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BPOS
Mar 6th, 07, 06:08 PM
I'm an admitted dork when it comes to tire sizing. I ordered new wheels for my 69 based on what everybody says fits - 17 x 8 with 4.75 BS for the front and 17 x 9.5 with 5.5 BS for the rear. Where I'm confused is tire size. The fronts seem to be pretty standard - 235/45-17. It's the rears where I'm confused. Some run a 275/40-17 and others run a 255/45-17. What's the difference in the sizes and which is most likely to clear without rubbing?

Also - my current tires are 235/60-14. Which of the above mentioned rears come closest in height? I'm concerned about my speedometer being off. It's pretty accurate with the 235/60-14's. Thanks!!

JV69z/28rs
Mar 6th, 07, 06:26 PM
The 275s fit but they are very tight. If you want NO rubbing go with the 255s. DJD uses 255s because he wanted no rubbing and he does at times load the back of his car down. You may also get some rubbing with the 275s when you go over curb cuts. The most important thing to keep in mind is these cars are not all the same. 40 years in some cases has taken it's toll. I think the 255 stretches out nice on a 9.5 wheel maybe someone can post some close ups of a 255 and a 275 mounted on a 9.5 wheel.

mnm99
Mar 6th, 07, 06:26 PM
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp

JV69z/28rs
Mar 6th, 07, 06:30 PM
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp
Thanks - you beat me! LOL This is very helpfull in answering any tire size questions.

Mark .L.W.
Mar 6th, 07, 06:39 PM
Hi Al i have the 275/40-17 rear and the 235/45-17 front . I run the nitto 555 all the way around and really like them , the rears don't last very well i can't figure that out .
Mark.

rojo
Mar 6th, 07, 06:47 PM
I think Mark would need a 475..... to hook up. :)

The 255 is a safe bet on a '69 and that's what I run. BFG's

JimM
Mar 6th, 07, 08:16 PM
Al, the sizes you mentioned would be very close in HT, with the 275 being just over an inch wider.

255 is a lot of tire for a 9.5" rim, I'd try the 275. They seem to fit pretty well on almost all 69's from what I read here.

Going over the edge, huh? 'bout time, you'll like it.

mnm99
Mar 7th, 07, 07:04 AM
A 275 tire on a 9.5 rim is only 1/4" wider than a 255 tire on a 8 inch rim. Just a thought.

BPOS
Mar 7th, 07, 08:54 AM
Thanks, guys. For those of you running the 275 on a 9.5 rim on a 69 - any rubbing? I've already used a body saw and hacked away the outer wheel houses so they are exactly flush with the quarter panel lip. At the top of the wheel well, I have exactly 12" from the inner wheel house to the quarter lip and I'd rather not do any more cutting in there.

Jim - over the edge indeed! It would be tough fitting the new brakes inside my 14" rallys. I've already found a buyer for my wheels and tires, as well as for my factory front discs, and it will offset the cost considerably. I really like the look of the rally wheels on these old cars, and I'm sure I will miss them. The billet rallys are godawful expensive and out of the question for me.

But onward and upward, as they say:)

mnm99
Mar 7th, 07, 09:02 AM
12" should be enough. I'm in the process of rolling my lips and I'm getting 12" also when I'm done. The 275 tire measures 11" total.

Total rim width of a 9.5" rim is really 10.5" with a 275 tire the bulge comes out to be 1/4" SO a 10.5" rim with 1/4" bulge on each side = 11" total

If you measure the correct backspace from the inner well, at least 1/2" that will leave you 1/2" to the outer lip. Should be fine.

trex70
Mar 7th, 07, 04:46 PM
I run a 275 on the rear and had a little rub at first, but a shimmed that tire out 1/4" and where it was hitting on the inner fender I just bent that in about 1/2", can't tell, no rub, also, it has been lowered one inch.

BPOS
Mar 7th, 07, 07:31 PM
oops - quoted wrong guy. Does this count in post total? Coooool.

BPOS
Mar 7th, 07, 07:32 PM
A 275 tire on a 9.5 rim is only 1/4" wider than a 255 tire on a 8 inch rim. Just a thought.


Thanks - but how much wider is a 275 tire on a 9.5 compared to a 255 on a 9.5?

mnm99
Mar 8th, 07, 03:46 AM
Thanks - but how much wider is a 275 tire on a 9.5 compared to a 255 on a 9.5?

Around 1 inch. I wouldn't put a 255 tire on a 9.5 inch rim though. A 255 tire measures 10.1" a 275 tire is 11" and the rim measures 10.5 inches. It would look funny with the tire being sucked in on the rim. Thats why the 8" rim makes only 1/4 difference, because of the bulge.

rojo
Mar 8th, 07, 08:00 AM
Mine don't look funny, at least not to me.

mnm99
Mar 8th, 07, 10:59 AM
Mine don't look funny, at least not to me.

Isn't your rim wider than your tire?

rojo
Mar 8th, 07, 04:57 PM
I looked when I got home and you're right if you're talking about the tread width. However, in my opinion it doesn't look funny, it just has the low profile look to me. I looked at my other vehicles and some appear to have tread width smaller than the rim and others appear larger (lots of wheels in my driveway). I will agree that a 275 might look best and I'm all in for the wider is better in this case. I'll also say that it looks like the 275 should fit just eyeballing it allowing about 1/2" on either side as compared to the 255. Besides that others are running them now. I might even give them a try next time around. It's just my opinion that there's nothing wrong with the 255 either. :)

Edit: I'd go with 275's on my '67 without concern when I get the chance.

mnm99
Mar 8th, 07, 05:58 PM
OK...Thats why we have out own opinions..:thumbsup: Like I always say It's your car , you make it how you like. I have a thread going now with 4 types of wheels and it happens that the lowest rated wheel is the one I like the best.:p I may get the one I like. IT's MY CAR.:beers:

rojo
Mar 8th, 07, 07:13 PM
I like all the choices in your poll. I wish my budget would allow to have various sets of wheel tire combos to change out from weekend to weekend. I'll bet I'm not the only one with that idea. It is amazing how much wheels and tires change a car. :thumbsup:

JV69z/28rs
Mar 8th, 07, 07:37 PM
Just as a point of information (and no other reason) according to the Tire Rack (using Sumitomo HTR Z II as an example) the rim width range of a 255/45-17 is 8 - 9.5 the section width is 10.3 on an 8.5 wheel (on a 9.5 wheel it's 10.7 (.2 for every 1/2" of wheel width) and the tread width is 9.1. The 275/40-17 is 9 -11 the section width is 11.1 on the 9.5 wheel and the tread width is 9.9. The point being the tires would appear very similar in size because of the wheel width. The choise is yours you can play it safe and go with the very slightly smaller appearing tire or take a chance and maybe have to make accomodations for the 275. The best bet would be to try and borrow a 275 on a 9.5 from someone and try it. That may not be possible but maybe someone has the wheel fitment tool or a 275-15 that you can use to judge from. Good Luck with whatever you choose.

JV69z/28rs
Mar 8th, 07, 07:44 PM
Take a look at DJD's White Wonder http://www.novas.net/showroom/data/500/medium/wht_69_rag.jpg that has 255/45-17s on 9.5s in the rear. It looks fine no? Maybe he will come along and post a close up if he has one.

BPOS
Mar 9th, 07, 01:53 PM
I did some measuring. My wheels arrived yesterday, so I stuck them on the car w/o tires mounted. I measured the clearances to the inner fender and outer lip on both sides. My rear end seems to be shifted ever so slightly to the passenger side. I have 1/4" more clearance from the rim to inner wheel well on the passenger side, so it's off by about 1/8". (not bad, since it was me who put the quarter panels on without giving a thought to someday putting big wheels and tires on it)

My wife's car has 255/40-17's and we have a tire in the basement for it with a nail hole in the side wall. My plan is to have it mounted to one of my rims, and hopefully the local tire shop has a crappy old 275/40-17 they can mount on the other. I'll stick 'em on the car and see what gives. If there's room, I'll definitely go with the 275's - if not, then the 255's.

Thanks for all the help and replies!

rojo
Mar 9th, 07, 01:59 PM
Good idea. Which wheels did you get? I had to put longer studs in the rear using the TTII's. Not sure if that applies to alot of the other wheels or not but there's been plenty of other guys that have had to do the same.

BPOS
Mar 9th, 07, 02:03 PM
I got CL205's, which I think are TTII's but with painted centers. Do you remember how much longer on the wheel studs? I 'm putting on rear discs at the same time, which adds just a touch more. Thanks.

rojo
Mar 9th, 07, 02:25 PM
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69372&highlight=stud

BPOS
Mar 9th, 07, 02:28 PM
Thanks Robert - had a trip to NAPA planned today anyway.

RJBaileyrn
Mar 10th, 07, 11:08 AM
Mark
I just looked at your pictures on your link. I thought my car looked decent, but yours is over the top for sure. Amazing.
rj