I've pretty much lost all intrest in my '68, that along with the fact that my family has grown to the point that we all can't fit safely for the Sunday run for ice cream anymore. I'm going to sell it to help finance another larger project.

I'm planning on putting it on e-bay and am not sure of the best way to list it. If I got around $14,000 for it I'd be happy. The biggest problems are the floor and interior, it need a drivers floor pan and interior kit. The rest of the car on a scale of 1 to 10, Paint 7, Engine/Tranny 8, Body work minus the floor 6, Brakes and suspension 7.

Check my sig for photos, do you guys think I could get $14,000? or am I dreaming? Thanks, Phil

Phil,

IMHO this would fetch $14k all day everyday. I would ask for $18-$20k and see what happens. Put it on e-bay with a buy it now of $19,995. You would be surprised. Yea, the back seat & package tray are some weak points but those items are easily repaired.

Don't get me wrong there are guys who will knit pick everything to death. Screw those guys!! They hate cars with a fram PH30 oil filter instead of an A/C Delco filter.

Be honest in your description as you were. Tell people this is not a $65,000 -$75,000 mint show car. I think you can get 18 grand easy. But try to get 20g!! Your family will be happier & so will you.

Bottom Line: Be patient. I bit the bullet hard when I sold my first Camaro (see my signature below) I bought that car for $2,800 in the spring of 1989. Thousands of dollars later including a new engine, trans & rear end I sold it for $2,200 in the fall of 1994. I could have gotten $5k or slightly more back then had I waited. That car also had factory A/C. Do not make the same mistake I did and run to go sell unless you need the money yesterday. Take your time like I should have and you will be happier. Be honest with the description and list it for buy it now of $19,995. I think you will get at least $18k on e-bay!! Good Luck!!

14K sound good, I look over the Pic's and the car looks like a nice car . Someone spend 1K for a complete Int kit and they have a very nice car for 15K that they can drive and work on if they desire. You do the Kit and ask 20K

14k should be a no brainer. How much over 14k is anyones guess. I would go ebay and see what happens.

compared to what i have seen, i agree $17k to $19k range. especially if you are not in a rush to sell.

so, what will the next project be? maybe a nomad wagon? thats family friendly.

compared to what i have seen, i agree $17k to $19k range. especially if you are not in a rush to sell.

so, what will the next project be? maybe a nomad wagon? thats family friendly.

Got my eye on a '71 Blazer, its a bondo buggy and a half. I knew it was not going to be good when I saw it was in primer.

Sure miss my tri five, I would prolly take two completed factory FI nomads for my Z. Think I would be happy.

$18-20k on e-bay with out even comming to see.

Well, we'll see where it goes from here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-Camaro-LOW-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ120107399989QQihZ002QQcategoryZ61 61QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks for the imput guys. Phil

there just to help you out i put a bid on it :)

i have 1 myself dont need another but i put my bid on it ( knowing that i wont hit the reserve)

only only if it was a 67... :)

I'm very curious seeing as I'm knee deep in my 68 resto myself. I would expect more then 14k, I'd be surprised if you didn't get a buy it now.

well you should be happy it is up to 10 k already :)

With an interior kit that car would fetch 20K-21k no problem.

Wow, didn't expect to hit the $10,000 reserve already! Kinda wish I'd of set it a weee bit higher!!!!! Hope it climbs. Thanks for the help, wish I'd of listened to yuo guys a little better. Phil

Car shows well in the pics.....:thumbsup: Since it hit the reserve so early it may languish there for a few days, but you have at least 5 people baited and hoping they can get it for cheap. I'm betting it will soar when it nears the end......:yes: How many "watchers" do you have ???

there just to help you out i put a bid on it :)

i have 1 myself dont need another but i put my bid on it ( knowing that i wont hit the reserve)


That's all we need is someone shill bidding!! That's completely stupid and uncalled for!!! :noway: :clonk: :angry:

what i would give $1000 for the car

i cant go any higher

how is that shill bidding ?/???

ignorence is bliss!! your bid may have forced a buyer to bid more than they had to. Sure it helps the seller but it's un-ethical..

how do you figure ??


the next bid after mine is for $10,000

my top bid was for $1,000

i will agree if it was for $1,100

even then

you tell me you would not bid on a 68 camaro for $1,000?????

thats crazy

Like you thought a $1000 was a winning bid!! You influenced the auction with your bid on a car that you were not interested in. The bid was $500 before you bid on it. Acutions often are all about guys getting cought up in the moment and your shill bid just put a little fire to the pan . Read your anouncement you posted, you even said you helped the seller out! That's shill bidding...

and your shill bid just put a little fire to the pan . Read your anouncement you posted, you even said you helped the seller out! That's shill bidding...

