help too.

Artie

67 Camaro
99 T/A Daily Driver

Previous:
67 Camaro Traded for my 98
68 Camaro Street/Strip
98 Camaro Race car Best ET 9.08 @ 152 1.18 60'

Dyno sheets don't win races, see you at the track
SRGN is offline  
post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 04:37 PM
Senior Tech
Tom
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rochester Mn
Posts: 7,599
Smile Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Didn't I hear about adding half a leaf from the axle forward ?

69 Camaro -originally a LM1 car. 327, Edelbrock E-streets, hooker, DUI performance distributors, ultradyne cam, stewart, TRW etc. Vintage Air, AGR steering, Corbeau GTSII seats, 700R4 TPI transmission, 12-bolt w/Eaton 4.11:1
TJS69 is offline  
post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 04:45 PM Thread Starter
Senior Tech
Mark
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Decatur, AL
Posts: 180
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Adding a half a leaf?
Not sure what you mean.
The car in question is in the Classifieds, I just listed it for a short time.
The motor is stock, but if you do push it, the wheel hop is very appearant even in 3rd gear. I do have a set of 3.31's I am getting ready to install, im sure that will help.
Journey is offline  
post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 05:01 PM
Senior Tech
Steve
 
class67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NorCal
Posts: 794
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

I have the Hotchkis lowered leaf springs in my 67 and have absolutely no issues what so ever with wheel hop.

Steve
67 Camaro RS
class67 is offline  
post #8 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 05:32 PM
DjD
Retired
Dennis
 
DjD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 25,958
Garage
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Quote:
Originally Posted by Journey View Post
Adding a half a leaf?
Not sure what you mean.
The car in question is in the Classifieds, I just listed it for a short time.
The motor is stock, but if you do push it, the wheel hop is very appearant even in 3rd gear. I do have a set of 3.31's I am getting ready to install, im sure that will help.
Traction bars mount from the axle forward on the under side of the leaf spring and when called into action keep the forward half of the spring from wrapping up (makes it more ridged). Well you can do the same thing by adding a mini-leaf spring on top of the front half of the spring. The mini-leaf is (helper springs in the truck and towing world) is arched and you fasten it down on each end flattening out the arch and it keeps the cars leaf spring from wrapping up under power...

...Dennis
www.camaroslimited.com

"Don't take life so serious, you won't get out alive..."
DjD is offline  
post #9 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 05:41 PM
Team Member
Kevin
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mims Fl
Posts: 451
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Quote:
Originally Posted by DjD View Post
The non-staggered shocks are the biggest part of that wheel hop.
Not trying to hi-jack, but then why do I have bad wheel hop on my '69 with staggered shocks and stock style monoleaf springs?
kcart55 is offline  
post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 05:57 PM
Tech Team
Johbn
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: pa
Posts: 39
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

I have a 67, just installed a complete one piece floor with frame, new mono leaf springs and I don't get any hop out of it. I'm running 405 hp 440 ft lbs and a little bit wider then stock tire on it.
rusliding is offline  
post #11 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 06:17 PM
DjD
Retired
Dennis
 
DjD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 25,958
Garage
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Quote:
Originally Posted by kcart55 View Post
Not trying to hi-jack, but then why do I have bad wheel hop on my '69 with staggered shocks and stock style monoleaf springs?
You don't give enough info to really say but for starters old tired mono leaf springs and bad shocks will cause wheel hop. A combination of other things from too stiff of shocks to gear ratio, tire width and amount of power being put to the wheels...

You might laugh at this, I had a slot car when I was a kid. It had real tall skinny hard rubber rear tires and all it did was burnout and spin the tires. The guy in the back room at the slotcar track told me to come back when I had an extra $5 and he would fix me up. Mowed some lawns went to see him and he took my $5 and cut the tires off my slotcar wheels and used this machine and made me a soft orange spongy set of tires. Told me he'd give me a free hour of track time but I had to wait 24 hrs for the new tires to set up. When I went back for my free track time my slot car now did wheelies and flipped over backwards! (old school the brushes were mounted on a swing arm) The guy came over and showed me how to tie down the swing arm... Now the car took off great but the backend bounced all over the place. Not to bore you any more the tires were too tall and not wide enough so I bought new wheels and had shorter tires made for the wider wheels in order to dial the car in.

Long story but it shows how torque, wheel width and height and even tire compound can make a difference. In the 1st gen camaro world it's a fairly hard fast knowledge the non staggered shocks don't support the spring properly and cause wheel hop. In other years you have to look a bit deeper but it's usually a quicker fix tha a '67...

...Dennis
www.camaroslimited.com

"Don't take life so serious, you won't get out alive..."
DjD is offline  
post #12 of 12 (permalink) Old Sep 13th, 09, 06:34 PM
Team Member
Kevin
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mims Fl
Posts: 451
Re: 67 Wheel Hop Fix????

Here's some more info:
ZZ/4 355 hp with headers
M-21
10 bolt 3:55 posi
BF Goodrich T/A P235 60 R 15
New monoleaf springs
Monroe (I think) regular ole shocks (new)
kcart55 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Team Camaro Tech forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address.
NOTE we receive a lot of registrations with bad email addresses. IF you do not receive your confirmation email you will not be able to post. contact support and we will try and help.
Be sure you enter a valid email address and check your spam folder as well.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome