It now has a 350 with an auto,are 67 non original L78 car's worth this kind of money?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1967-Chevy-Camaro-RS-SS-Very-RARE-Big-Block-VIN_W0QQitemZ160099380853QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

No

Its only 256 cars away from mine, and I got mine from Mass. too, Maybe another road trip (hehehe).

only if you think they are. my thoughts are that the car is worth no where near that money.

I have just learned that you can tell an original 375 car from the vin number:hurray: :hurray: until cowl tag pics are posted who knows what the car really is.

1,138 is not less than 100 is it?

NO:noway:

Ken, the VIN only indicates v-8 not what engine or horsepower... :)

Damned thats alot!

At the starting bid price, yes. Buy it now, absolutely not. This guy is dreaming. He will be darn lucky to get $20K unless by some miracle the original motor surfaces.

Recently a very rusty 68 SS/RS 396 rag sold for $25K with all original parts and GM Canada documentation.

60K??? If it's "Never seen snow" then where is the rust from? Meanwhile it is becoming one with the mud it's parked on. And it has an open title at best. Hope he gets back from the flea market soon to post more pictures.

60K??? If it's "Never seen snow" then where is the rust from? Meanwhile it is becoming one with the mud it's parked on. And it has an open title at best. Hope he gets back from the flea market soon to post more pictures.

Cars don't "see," they are inanimate objects. :)

Ken, the VIN only indicates v-8 not what engine or horsepower... :) Uuuuhhh I was being a smartazz:D

Says it's auto also, so that couldn't be for an L-78 but remember..."It's Original"!

With a car like this, sinking into the ground in front of a shack like this, how many times do you think someone has stopped to see if they wanted to sell it?
http://i7.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/94/62/f413_1.JPG
After a while they start to think they have gold when in reality someone is just looking for a bargain.

Says it's auto also, so that couldn't be for an L-78 but remember..."It's Original"!

T400 auto could be ordered w/the L78 engine.

T400 auto could be ordered w/the L78 engine.
Not on my power team chart.
Only special 3 speed full synchro or 4 speed close ratio

Whops. Missed the '67 part.:clonk:

The seller did say 4 speed originally. The 350/T300 is a transplant.

Tags up now:

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
7 = 1967 model year
N = Norwood, OH assembly plant
232284 = vehicle serial number sequence

Decode for body number: 132330

06B = Built the Second week of June.
67-12437 = Standard Interior Coupe.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
739 = Standard Blue Bench Seats.
H = (AL4) Strato Back (bench Seat).
F-F = Car Color is Marina Blue
B = Interior paint is Blue
Options:
1W = (A02) Tinted W/S only
2L = (M21) 4-speed floor shifter
2R = (U80) Speaker rear
3L = (Z22) Rally Sport Package
4K = (L78) SS 396

Something weird here, the car has a small block heater cover, front bucket seats, a console and an automatic transmission.

The VIN and the tag go together, now the question is do they go on this car?

Someone should flag this listing on eBay. They post a picture of the car w/snow right in front of it. Maybe the car is blind and can't see the snow. If this is the case, I apologize in advance, otherwise, I'm crying foul.

Plus, I doubt he pushed that car out to the snow and buried the front wheels in the mud to get better pics.

Some one either swapped the tags or changed a lot of parts. I like this line from the ad "one of the previous owners who put in the 350 changed the body tags accordingly". It looks like it has been sitting in the dirt for a long time,the sub frame has to be rotted.

He says the tags have been changed but the car is a original big block because of the 4K and that is what makes it worth alot? Does he read what he types?

That is so funny. I was surfing ebay looking at Camaros like i often do and came across this auction. After looking at the car, reading his description, and seeing the buy it now price i said to myself.. this guy is off his rocker. I decided i had to start a thread on this car here. When i got here and saw the title of this thread i immediately knew it had to be this auction..sure enough. Crazy is right!

Why is this car a suppos-ed factory BBC, when someone went thru the trouble of installing a SBC heater core? from the looks of it, a VERY long time ago? The tag is a '4k' but SO MUCH of this car is SCREAMING SBC....Wow...

sad to see any such camaro sinking into the ground,what a shame.
60k seems way too steep for that car, it does however appear to be in better condition that the house in the background. hopefully the guy will sell it for a fair price and somebody can begin the ressurection.

Of course it can't see the snow - it's eyes are closed (good thing it has RS headlights)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k267/gregorykicks2/th_4681_1.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k267/gregorykicks2/4681_1.jpg)

Well, the good news is my Z is now worth at least $200k or more. :clonk:
How come the price of everything seems to be sky high when you're buying and not worth as much when you're selling? :sad:

But maybe that car COULD be an all original Z you just have to change the tag again! Thats all you need to make it all original:thumbsup:

I wonder what the vin is under the heater box ?

I think this is more of a case of a poor man's lottery ticket than crazy. After reading all of the ramblings of the poster, I believe when he wrote "changed tags" to mean they changed the emblems from 396 to 350. No body has chimed in on the trim tag or the mounting of the trim tag.

The radiator looks like a rather large 4 core for what it is worth. Heater core doesnt make sense but what if this is the original radiator? Any thoughts on the alternator pulley?

Finally, I am not the Phil that is helping this guy out. Just wanted to make that clear! Phil

No thoughts on anything in the engine compartment since its a post 68 engine. Alternator is on the drivers side on a 68. VIN and trim tag go together just fine, the question is do they go on this body, or has every big block part (except maybe the radiator) been stripped off of it, and all small block stuff put back in. The car is only about 15 miles from my house, but i have no real interest in going over to check it out.

The car is only about 15 miles from my house, but i have no real interest in going over to check it out.

Come on Mark, we're dying to know what you think of it if you see it in person. You could be a hero for this post. But seriously, I am curious to see what someone would think if they saw it, that knows what they're looking at.
:hurray:

never seen snow?
look at picture with car parked in front of snow:yes:

i thought they said it has never seen snow. i thought i saw snow in one of the picturess

I asked about the rear diff, traction bar, and floor support.
He replied he is unable to answer the questions and will not look under the rear seat.
I would think one quick look at those things would confirm or deny credability.

No thoughts on anything in the engine compartment since its a post 68 engine. Alternator is on the drivers side on a 68

The year of the replacement SB has no bearing on what this Camaro might have been. All brackets and pulleys are not interchangable from BB to SB. The alternator is interchangable. The best way to do this type of conversion is to buy a complete motor (regardless of year) with pulleys and brackets attached. I know everyone knows this, I am just making a point.

I bet we all know someone who bought a car or cars and swapped out all the primo parts for their car or sell off parts out right and then slap the vehicle back together with their unwanted parts so they can resell that too. This car also has stock SB exhaust manifolds which nobody said anything about besides the buckets, console, small block heater core & auto shifter which is weird. The trim tag looks like it is real and the numbers match up so this could have happened. Hell, the L78 is a high performance goody shop!

The 60 K makes this one an easy choice not to pursue but I can not see how some have concluded this car is a fake and to stay away at all costs. Im sure the story behind the car is very interesting but still not cemented.

There are cars that have been flagged on this site as fake and I think there is a responsibility to be very very accurate before putting a Camaro in this catagory.

I think it could very well be the real deal and the things have been changed like he says.I still dont think it is worth 60k without the original parts to put it back.

I never speculated whether it was fake or real..just that either way 60k is crazy.

what would you say this car is worth , say you just found it . And where would you price it at ? This could be interesting .
If i went to see the car and felt it was the real deal with out it's original parts i'd say about 15,000 to 20,000 but it would have to be real solid with very little to No rust .

check out the 67 L-78 that sold on cars-on-line. they were asking $44,000 for it as it is minus the original motor. Much nicer car and may be able to compare the two if one, both, or neither are real.

I can't post the link but it is about 23 cars down from the top of Camaros.

check out the 67 L-78 that sold on cars-on-line. they were asking $44,000 for it as it is minus the original motor. Much nicer car and may be able to compare the two if one, both, or neither are real.

I can't post the link but it is about 23 cars down from the top of Camaros.

link:http://cars-on-line.com/28866.html

If that car is legit (cars online one) I think it was a bargain at 44K

yeah i'd say , thats why it's sold , : )

If that car is legit (cars online one) I think it was a bargain at 44K

I'm not trying to be smart, but why? If it doesn't have it's original engine, what makes it better? Having a 12 bolt or m20? My Z doesn't have the original engine but has a lot of the original and rare parts and I don't think it's worth that. Maybe it is, I didn't think so though. I'm just looking for some education on this. I thought what really made the bucks was "born with" matching stuff.

Camaro lovers are not able to find cars lying around like the had in the past. These cars are in high demand and people are scamming the pants off of people to make SS's and Z28's available. Check out those nice bright white SS emblems on the grill that is so nice and black without age. Hell anyone can make anything they want by spending some time and some money.

Shiny new emblems do not a clone make. Often times a new emblem is the only way to go when doing a frame-off restoration. It sometimes is very surprising how many new emblems are still available from Chevy.

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57 Chevy HT (A/C , PW, PS, PB, PSeat)
57 Chevy B/A 4-door Sedan (PS)
63 Studebaker Avanti (Supercharged)
(2) 65 Corvette roadsters
68 Camaro Convertible (SS 396, 4-sp, A/C)
69 Pace Car (350, PT, PW, Tilt)
69 Pace Car (396)
69 SS/RS (Yellow/ yellow houndstooth, A/C, LA car)
(2) 69 Z28's
69 Coupe (6 cyl A/C)
69 Convertible (6 cyl)
69 Convertible (Hugger Orange, originally Green custom interior, PW, 396)
69 SS coupe
(2) 69 Standard coupes
70 Z28
70 SS
70 Chevelle Coupe (LS-6)
73 Trans Am SD-455

So why on a car that is falling into the ground would someone put new SS emblems on it? Restoration is one thing, cloning is one thing...there are lots of things going on in the Camaro world....

I'm not trying to be smart, but why? If it doesn't have it's original engine, what makes it better? Having a 12 bolt or m20? My Z doesn't have the original engine but has a lot of the original and rare parts and I don't think it's worth that. Maybe it is, I didn't think so though. I'm just looking for some education on this. I thought what really made the bucks was "born with" matching stuff.

If your Z is not worth that much it is only because '68's don't bring quite as much. When my Z is finished I believe it will be worth $45K. All it takes is one person to agree to what the value is. I have read that properly date matched Z/28's are around $60K and very originals are pushing $100K. I don't think ebay is a fair measure. I think more high dollar cars are sold privately:beers:

I'm not trying to be smart, but why? If it doesn't have it's original engine, what makes it better? Having a 12 bolt or m20? My Z doesn't have the original engine but has a lot of the original and rare parts and I don't think it's worth that. Maybe it is, I didn't think so though. I'm just looking for some education on this. I thought what really made the bucks was "born with" matching stuff.
UH OH here we go with the born with debate. I said it was a good deal simply because you can't take the car currently on E-bay and make it look like the other car for anywhere near the 44K figure. Matching engine or not. IMO there is so much restamping and fake tag stuff going on today that if a legit car was thrown in front of me I'd be scared to buy because of all the fraud in this hobby:(

If your Z is not worth that much it is only because '68's don't bring quite as much. When my Z is finished I believe it will be worth $45K. All it takes is one person to agree to what the value is. I have read that properly date matched Z/28's are around $60K and very originals are pushing $100K. I don't think ebay is a fair measure. I think more high dollar cars are sold privately:beers:

With nearly three times as many 69Z's produced than 68Z's, the descrepency in price defies logic. Not saying there isn't a big difference in value, but to me, it makes no sense. Mike. :beers: :beers:

I concure with the fraud and scamming. And the logic of the 69's being worth more than 68's is only due to demand, and that's so far. However, I didn't really buy the car to make money and I think that's why we can get frustrated when we are trying to decide what something is worth. Most of us, not all, want to buy a nice car for a reasonable amount and fix it, drive it, and have fun. The people who are selling sometimes try to take advantage of the demand.