Dennis hit the nail on the head. E-bay would be well within thier rights to cancle the auction and ban us both for shrill bidding if they became aware that we know each other even if only through the wonderful world of the internet. I chose not to acknowlege it for that reason.

Car shows well in the pics.....:thumbsup: Since it hit the reserve so early it may languish there for a few days, but you have at least 5 people baited and hoping they can get it for cheap. I'm betting it will soar when it nears the end......:yes: How many "watchers" do you have ???

I got 15 watchers right now, I figure it will stay at $10,000 for a few days also, I just got to figure out how to keep from checking it every few minutes!! LOL!

Like you thought a $1000 was a winning bid!! You influenced the auction with your bid on a car that you were not interested in. The bid was $500 before you bid on it. Acutions often are all about guys getting cought up in the moment and your shill bid just put a little fire to the pan . Read your anouncement you posted, you even said you helped the seller out! That's shill bidding...


so you are telling me if you go to a live auction and this exact thing happens and the biddding is stopped your not going to bid on it ??? i would bet that you would




i am interested in the car it is just our of my price range

i did not force the next persone to bid on it especially to the tune of 10x what i bid

it is not shill bidding
i link was posted on a car i threw out a bid on it

hell the first people who bid on it could have the same thing said about it

the car was @ $ 25 when i bid it then sat @ $500 with my bid then i got out bid with a $10,000 bid

that is the way that bidding works

I did not know it was originally a 6 cyl car based on the VIN. That may hurt it by about 2k. But I think it goes for $14k easy.:yes: Maybe $18k if it was originally a V8. I think you will hit $16k even with a 6 cyl VIN and hopefully you'll get more than that. :hurray: Good Luck on e-bay!! It's over 10k already. :beers:

Guys 1968's are pretty soft right now I am betting $14k tops. Nice car but like I said they are pretty soft on the marker. It would have to be a 69 in my opinion to hit the $20k mark. Good luck.

Why does it have a 6 cyl vin and a V8 Cowl tag? Seems strange to swap a 68 cowl tag. No offense to the seller, maybe he bought it that way.

I believe the trim tag does not denote cylinders, only vin tag does.

Why does it have a 6 cyl vin and a V8 Cowl tag? Seems strange to swap a 68 cowl tag. No offense to the seller, maybe he bought it that way.

I think the 124 on the cowl tag is part of the fisher body number, and that it dose not coinside with the vin. I could be wrong.

In the glove box when I bought it, there was a tow bill from a company in Richmond Va. that had the same vin written on it as on the dash. It was dated 1987. I doubt there is any foul play involved with this one.

Why does it have a 6 cyl vin and a V8 Cowl tag?

V8 cowl tag? I have never heard of such a thing....I have however heard of a tag and a number on that tag that denotes coupe or convertible with standard or custom interior.....;)



12337 VIN vs 12437 Cowl Tag Code
Though it looks very similar to the first part of the VIN, the body style code on the Fisher Body cowl tag did not have the same meaning. Fisher Body didn't need the type of engine coded on the cowl tag, and so stamped the 3rd digit of the Fisher style code differently from the VIN.
The 3rd digit of the VIN identifies which engine (L6 or V8) the car had from the factory. A VIN engine digit of 3 indicates a L6 engine, while a VIN engine digit of 4 indicates a V8 engine.

The cowl tags for 1967 Camaros were stamped with a style code of 12x37 or 12x67, where the x was set to 4 for standard interior or 6 for custom interior. All 1968-69 Camaros had a style code of 12437 or 12467 on the cowl tag - the 3rd digit of the firewall style number for these two years was fixed to 4 and effectively had no meaning.

Thank you Paul.

Shill bidding drives me crazy but what Cjr did, in my opinion, is not shill bidding. Now if he put in a bid for $9,900 knowing the reserve was 10k that would be a problem. Bidding $1000 one time really has no influence on the outcome of the auction.

Shill bidding drives me crazy but what Cjr did, in my opinion, is not shill bidding. Now if he put in a bid for $9,900 knowing the reserve was 10k that would be a problem. Bidding $1000 one time really has no influence on the outcome of the auction.

Exactly. Well said thorpe67RS. Mike. :beers: :beers:

If you intended it or not you came here and told the seller you helped him out because you placed a bid. Sure makes it sound like you were shilling based on that. After other bids are place the shill may be negated but at the time you bid you had no idea what the reserve was and you impacted the auction by bidding.

I know a lot of guys place worthless bids out of boredom or for what ever reason not ever intending to buy in the first place. At some level it does have an impact on the auction... If you don't have the money based on reasonable market value or don't have any intention of actually buying the item, you have no business getting in the middle of it.

Sorry you don't see it that way!

After other bids are place the shill may be negated but at the time you bid you had no idea what the reserve was and you impacted the auction by bidding.



