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ctrghtous Mar 6th, 07, 02:33 PM I posted last week in the engine section to no avail, hopefully I will get more response here!
Last wednesday I dropped my new motor into the '68 and the oil pan, a circle track extra capacity with trap doors and such, sat on the steering linkage (drag link I think).
this motor is built to spin up to about 7500 rpm. from what i have read after about 6k rpm you need more oil capacity. does anyone have any suggestions for a new extra capacity pan. I would certainly like to get one for less than the $2-300 I see most of them in the Summit catalog for. I really don't know which one to get, that will fit. please help!
DenRS Mar 6th, 07, 04:25 PM I just bought this one. I'm going to install it in my 69 this summer.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20190&N=700+4294908216+115&autoview=sku
Could also try this one
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20191&N=700+4294908216+400105+4294925082+115&autoview=sku
Steve69SS396 Mar 6th, 07, 04:32 PM I just bought this one. I'm going to install it in my 69 this summer.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20190&N=700+4294908216+115&autoview=sku
Could also try this one
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20191&N=700+4294908216+400105+4294925082+115&autoview=sku
I've been running the Moroso 20191 and it works great. It has a crank scraper and windage screen built in. It's the second one listed above.
Edit - Just noticed that Summit notes the max stroke for both pans is 3.48" and you are building a 385. Take a look at Moroso 20196, it will clear up to 4.25" stroke. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20196&N=700+115&autoview=sku
spideynut Mar 6th, 07, 05:23 PM Does that 3.48" stroke come into play on my 400sb? Im fairly green on terms of the inside of the great almighty sb.
CarlC Mar 6th, 07, 07:08 PM CV Products 1080LTRR. There's pics on my site. Eric also has the same pan.
MickyT Mar 6th, 07, 11:53 PM Ohoh I got a 20191 for our 406. Hopefully it works.
spideynut Mar 7th, 07, 01:47 AM I just looked up the stroke on a 400 its 3.75". For some reason I dont think a 20191 pan is going to work?
jcdubs Mar 7th, 07, 05:32 AM I am using this B&B pan, Don't know how it fits in the car yet but looks very nice:http://www.stefs.com/bandb/products/productpages/oilpansdragrace.htm
mgt999 Mar 7th, 07, 08:29 AM I just looked up the stroke on a 400 its 3.75". For some reason I dont think a 20191 pan is going to work?
The 20191 works great on my 406. No clearance issues. If you go to Moroso's site, they say it's good on 3.75" stroke.
MickyT Mar 7th, 07, 12:08 PM I knew the 20190 pan which is the same pan without the tray and scrapers fit a 400 as Sean (68rs406) has one on his engine. He thought the 20191 should work so its great to hear that it works for mgt99. Regular pan gasket or the slightly thicker one piece on your engine mgt99?
davidpozzi Mar 7th, 07, 01:01 PM I don't know what you will do with your Camaro but, for those who will autocross or open track their cars, please consider restricting the oil flow to the rockers if you use roller rockers. Oil tends to collect in the valve covers and this get's worse if there is any extra oil flow, like hydraulic lifters.
I don't know what restricting oil to hydraulic lifters would do, probably not a good idea, but for solid lifter engines, it's a good way of keeping more oil in the pan. I used the old style GM "edge orifice" type solid lifters 5231585 with good results. They reduce total oil flow by 10% - 20%, and I had stock type rocker arms. These lifters have no snap ring and no "piddle valve" according to the GM power manual.
The other type of restrictor threads into the oil galley in the rear of the block. I use those in my Lola vintage racer.
David
ctrghtous Mar 7th, 07, 09:48 PM I have two more questions on this:
1. are both the CV and Moroso pans 7 qt pan 8 qt pan and filter capacity?
2. does anyone have a link for more info on the oil restrictor, I am running a solid cam?
ctrghtous Mar 9th, 07, 01:19 PM does anyone know the capacity of either pain with or without the filter?
HarleyD67 Mar 9th, 07, 02:02 PM The 20191 works with 383's no problem. It is made to clear 3.75" stroke and is a great pan. I ran one for years. As far as the 20196 goes that is way too much pan for your application. I run that on my 427 with 4.0" stroke and still have plenty of room to spare. Truth is I wish I could still run the 20191 with it's wind screen and side scraper.:(
HarleyD67 Mar 9th, 07, 02:05 PM does anyone know the capacity of either pain with or without the filter?
@7-7.5 quarts with spin on filter
I run an external filter and cooler on the 427 so I have 8-9 quarts in the system now.
JcGc Mar 11th, 07, 02:55 PM moved to engine thread
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