my english is bad, I´m just wondering about..... :confused:

I'm not really sure. lol

From Wikipedia:
Pro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro) and Touring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touring)

From Team Camaro:
Pro-Touring (http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91836)

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excellent, thanks DjD :thumbsup:

a "pro touring" car is what they feature in Hot Rod, Car Craft, and Chevy High Performance..
a "G machine" is a car that is featured in Popular Hot Rodding or Super Chevy..

Here is another definition of Pro-Touring, or at least an attempt to define it.
http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11764


http://www.pro-touring.com

a "pro touring" car is what they feature in Hot Rod, Car Craft, and Chevy High Performance..
a "G machine" is a car that is featured in Popular Hot Rodding or Super Chevy..

Also, dont' forget. In order to be a true Pro-Touring car, your car must have a "name" and a 3D rendering done by Kris Horton.:)

i thought Kris only drew "G Machines" for PHR...

Also, dont' forget. In order to be a true Pro-Touring car, your car must have a "name" and a 3D rendering done by Kris Horton.:)

Yes, the "help me name my car" threads on the Pro-Touring and Lateral-G sites drive me crazy. I responded to one that I named my light blue '68 the "Light Blue '68," I named my dark blue '68 the "Dark Blue '68" and my '67 the "'67." The naming guys didn't see the humor in that. :D

I agree, Mike. I can only see a name for a car if it's going to be marketed.

It's not a pro-touring thing, people have been naming their cars from the beginning of automotive time. Having to ask for suggestions just shows a lack of imagination or an insecurity in the car owner (name has to be cool with peers). If you give a car a name it needs to mean something to you relating to the car and it's personality or something that happened involving the car.

a protouring car is basically a hotrod. A car that has been lowered, has 20" billet or 3 piece wheels, preferably which ever is more expensive, has smoothed body and the latest parts including fuel injection, turbo chargers, and baer brakes are mandatory preferably the biggest ones you can get. A custom interior is nice and it must have at least some new suspension pieces, doesn't really matter if they work good, but they need to be new and tig welded, and probably have polished billet coilovers.

One must talk about going to the mystical place called "the track" you must always mention that when thinking or talking about the car in question. However it is not required to actually go, but when building it, always ask yourself if whatever part you are going to buy will make it look more "racey". If you want to see the top protouring cars, going to the "SEMA" show IS mandatory, these are the finest examples of "protouring" cars. Mostly ex-hot rod builders that put 100,000K plus into the cars to create on off special machines that are kept stowed away or sold on ebay.

Bitter much?

One must talk about going to the mystical place called "the track" you must always mention that when thinking or talking about the car in question.

That is so true!! Lapping your car will change the way you think about the hobby and how you build your car. Very rarely to people actually do it!

Pro Touring is at the same place today that Pro Street was in the late 80's...
how many "Pro Street" cars did you see knocking off the 8 second 1/4 mile times they were made to look like they ran back then?
how many Pro Touring cars do you see knocking off the record-breaking lap times at the road course today?
i bet the percentages are about the same..
now, that's not to say that there aren't some "pro touring" style cars that get driven regularly and get driven hard.. but i'd bet the posers far outnumber the real cars.

Bitter much?

Yeah, just a bit. :D Thing is he's a young guy with a bitchin' car, but just can't get over high dollar builds.

Jody

Pro Touring is at the same place today that Pro Street was in the late 80's...
how many "Pro Street" cars did you see knocking off the 8 second 1/4 mile times they were made to look like they ran back then?
how many Pro Touring cars do you see knocking off the record-breaking lap times at the road course today?
i bet the percentages are about the same..
now, that's not to say that there aren't some "pro touring" style cars that get driven regularly and get driven hard.. but i'd bet the posers far outnumber the real cars.
Sadly this is so true. It is what it is, but I have been into PT cars before I even heard of this name, the first picture on my website was from 7 years ago. I have watched the whole thing evolve, the one good thing is that there are so many parts available now. So if you just do your own thing and don't care about trends and other people it is a good thing. It just seems like everyone is so competitive about what they have, not how they use it

Yeah, just a bit. :D Thing is he's a young guy with a bitchin' car, but just can't get over high dollar builds.

Jody
Its not the cars brother....not the cars lol

a protouring car is basically a hotrod. A car that has been lowered, has 20" billet or 3 piece wheels, preferably which ever is more expensive, has smoothed body and the latest parts including fuel injection, turbo chargers, and baer brakes are mandatory preferably the biggest ones you can get. A custom interior is nice and it must have at least some new suspension pieces, doesn't really matter if they work good, but they need to be new and tig welded, and probably have polished billet coilovers.

One must talk about going to the mystical place called "the track" you must always mention that when thinking or talking about the car in question. However it is not required to actually go, but when building it, always ask yourself if whatever part you are going to buy will make it look more "racey". If you want to see the top protouring cars, going to the "SEMA" show IS mandatory, these are the finest examples of "protouring" cars. Mostly ex-hot rod builders that put 100,000K plus into the cars to create on off special machines that are kept stowed away or sold on ebay.