Any reasonable human being would know that the reserve on that car would exceed $1,000. Mike. :beers: :beers:

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If you intended it or not you came here and told the seller you helped him out because you placed a bid. Sure makes it sound like you were shilling based on that. After other bids are place the shill may be negated but at the time you bid you had no idea what the reserve was and you impacted the auction by bidding.

I know a lot of guys place worthless bids out of boredom or for what ever reason not ever intending to buy in the first place. At some level it does have an impact on the auction... If you don't have the money based on reasonable market value or don't have any intention of actually buying the item, you have no business getting in the middle of it.

Sorry you don't see it that way!

I guess i dont see it that way in this case. But thats ok..we can agree to disagree.

Any reasonable human being would know that the reserve on that car would exceed $1,000. Mike. :beers: :beers:

Sorry if what I say is getting to you to the point you have to insinuate that anyone disagreeing with you isn't a reasonable human.

I guess i dont see it that way in this case. But thats ok..we can agree to disagree.

No problem, we can indeed agree to disagree, before this runs it's course though maybe you can help me understand exactly what is ment when someone posts that they helped a seller out by placing a bid. Then also states he has no interest in the car.

there just to help you out i put a bid on it :)

i have 1 myself dont need another but i put my bid on it ( knowing that i wont hit the reserve)

If the bid had no impact how was he helping the seller? Ebay says shill bidding isn't just bidding to raise the price, they also say bidding to enhance desiriability is shill bidding. More bids can do just that, "look at all the bids, it must be a good deal". From ebay...
Shill Bidding is bidding that artificially increases an item’s price or apparent desirability

So just what was ment by bidding to help the seller out?

Thank you Dennis for stepping up and defending the shrill bidding issue. With the all that is said about weather this Camaro seller or that Camaro seller is legit or not, we don't need anything stiring that pot. I try my best to be a honest person and I don't want even the slightest of fingers pointing my way.

ok i am going to say this 1 time

if i stirred the conversation up about this car and auction

sorry

but i will say this deal with it

at the time i placed the bid (1 bid) the price was low

i know that the reserve was more than $1000 ( which means it wont sell)

so i figured i would put a bid on the car of $1000 i knew that that price would not win the car how ever saying that i can also say i did nothing wrong the 2 prior bidders ( look at the bid history ) put a bid of no more than $500 on it

so if i am accused of being a shill bidder than the other 2 people who placed bids are the same way

i will also say that had i not placed a message back on here saying that i put a bid on here there would not have been any of this discussion can everyone agree with that ????


now had i placed multiple bids just to run the item up ( say @ $50 each ) up to the final reserve price then i would agree with you


i also feel as i had been attacked on this site because of this and especailly it really make not want to come back on to this site

Thank you Dennis for stepping up and defending the shrill bidding issue. With the all that is said about weather this Camaro seller or that Camaro seller is legit or not, we don't need anything stiring that pot. I try my best to be a honest person and I don't want even the slightest of fingers pointing my way.

Good enough for me!! :yes:

I gotta wonder why DJD has to keep trying to impose "HIS" view on this and keep calling people on it!! :( Your not going to change any minds, you can not go back in time and remove the bid and for goodness sake............it's friggin e-bay!!!

Jeeze enough already man about it. I personally think this site should ban all e-bay posts. They always end up in some sort of name calling........your hurt my feelings........you can't say that.........moral and ethical police threads that are waste of bandwidth. Ohhh and yes I get involved with them sometimes also. I wish I did not though. I think we all need to check ourselves on this e-bay junk around here and leave it where it belongs............e-pay.

Sorry Pinmd for hijacking your post :beers: and I truly hope you get alot more for her that you wish. I also hope you stick around TC when you get your new Family project ride.

Time for a subject change!!!! :yes:

What are you looking for to replace the Camaro with anyhow?

cjrolke - if you think I attacked you I apologize, that was not the intent. IMO the bidders before you should not have bid if they were not interested or didn't have the money to back up showing interest in the car. You did call attention to yourself when you posted that you bid on the car. I replied to you as a Camaro hobbyist as well as an ebayer not as an Administrator of this site. As an Administrator there was nothing wrong that warranted me to scold you for what you said or edit or delete what you said. I hope you can see the difference in me participating here and me administering here...

That said I didn't name call, I used stupid and uncalled for to describe shill bidding. My whole reason for all this is not to say I'm right and only my opinion counts. I think you and the others that disagree with me are doing so more because you think I'm ramming my opinion down your throats than anything. For that I am sorry too, it's not my intention.

Everyone should agree that there are some major problems in the classic car hobby and part of those problems come from greed. Ebay comes into play because now we have lots of more opportunity to get ripped of or rip off others. Ebay is full of deals gone bad, mis-represented products, shill bidding and a lot of other evils...