My sentiments EXACTLY! :D The only thing you forgot is the all important "dyno sheet", mandatory on the show display board of all cars, so you have a response for people that ask how fast it is....;)
I'm sure there are guys that actually use thier so called pro tour cars, but then IMO they are just hot rods then, pro tour or g machine is just a catch word for shows and magazines.
I agree with novaderrik, it is like the pro street craze of the 80's, which was a bunch of fancy tubbed crap that cant run 13's (nor have even tried).
We race in pro street classes today, and what they are damn sure isn't what so called "pro street" was then, I think the same thing applies to "pro tour" cars, some are used and look it, others are custom built show queens that will make the team camaro year 2020 "look at this ebay car, bwahaha" posts.
just MHO of course...:beers:

My sentiments EXACTLY! :D The only thing you forgot is the all important "dyno sheet", mandatory on the show display board of all cars, so you have a response for people that ask how fast it is....;)
I'm sure there are guys that actually use thier so called pro tour cars, but then IMO they are just hot rods then, pro tour or g machine is just a catch word for shows and magazines.
I agree with novaderrik, it is like the pro street craze of the 80's, which was a bunch of fancy tubbed crap that cant run 13's (nor have even tried).
We race in pro street classes today, and what they are damn sure isn't what so called "pro street" was then, I think the same thing applies to "pro tour" cars, some are used and look it, others are custom built show queens that will make the team camaro year 2020 "look at this ebay car, bwahaha" posts.
just MHO of course...:beers:

I could be wrong, but what it sounds like is that you have pretty much only experienced the PT posers. There aren't a lot of people who really understand what its about, really though they're just cars and it really only matters what you do, not others. But still for some reason when it comes to cars people just are very judgemental(including myself)

It takes all kinds.
I'm happy that at least some of the PT crowd have actually discovered autocross and open tracking their cars and they are having fun with them. They might be closer to the "G Machine" catagory.

Some either can't or shouldn't be driving that fast anyway, and perhaps just the look of PT is enough many who won't ever be on a race track.

The ones that scare me are the ones building twin turbo 1200hp street cars that are planning on tearing up the streets. I hope they don't crash and burn.

David

No, I know guys that really use PT type cars, I just see a lot more posers. Same thing happens with drag racing too, which is what I mostly do. But at the drag strip posers are quickly sorted out, if you know what I mean, same as at any track setting. I just personally (and yes I'm very opinionated too) will not be sad when we stop seeing old cars with 20" and larger wheels on them, they look like damn clown cars to me, or a carricature of themselves at very least. I understand large wheels on cars, but if they are there for a purpose not a "look", just like fat tires and tubs and rollcages in a show car, I don't like them.
Of course it's not as though it makes me mad, I just personally don't like them, thats all. I figure people should do exactly what they want with thier cars, but that doesn't mean I'll like it ;) . I'm sure lots of guys don't like my cars' old school ralleys either, but I'm ok with that too.
As always, to each thier own. :beers:

It takes all kinds.


Werd.

It just seems that as soon as big money gets involved, suddenly you start seeing people spending just to hop on the latest trend, and then hop off as soon as it gets "old" to them. Call it what you want to, but I just don't relate to people who aren't down to earth and do at least some of their own work on their car. I've always been a car guy, I enjoy talking cars, drinking beer, sharing specs, but most of all I LOVE to drive, that is what does it for me is actually driving, I love HP and speed and cornering, I love the way it feels accelerating out of a turn, I guess some people get this same feeling by waxing their car and polishing their billet and taking a cruise around town, but thats just me.

I have to agree with the above that "pro-touring" (coined by Jeff Smith at CHP wasn't it?) is just an over arching theme that cars are built by -- updated drivetrains, creature comforts and a focus on actual performance. PT came almost as an answer or an evolution from the PS theme and fad. Truth be told, PS cars were awesome when the burst on the scene in the late 70's, but people get tired of the furthest reaches of fads.

Honestly, I love PT and would build one if I had the money, but I'm sticking with resto-custom, which is just a redefinition of the old school street machine. I can't compete on the big money level, so I'll have a timeless looking car with shiny wheels to take to the burger joint for a cruise in with my kids -- that's primarily what the hobby is about for me. People get into the hobby for different reasons; some race, some just build and some like the combination of the cars and the social structure they provide.

This conversation is as age old as the hobby. One upsmanship and the desire to keep up with the other guy are givens that all of us have to deal with.

are "pro touring" cars allowed to have only a 4 speed manual trans? or is at least 1 overdrvie gear required?
how about a carburetor and a complete lack of forced induction? seats out of a Japanese car in the junkyard? junkyard wheels? rear drum brakes? faded paint?
i'm still trying to figure out if my Nova was a "pro touring" car- or just a "rat touring" car.
or just a fun driver...

yes