When I read,
there just to help you out i put a bid on it what am I susposed to think? Follow that with,
i have 1 myself dont need another but i put my bid on it ( knowing that i wont hit the reserve) it sounds like a shill bid to me. You bid to help the seller out, knowing you were not interested in winning the car. I've asked several times for an explanation in case I didn't comprehend what was said, nobody so far has offered up any more on what was ment though.

I do truly believe if people like the first several bidders in this auction would just stay away and not bid for sport or what ever other reason and only place serious bids, it would have a big positive impact on ebay auctions. Phil keyed in on what I was trying to say right off the bat. A good honest seller can be hurt by others actions in these auctions just as a good deal for a buyer can be sidetracked too.

If there is an explanation for how placing a bid that wasn't part of a buying strategy to win the auction helped the seller I'm open to hearing it...

If there is an explanation for how placing a bid that wasn't part of a buying strategy to win the auction helped the seller I'm open to hearing it...

I took it to mean when Cjr said he put in a bid to "help him out" that he was doing it in jest. Knowing that he wasnt really helping him get more for the car than he would have otherwise. And heck, im sure if $1000 turned out to be the high bidder he certainly would have bought it for that. :D
Anyways, all good.

A thousand dollar bid on a $14k car means nothing.

"Technically" shill bidding, probably ...

Did it influence the auction, probably not ...

Is it wrong, probably ...

Is it "wrong" enough to get booted off of Ebay, probably not ...

Would it really cause any of the current bidders to be unhappy, probably not ...

The seller of the car wants a good clean auction, so does he still have one? Ya, everything is OK ...


Is this something that needs to be debated to great lengths and people to get worked up over, no, not IMHO.

Time for a subject change!!!! :yes:

What are you looking for to replace the Camaro with anyhow?

How about it guys........please no more e-pay talk...........pretty please with shiny new NOS parts on top...:)

How about it guys........please no more e-pay talk...........pretty please with shiny new NOS parts on top...:)

Oh and one other thing about ebay... kidding. Done!

Ever notice how one person on this site is always right and everyone one else is wrong. I've been gone a year and nothing has changed.

What are you looking for to replace the Camaro with anyhow?

Well, I'm looking at either a '71 Blazer that will need pretty much all new metal, or I'm going to start hunting for a '66 or '67 Fairlane.

But, I also got bit by the John Deere bug. The engine in my 318 was getting tired so I contacted small engine warehouse in Dunkirk, In. and ordered a 24hp Honda v-twin. While I had it apart I decided to strip it down, clean it up, and do a rattle can paint job.

I had so darn much fun repowering and restoring this thing that I may buy a few more to work on. Here's a shot of it striped down and degreased.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/PinMd/Engoutsmall.jpg

And a shot of it with the plow back in the winter.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/PinMd/P1050572.jpg

Tomorrow I post some pics of the finished product. Thanks for asking Joe.

How about it guys........please no more e-pay talk...........pretty please with shiny new NOS parts on top...:)

you got to admit Joe, I got almost as much exposer as old 67Stang did out of his e-bay posts, I didn't even ask for it. LOL!

Ever notice how one person on this site is always right and everyone one else is wrong. I've been gone a year and nothing has changed.

I can't fathom who you might be refering to. I could post that grass is green, and one person would not agree. Mike. :beers: :beers:

I can't fathom who you might be refering to. I could post that grass is green, and one person would not agree. Mike. :beers: :beers:

LOL !!!!

Well, I'm looking at either a '71 Blazer that will need pretty much all new metal, or I'm going to start hunting for a '66 or '67 Fairlane.


As long as you know it is a rust bomb, are you looking at the challenge of rebuilding it from the frame up ?? Seems to me it would be easier to start with a better body that costs a little more up front.

As long as you know it is a rust bomb, are you looking at the challenge of rebuilding it from the frame up ?? Seems to me it would be easier to start with a better body that costs a little more up front.

Right now I'm still keeping my eyes open. I ever get this house sold and move into the one I got a contract on I'll have enough shop space that I could take on a big one. Phil

As long as you are up to the challenge, most of the body panels are available for the 71's. Might be a little more searching for the Blazer pieces, but some of the pickup stuff works with a little modification too.
Having a big enough space to work in is a big bonus.:yes:

OK up to $11,100.00 with a day to go. Anybody got any valium!

I can't fathom who you might be refering to. I could post that grass is green, and one person would not agree. Mike. :beers: :beers:

And if you caught them on a good day, they would post a three paragraph rebuttal/diatribe regarding the various shades of grass and then lock the thread....

And if you caught them on a good day, they would post a three paragraph rebuttal/diatribe regarding the various shades of grass and then lock the thread....

Exactly. I'm glad to hear that others feel the same way. I thought maybe it was just my perception, but obviously we (at least some of us) are in agreement. Mike. :beers: :beers: