Hello all, I am new to this site and would love some advice. I am looking at a 1969 Z-28 Lemans Blue w/Black stripes (Yes black stripes on blue). The car has been sitting in a garage for 30 years. It has 33,000 miles, no rust at all on the body. The original paint is in good condition with some scratches but no dents or dings. It has an X77 trim code and it has the original warranty papers, build sheet and protecto-plate. The interior is in very good shape. I went through the car as much as possible and all the numbers on the rear, engine, trim plate, vin tag, carb, intake,cowl hood, protecto plate and docs match. The only items that I can see it is missing is the rally wheel trim rings and center caps, the ignition coil and the battery. All or the original stickers (Jacking instructions, tire pressure ect) are still in great shape and the original jack and spare are still in the trunk. It has a black vinyl top and rear spoiler. The car also comes with the original dealer envelope with the dealer stock tag. It also has a bottle of the original touch-up paint. The only thing that is not 100% original is the cowl hood and carb which were stolen 3 months after the car was purchased but replaced by the dealer withing a week and the sticker on the hood has the right date code to prove it. The motor has not been started in 30 years and I would guess would need to be looked at and possibly re-done. The car is still located at the original owners home as per the dealer invoice however the original owner has passed away and the son is selling the car. Now my question is what is a car like this worth?

Without pictures-wild guess-24K?

Without pictures-wild guess-24K?

If the car is as described and the son know's a thing or 2 about the value of these cars I'd say quite a bit more then 24k low to mid 30's.but like doug say's without pic's it's just a guessing game

Hard to say without pics and a detailed list of its options, but if the car is in as good as shape as described AND the seller has all the paperwork you mention low to mid 30's, like MichiganMan said, wouldn't be unrealistic.

Well as far as photos I will work on that. As far as options it has the 4 gauges on the tranny and an 8k tach. It has a vinyl roof, black stripes 4:10 gears, Cowl induction hood with complete induction air intake set-up and Spoilers. As far as the documents as I said before I actually looked at all the above listed docs and all the info right down to the owners name and address are correct. As far as the condition of the car it has been in a dry garage since 1976. The NYS inspection sticker and registration on the windshield is from 1976, the car is completely rust free and needs no body work at all. The interior code is 711.

Manny please post the cowl tag info. including all numbers there. Vin # too if you dont mind. Folks here can then confirm for you that the cowl numbers are in line with VIN and that date code is in line with options. The cowl induction hood was not available until around Jan. of 69. Sounds like a great find :thumbsup:

Assuming you get it running and everything checks out mechanically and its as nice and clean as you are stating. I would say without question that its a 40-50k car. Again, I am going on words and no pictures. If you do get it running good and get it all detailed while keeping it totally original. Its worth way more... Do you need a partner on this deal??? LOL!!!
Sounds like a really cool ride. Good luck!

Hmmm???...I think I have heard this story before....Would love to see some pics of the car & the docs....

Dan

Ok well the trim plate numbers are:

ST69 12437 NOR321C7GBDY
TR 711 71 BPNT
05A X77


as far as seeing pics if you guys can tell me how to insert them I will. I have a bunch of pics. The car looks like a car that was sitting inside of a garage for 30 years . Its dusty and the wheels are missing its trim rings and center caps. The hood still has the GM factory black primer from when it was replaced 3 months after the car was purchased. The interior is dirty but not worn or damaged . The doors close like the car was brand new. The paint is still shiny but it does have scratches. Do you guys think that the car is worth more with the original scratched paint or getting it repainted? The motor has been sitting untouched for 30 years so I am going to have all the seals and bearings ect replaced. I have pics of the protecto plate also.

Oh I almost forgot, The VIN # is:

124379N641411

Ok well the trim plate numbers are:

ST69 12437 NOR321C7GBDY
TR 711 71 BPNT
05A X77


as far as seeing pics if you guys can tell me how to insert them I will. I have a bunch of pics. The car looks like a car that was sitting inside of a garage for 30 years . Its dusty and the wheels are missing its trim rings and center caps. The hood still has the GM factory black primer from when it was replaced 3 months after the car was purchased. The interior is dirty but not worn or damaged . The doors close like the car was brand new. The paint is still shiny but it does have scratches. Do you guys think that the car is worth more with the original scratched paint or getting it repainted? The motor has been sitting untouched for 30 years so I am going to have all the seals and bearings ect replaced. I have pics of the protecto plate also.

I'd say to a true hard core collector it's worth more with the original paint scratched or not. As to pricing I'd say at todays dollar and with what the Z28's have ben going for lately 30K to 40K is about right for it's current condition, once you get it cleaned up and running it will be worth quite a bit more than that.

Sounds like the more you get into this the more you will find that you need. The NOS parts are like buying gold. But with a original car you have to go NOS. KEEP the original paint if its ok. Surprised you have not heard this. But rememer one thing, its original only once. The restored and pretty Z's are very easy to locate. But the original ones are almost impossible to find.
Trust me, I just went through all of this about a year ago.

Hope this helps. Good luck!!!!!!!!

I'd say $50 grand all day long. If the paint can be buffed out, I'd say all spiffy and clean (assuming everything is original except the coil) I'd say the car is worth $75-80.......and it will continue to climb since excellent examples of unrestored originals are the next big collector rage. (IMO) It's already happening, but as more folks jump on the unrestored original bandwagon, prices will rise exponentially.

Ok well thanks for all the advise and info. I picked the car up Saturday and have been trying to make time to confirm as many numbers and date codes ect as possible. So far I matched the rear and the block with the protecto plate. I confirmed the rear has 4.10s and the intake,distributer, water pump, power brake booster, tranny, radiator, fan and rims all have the right date codes or part numbers. The original shocks, springs, jack, interior, exhaust front and rear bumpers are still on the car. The trunk splatter paint is in good shape with light stains only and there appears to be no rust or rot on the car. The underside of the car appears to have a light coat of undercoating but I will have to confirm that. Does anyone know where I can look for the build sheet??? I think all the original glass is on the car but I dont know how to confirm that. I plan on becoming a paid member asap and then I will post pics of the car and you guys can tell me what you think. Thanks!!!!!!!

.....I plan on becoming a paid member asap and then I will post pics of the car and you guys can tell me what you think. Thanks!!!!!!!

I can already tell you what I think....... I think you should sell the car to me :)

Congrats on a nice find. Many people here can help you with the numbers, resto ideas, and just about any questions you might have. I am not one of them. They only let me stick around here for comic relief. Should yo uneed to know anything about how notto be impatient, what to look out for when allowing a "mechanic" to move into your guest house to help you out with your car, or the best way to keep finding Camaro's and buying them until you figure it out, I am your man. (P.S. - Still buying them... I haven't figured it out yet).

KJ

P.S. - I do still have a limited supply of spark plug wax if you need any. I am getting down to the final supply, so only one tube per customer now.

Congratulations- sounds very cool indeed! Might want to get a copy of Jerry MacNeish's Z28 book- it is an excellent reference. Take photos- lots of them, as you progress in the restoration- you will be happy later. I agree with others, do as little as possible to "get er dun"- if it is a survivor.

Cheers-

Being a norwood car try pulling the rear seat to ck for a buildsheet

Manny nice speaking with you this past weekend. You indeed have a very nice original car with all the hard to find parts. For anyone interested in survivor class (we call it Vintage Camaro because of trademark issues) visit us at the Camaro National @ Carlisle this weekend in Y building. We have six cars being certified thru our Vintage Camaro program. They include a 9,500 mile 69 L78, 68 Dana 427 conversion (have you ever seen one), Black 69 rs/Z28, 70 rs/Z28, Orange 69 Z/28 and a Black 69Z/28. This class of cars sets the benchmarks for how restored cars should be done. As they say they are only original once, but can be restored many times......

Don't miss this show, as it offers it all for the camaro enthusiast. If anyone is interested in our program, and wants to learn more about it, simply email me at sshauger@optonline.net or stop by at the show (we are in Y building and say hi. Looking forward to seeing everyone there.


Steve Shauger

Vintage Camaro

Ok sorry for the delay but I have been really busy at work. Anyway hear are some of the pictures from the day I picked up the car from the original owners garage. Now please note that this car has been sitting in a garage for 30 years and is very dirty. I was told that the hood was replaced 3 months after the car was purchased because it was stolen. It still has the GM primer and part # sticker. The grill was cracked and the owner attempted to repair it and repaint it. Please give me some opinions as to the condition of the car as I am very much interested in keeping the car as original as possible.


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It looks like it has a long way to go, everything needs redone, paint,bumper,fire wall looks like it needs some work with the rust before it gets bad. Hope you did not get taken, as per old car price guide #5 your price should be around 4,000-9,000 depending if the engine needs redone etc. Hope you have fun.

:hurray:

That car is much better than a #5. Car looks like it's in great shape. Very cool to see a car like that found.

It looks like it has a long way to go, everything needs redone, paint,bumper,fire wall looks like it needs some work with the rust before it gets bad. Hope you did not get taken, as per old car price guide #5 your price should be around 4,000-9,000 depending if the engine needs redone etc. Hope you have fun.

You have got to be kidding me :confused:....are you really in touch with todays pricing and the rarity of finding a barn find, original, numbers matching, rust free Z-28....with documentation????:noway:

Sure it needs a resto.....but he's got an awesome platform to begin with....I'll give him 20K for it right now :yes:......and I'm sure there are guys who would pay even way more than that!

I'll tell you what Bigsky....I'll give you a $5K finders fee for every "Z" you find me to buy in that condition for less than $10K :thumbsup:

Awesome find!

Dan

Agreed, very tough to find anything that together anymore. I think you have done well!

You have got to be kidding me :confused:....are you really in touch with todays pricing and the rarity of finding a barn find, original, numbers matching, rust free Z-28....with documentation????:noway:

Sure it needs a resto.....but he's got an awesome platform to begin with....I'll give him 20K for it right now :yes:......and I'm sure there are guys who would pay even way more than that!

I'll tell you what Bigsky....I'll give you a $5K finders fee for every "Z" you find me to buy in that condition for less than $10K :thumbsup:

Awesome find!

Dan

Yeah but...............

It's a used car
It already has over 33,000 miles on it
It's kinda old

Plus there hasn't been any new, modern updates done to the car. If it had air conditioning, a really cool sound system, maybe some fender flares and some flames it would probably go for more. Shoot... just the amount of time it owuld take to clean it would hardly be worth it. I have a 2004 Crown Victoria I got handed to me when my FIL passed away. It has a cracked front valance, a couple of nicks and scrapes but, other than that and the fact that it's been smoked in and has a little miss every time you drive it, it's a pretty sound car. It books out at around 11k as it sits. If Manny wants an even trade I might consider it. Just think of how much newer and plusher this cars is rather than that old, dusty, dingy 2 door. I think it would be a heck of a deal. I might even throw in this really cool orange and white Pinto I just saw for sale... 2 cars for 1. Let me kow if interested.

Hey DW, if he doesn't take you up on that trade, I might need you to give me a line on that Pinto...Those things rock.

Hey DW, if he doesn't take you up on that trade, I might need you to give me a line on that Pinto...Those things rock.

than's funny.... I heard they blow :)

than's funny.... I heard they blow :)
That's what I said isn't it?

You have got to be kidding me :confused:....are you really in touch with todays pricing and the rarity of finding a barn find, original, numbers matching, rust free Z-28....with documentation????:noway:

Sure it needs a resto.....but he's got an awesome platform to begin with....I'll give him 20K for it right now :yes:......and I'm sure there are guys who would pay even way more than that!

I'll tell you what Bigsky....I'll give you a $5K finders fee for every "Z" you find me to buy in that condition for less than $10K :thumbsup:

Awesome find!

Dan

Hey Dan, I'll add another 5k to the finders fee and we"ll go in together!!!

I believe it to be a great fine. Love the period correct Atlas front tires.
I think once the car is cleaned, fix the hood and header panel, it won't need no stinkin' restore.

I'd drive it just the way it is. They are only original once.

Hey Dan, I'll add another 5k to the finders fee and we"ll go in together!!!

Let's start the bidding... I'll throw in another $5k.

Wow not the kind of response I was expecting. I know the car is worth alot more that 4,000 - $ 9,000 and sorry but not interested in trading. LOL. But anyway I am not an expert but I dont think the car needs to be totally redone. Yeah I need to paint the hood and header panel and buff out the rest of the "ORIGINAL" paint but other then a small wear spot in the drivers side carpet and putting back the steering wheel cover the interior is mint. I will have to figure out what to do with the motor since its been sitting for 30 yrs but at best I will just get all the seals, rings and bearings replaced. Also I was under the car and the original undercoating is still intact on the 100% solid rust free "ORIGINAL" floors. Also the "ORIGINAL" vinyl top is in perfect condition. Here are some more pics

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Oh.... you never mentioned that there was a wear spot in the carpet.... I will at this time withdraw my offer to trade. However, if you are at all interested in the Pinto I may consider it. You can let me know either by Morse code or Candygram.

Wow..nice find. Congrats. Barn finds are so cool...especially when its a car like a 69Z.

It looks like it has a long way to go, everything needs redone, paint,bumper,fire wall looks like it needs some work with the rust before it gets bad. Hope you did not get taken, as per old car price guide #5 your price should be around 4,000-9,000 depending if the engine needs redone etc. Hope you have fun.

Huh?? $4-$9,000? for a 69 z/28 with POP, $33K and no rust? The Old Car Price guide is way out of touch.

I think $30K-$35K is more in line and I might be low!
Looks like alot of car there. Try to keep it as original as you can.

Yeah that was what I was thinking when I paid $25,000 for the car. I plan on keeping the car as original as possible and keeping as much of the original parts on the car as possible. I will clean up as much as I can without ruining original markings ect. I will rebuild whatever needs to be rebuilt and only replace what I must. I wanted to thank Steve Shauger for discussing the car with me. He is a wealth of information and I will be asking him and you guys alot of questions as I clean this car up!!!!!!

Yeah that was what I was thinking when I paid $25,000 for the car. I plan on keeping the car as original as possible and keeping as much of the original parts on the car as possible. I will clean up as much as I can without ruining original markings ect. I will rebuild whatever needs to be rebuilt and only replace what I must. I wanted to thank Steve Shauger for discussing the car with me. He is a wealth of information and I will be asking him and you guys alot of questions as I clean this car up!!!!!!

I almost spilled my coffee when I read bigsky4ever's comments. You bought that car well below market, and what is more important is that you really like the car. That car will clean up very nice, and I wouldn't expect too many surprises. Take it slow, document your findings along the way. If I can be of assistance let me know. Possibly we could get together so that I could verify a few things, which may help you decide what direction to go with on the car. It is just amazing that the car still has the original smog installed.... Very unmolested.

Thanks Steve!!! I will get back to you sometime in the next few weeks, I am in the middle of moving into a new house and when I am in I will invite you over to look at the car and give me your close up opinion.

It looks like a great find and a good buy at 25K.

I was impressed to see it still retains the original smog system and exhaust manifolds. Those parts were often discarded back in the day and are now priced like they are made of gold!

25-K ??? You did well... in fact you did steal it IMO. Very nice car, a great find, and an awesome price. If I can get a genuine-simulated POP and build sheet on the Pinto can we do the deal :D.

Your's could turn out to be the "deal of the year":thumbsup:

Yeah that was what I was thinking when I paid $25,000 for the car. I plan on keeping the car as original as possible and keeping as much of the original parts on the car as possible. I will clean up as much as I can without ruining original markings ect. I will rebuild whatever needs to be rebuilt and only replace what I must. I wanted to thank Steve Shauger for discussing the car with me. He is a wealth of information and I will be asking him and you guys alot of questions as I clean this car up!!!!!!

Very nice find Manny, the price was right, good job. Like I said earlier and many others did as well, try to keep it as original as possible. You'll be surprised what alittle cleaning up will do for her. Keep us updated, great find. Oh and BTW, Bigskies is probably a ford guy, lol.

Nice find! Congrats! Make sure you put the rear bumper guards back on (one is laying in the trunk pic) and eventually replace the master cyl with a correct one. Have fun!

Thanks guys!!! I will post pics as I go along. Also yes I already have a new/correct Master and yes I will put both of the rear bumper guards back on!!

I was very curious to know what you paid but didnt wanna ask. $25k is a great buy..congrats!!

Thanks guys!!! I will post pics as I go along. Also yes I already have a new/correct Master and yes I will put both of the rear bumper guards back on!!

Manny - great find you lucky dog...I'm here on LI too...you should drive that car down to the old OBI lot one sunday morning (by 8AM if you don't already know about that cruise spot) when she's running. Very curious what town you found the car in and how you found out about it? Please share

Dave

Dave,
I found out about the car through a friend who knew the grandson of the original owner who lived in East Northport. The grandson told me that his grandfather purchased the car at Pape Chevrolet in Huntington and I verified that with the POP and warranty which has the grandfathers name and address which is were I picked up the car. The grandson told me that 3 months after his grandfather bought the car he parked it in a lot and the factory installed cowl hood , the hurst shifter and the carb were stolen. The car was taken back to Pape chevy and the hood and carb were replaced. The grandson also told me that the grandfather hit a pipe in a parking lot which cracked the front grill and caused a small dent in the bumper. I was told that the owner then parked the car in the garage and started to repair the grill and started to prep the hood and header panel to be sprayed but never finished and the car has been sitting in the garage for the past 30 years untouched. As far as the old OBI lot I know it well and will someday come by with the car!!!

I think Big sky was jerking someone's chain and did a "drive by" as he didn't say anything else.
Manny, just a few of the original parts on your engine would sell for $5-9k.
In fact you could probably sell every part on the car and sell the bare body for that. Nice car. Congrats and welcome.

Does the prvious owner have any old pics of the car? Nows the time to get them. Maybe when he picked it up new?

Well when I was picking up the car it was a crazy scene so I did not ask to many questions, I just wanted to pick up the car and get out of there as soon as possible. The grandson was trying to convince the father and sister not to sell the car and the father had 2 other guys show up to look at the car at the same time I was supposed to pick it up. But the grandson did have an old picture of the car in front of the house when the car was fairly new but its not that great of a shot as it was from far away. I will call them to see if they would be willing to part with it or any others or at least if I can scan the originals.

Manny,Congrats,great find !! I know someone that just sold a unrestored Born With Drivetrain 69 Z/28 for $37,000.00 and the new owners were extremely happy.Car was missing smog and needed to be painted,very solid car though.I think you did extremely well with what you paid for that car,good luck!! Dan

how many leaf springs are on the rear of the car? (4 or 5 per side)? got picture?

I am not sure, I will get under the car this weekend and let you know but why????

I am not sure, I will get under the car this weekend and let you know but why????

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Congrats...looks like a terrific find...I'll drink to that!

:):):)

you should be able to find out if you have the correct springs under the car. I'm not trying to put your car down or anything like that but when you say orginal it must have everything from the factory and never been replaced, I have a friend that has a ls6 chevelle covt. that is org. down to the heater hose belts rims the factory tires org. glass, it's never been painted etc. he paid 70,000 for the car. As for how much you paid all depends on how bad you want the car. I'm sure you will have fun with the car as I have a 69 rs and it's a blast to drive.

you should be able to find out if you have the correct springs under the car. I'm not trying to put your car down or anything like that but when you say orginal it must have everything from the factory and never been replaced, I have a friend that has a ls6 chevelle covt. that is org. down to the heater hose belts rims the factory tires org. glass, it's never been painted etc. he paid 70,000 for the car. As for how much you paid all depends on how bad you want the car. I'm sure you will have fun with the car as I have a 69 rs and it's a blast to drive.

A real people person aren't ya ??? ARRGH

Why would you think the springs have been replaced???

Thats probably the last item that would get replaced!!!

Also FYI.... it is possible that the car could have come with either 4 leaf or 5 five leaf mulit's on it......according to CRG

Besides, who cares if they were replaced.....he still got a great deal on a documented, matching numbers, rust free Z!!!

Dan


"Generally, Z28's used 4 leaf springs and the other multi-leaf spring applications used 5 leaf springs. However, contrary to popular belief, the use of 4-leaf springs only on 68-69 Z28 cars and 5-leaf springs only on SS, L30/M20, LM1, L65, and COPO cars was not fixed. Spring sizing was assigned as a function of weight and option - and this was especially fine-tuned in 1969. Z28s with five-leaf springs and SS, L30/M20, LM1, L65, and COPO cars with 4-leaf springs are possible according to factory documentation and they have been observed (Z28, SS, L30/M20) on original cars. We have not yet observed a COPO, LM1, or L65 car with 4-leaf springs, but believe it to be a possible outcome, depending on ordering options"

well I kind of disagree with what you said that every part has to be original from the factory. Just the fact that the car was driven by the owner for 7 years and does have 33,000 miles on it as I originally stated there is bound to be at least a few parts like the master cylinder that was replaced. What I have said all along is that the car has been sitting in a garage for 30 yrs and is untouched as far as motor tranny rear ect and all numbers ect confirm that fact. I still think that what you claim is an accurate price based on the old car book is not in line with todays values and based on what everyone posted I dont think anyone would disagree.

you should be able to find out if you have the correct springs under the car. I'm not trying to put your car down or anything like that but when you say orginal it must have everything from the factory and never been replaced, I have a friend that has a ls6 chevelle covt. that is org. down to the heater hose belts rims the factory tires org. glass, it's never been painted etc. he paid 70,000 for the car. As for how much you paid all depends on how bad you want the car. I'm sure you will have fun with the car as I have a 69 rs and it's a blast to drive.

You have an odd way of introducing yourself to this site. You don't have a clue as to what this car is worth. Now you are questioning this cars originality...what are you trying to prove???

BTW for the most parts 4 leaf springs were used in Z's however there were exceptions, just like most big blocks received 5 leaf springs. Springs were change out regularly and shackles added to give the cars the jacked up look, back in the day.

Also your friend stole that LS6 convert for 70K. Let me know if it is for sale.

You have an odd way of introducing yourself to this site. You don't have a clue as to what this car is worth. Now you are questioning this cars originality...what are you trying to prove???

BTW for the most parts 4 leaf springs were used in Z's however there were exceptions, just like most big blocks received 5 leaf springs. Springs were change out regularly and shackles added to give the cars the jacked up look, back in the day.

Also your friend stole that LS6 convert for 70K. Let me know if it is for sale.

I've been watching this....you are right..it is an odd way to get to know all of us..Kinda squirrely even. :)



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Nice find!
Looks like it brought the whole neighborhood out, and with due reason.

I am dying to see how it looks really cleaned up.

Am I wrong in thinking he could get double his money right away with a simple wash/wax and cleaning?

Am I wrong in thinking he could get double his money right away with a simple wash/wax and cleaning?

Nope.

As everyone has already said--great find and congrats to you. It must have a real heart pounder to have that mob scene when you picked it up. You must have burnt rubber to get out of there before people started changing their mind and the other guys started pulling out cash...

Yeah it was a little crazy. I had gone there at Noon expecting to have time to put air in the tires, roll it out of the garage and take some more time to really look it over as it was in a very tight garage and because the tires were flat the car sat almost on the ground. I told my tow guy to meet me at 2:30, well we finally came to terms at around 2:15 and at the fathers request I was not to start doing anything until we finished the deal so it was crazy. I kind of felt bad for the family because they had a strong emotional tie to the car but it was the center of a huge family fight over who should get the car. Thanks again to all of you and I promise I will take it slow and show pics of my progress.

WOW DOES THIS REALLY HAPPEN? Remarkable story. 10 DOLLARS FOR THE STORY , and 30 grand for the car.

Manny,

Definitely keep in touch with Steve (shaugs). He is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable people in this hobby of ours. Also, keep in mind that some of the earlier posts were made with "tongue in cheek" i.e. kidding around...LOL

It seems that most of the guys here are happy that you found (and rescued) such a cool car (as am I...congrats:beers: )...but you will always have a few that are jealous of what you have...for whatever reasons they may have :confused:. Don't let the "naysayers" affect you...get out..have fun...and most of all enjoy it with family and friends...that's what it's all about, isn't it? :hurray:

Bruce thanks for the nice words and yes I know most of you guys are just messin with me and I think its great!! I totally agree with you on Steve and I have already experienced his knowledge and kindness and will be asking/bothering him with alot of questions!!! I know what I have with this car and I never doubted myself, the only reason why I even posted in this thread was to see how much it might be worth because I love cars for what they are not what they are worth so I have not been paying attention to values, so when I was offered the car for $25,000 I just wanted to make sure it was in line with todays values not to find out if I can flip it and make some cash. I am not into this for the money, I truly love this car and feel honored to be the 2nd owner of such a well preserved true muscle car!!

Ok well the trim plate numbers are:

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as far as seeing pics if you guys can tell me how to insert them I will. I have a bunch of pics. The car looks like a car that was sitting inside of a garage for 30 years . Its dusty and the wheels are missing its trim rings and center caps. The hood still has the GM factory black primer from when it was replaced 3 months after the car was purchased. The interior is dirty but not worn or damaged . The doors close like the car was brand new. The paint is still shiny but it does have scratches. Do you guys think that the car is worth more with the original scratched paint or getting it repainted? The motor has been sitting untouched for 30 years so I am going to have all the seals and bearings ect replaced. I have pics of the protecto plate also.

NEVER repaint a car with decent ORIGINAL paint

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a "survivor" is ALWAYS worth more than a repaint

NEVER repaint an original paint car that is decent

PS AWESOME find and score, you stole that car

thanks for all the updates and pictures too

the best part of owning a car like this is the search and find

you have a GREAT one

It looks like it has a long way to go, everything needs redone, paint,bumper,fire wall looks like it needs some work with the rust before it gets bad. Hope you did not get taken, as per old car price guide #5 your price should be around 4,000-9,000 depending if the engine needs redone etc. Hope you have fun.

LOL, what a joker ...

I bet you will give him $20k too just to make him feel good?

seriously, that is some pretty poor advice

DO NOT TOUCH the body, LEAVE it original

you will get 10x the lookers at ANY car show than the same car "restored'

Nice find!
Looks like it brought the whole neighborhood out, and with due reason.

I am dying to see how it looks really cleaned up.

Am I wrong in thinking he could get double his money right away with a simple wash/wax and cleaning?

maybe triple depending on how well the clean up is done and documented

I love the snow tires ...

well I kind of disagree with what you said that every part has to be original from the factory. Just the fact that the car was driven by the owner for 7 years and does have 33,000 miles on it as I originally stated there is bound to be at least a few parts like the master cylinder that was replaced. What I have said all along is that the car has been sitting in a garage for 30 yrs and is untouched as far as motor tranny rear ect and all numbers ect confirm that fact. I still think that what you claim is an accurate price based on the old car book is not in line with todays values and based on what everyone posted I dont think anyone would disagree.

Exactly. Bigsky is not very knowledgeable on these cars, evidently. I say you bought that car at least $10K under the real price. If you really get into it, you will find how much you can still spend for a restoration. Whether you do or not is your choice. I can look at these cars restored or original. Painting only the hood to match now will be tough for it to blend in since it is a big flat area. Do look for the correct master cylinder. The replacement ones stick out like a sore thumb. Have fun and keep us posted with more pictures.:beers:

Yep, nice find. I'm betting, now that we have pictures, that the hood was replaced because of collision damage, not theft. FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH.
Again, nice find. But what are you doing waisting your time here online? Get to work!

...........3669



Is that black paint on top of the exposed part of the cowl and rust on the firewall?

Looking closer at the pictures, there are no Camaro emblems on the fenders. Maybe it is not original paint, at least on the fenders.

Yeah Steve brought that up to me about the emblems. I have the car in a storage garage because I am moving but I will go there this weekend to take a better look. The only thing that does not make sense is if both fenders were damaged dont you think other things like the radiator, or the radiator support would be damaged? I looked for over spray around the whole car when I bought it and did not see any. As far as the black paint I am not sure I know what you are talking about. I know the black stripe continues from the top of the cowl and turns down. And yes there is a little surface rust on the firewall. Also I have the original bumper and its not in bad condition. It does have a dent exactly were the crack in the grill and that was where I was told the owner hit a metal pipe in a parking lot.

Excellant find, Manny. I know where there is 2 69 Camaros sitting in garages but the owners will not sell. I talked and tried to help 1 guy 10 years ago but he is content with just piling his crap on top of it. Right now you cant even tell there is a Camaro in the garage. He always leaves his garage door open. Sometimes you just have to be in the right spot at the right time in these people's life!

You made a comment at the beginning about the black stripes on a blue Camaro and Im sure by now with the black vinyl top, they are correct but I thought I would throw that in just in case.

Most times when these cars got hit in the front, the header panel would go over the hood (trashing the hoods front edge) and making it impossible to open. The drivers side fender to header panel is either loose by your pictures or tweaked possibly in the opposite direction of the impact because of a frustrated owner trying to get into the engine compartment. Ask me how I know, I had a 68 Camaro with front drums and a wicked 327. Not a good combination when stopping was the priority.

I would almost think that the fenders would have been toast to damage the radiator core support in the accident. Looks like there is over spray on the left turn signal and the valance panel may have been replaced. I take it there is no front bumper or bumper brackets. They probably took the majority of the impact and the header took out the hood. The grille may or may not be the original. If it was not bolted in and fell at some time for instance, they are pretty fragile. Did you get the grille stiffner with the car? If you got it then you could gauge the damage to the grille. If not, I would imagine it was creased pretty good and took the grille with it.

Just throwing out some thoughts. I have a vivid imagination to go with the voices that I hear.

One last thing, I would make a list of anything that is missing and when you try to get the original pictures of the car. Ask them if they possible still might have them laying around. It could be on a wall, shelf, box or drawer. They may come across something at a later time, leave your number. I would ask for pictures with grandpa standing in front of the car and assure these people that they sold grandpa's car to the right person. Fortunately, I have been training my son for the day that he will take over the task of caring for the Camaro. Unfortunately, when that day comes, I will no longer be on this earth. Phil

I think camaro69zz396 is is right, you should give your number and maybe they will find some part left behind like the 302 badges for the hood,the camaro badges for the front fenders, does that hood have the holes for the 302 badges? oh by the way I just put my glasses on and I have to say wow great car, I was wrong before. If it has been wrecked you should go ahead and do a repaint then get the engine rebuilt. Another 20k to 30k, if you want it done right and you will be ready for the road.

That car is a needle in a haystack. If I had found it I would have bought it for that price in a minute. You've got one cool car there and I can't wait to see the progress pictures of it even if you just clean it up. I'm happy for you. Congrats from South Florida!

...well, I just thought to jump in and congratulate you as well, ...truely an awsome find, ...and well worth the 25k. I'd simply clean it up, ...freshen the motor, ...and drive it as is. You have a super preserved car, ...well documented, ...and you're now the 2nd owner, ...that's just cool too :thumbsup:
If you haven't already, ...get a copy of Jerry MacNeish's book(s), ...and take pics of everything on the car.
...again, ...congrats on a great find :)

What a find. Thanks for sharing that great story!

Cheers,
Dan

Thanks for all the congrats it makes me feel good to know that I am not the only one to appreciate the story behind the car as well as the car!!! As soon as I get time to go over the car some more I will post some more pics. I did call the grandson of the original owner and left my number with him just in case they come across some more stuff. He did tell me he would ask his dad about the front fenders and get back to me. I did forget to mention that I found a small bottle of the original lemans blue touch-up paint inside the car!! I thought that was pretty cool!!! Thanks guys!!!!!

i hope you already put the car in your name at the dmv..

i love your story!!!!

i had a similar situation when i picked up my 69 convert last year....

at first the owners wife said" i dont want to sell it anymore" this is after i gave a $20k down payment!!!!!!!!

the day i picked up the car the niehbors were all coming out of the woodwork asking alot of question....
how much did you buy it for?
why are you selling it?
ohh.... i saw one sell at barrett jackson for 16 gazillion dollars.....

all that just really irritated me!!!!!!!!

:hurray:

Virtually everyone here is green with envy... great find. Somethig we all dream of....

good luck and best wishes

Car should be worth 20 to 23 if car is what you say it is. If you do not buy car, I would be very interested in car. Good Luck Mark

Car should be worth 20 to 23 if car is what you say it is. If you do not buy car, I would be very interested in car. Good Luck Mark

Wake up gm69dz! He bought the car. Mike. :beers::beers:

wagonman its funny that you mention barret jackson, when I was at the house trying to finalize the deal the original owners grandson was telling his dad and sister that they should sell the car either on e-bay or at barret jackson.

Nice car. Great find!!

Soooo jealous...congrats!

With that old ZL2 air cleaner I am going to assume that car is an original fctory ZL2 car.. even if it isn't , that Z is worth 35k all day long with the original drive train..original AIR equip etc....25k was a great buy. Congratulations!

....that Z is worth 35k all day long with the original drive train..original AIR equip etc....25k was a great buy. Congratulations!

All day......every day.... Just from reading his posts I know that Manny would not sell, and I wouldn't either. If he did he could make 10k on it in a heartbeat... no questions asked. Right now I'm kind of out of it but, if I came across something like this I would snatch it up without even thinking twice. "It's all about the stories" :)

Manny,

Your a lucky man to find a car like that, let alone be able to buy it. Do it right and keep everything as untouched as possible, it's truly a survivor!! Thanks for telling us such a great story.
This is what the hobby is all about.

wagonman its funny that you mention barret jackson, when I was at the house trying to finalize the deal the original owners grandson was telling his dad and sister that they should sell the car either on e-bay or at barret jackson.

Manny,, i know what you mean...

ppl dont realize that you can just bring your car to BJ!!! they are hand selected!to try to keep a variety. they had what? 1500 cars or so? how many do you think they would have if every tom,dick or jerry had there car for sale there?
also i was told you need to have a broker to even be considered.

You don't need a broker to be considered. A broker probably told you that. LOL

Sorry for the high jack, but what is the process to sell your car through BJ?

You can go on the webiste and get all the details. They are probably already filled for next January.

You don't need a broker to be considered. A broker probably told you that. LOL

ook, yeah, that part i wasnt sure of....

Congrats Manny!
I think everyone here will agree you have pretty much found the holly grail!
Can't wait to read more installments!
25K well bought... 35 wouldn't have been bad either

Wondeful story and a great find - but to heck with Barrett-Jackoff. They don't deserve a car like this.

Thanks again guys and I promise I will get more pics as soon as I get settled in the new house. In regards to Barret Jackson, I know they are ruining it for most of us poor people but I did have a chance to go to the auction this year in Arizona and I did see some really amazing cars!! What I did was get a line of credit at the sign-up desk and signed up as a bidder and they gave me a bidder pass and I was allowed to go everywhere. I was allowed on the stage even as the bidding was going on and I must say it was alot of fun!!!!

hi manny...........any chance of getting a picture of the placement for the tire sticker?

There was a 69 Z-28 in Noble Oklahoma a while back. The guy died, and they had an auction for the car. Lots of people wanted it. I don't think it was in any here as nice a condition as that one, from what I heard. It went for around 35k I believe. The guys brother a country music singer bought it. I think it was Trace Adkins. He sent someobdy to buy it.

Joe,

I will get that pic within the next few days. I am away right now but I will take care of it shortly. Its funny about that story of the 1969 z selling for $35,000 because I was just offered that same amount just today!!

Joe,

Its not the greatest picture but I hope this helps!!!



Manny:thumbsup:

I hope everyone had a good summer!! I am sorry for the lack of posts from me regarding my car but due to the fact that I moved to a different home at the same time as when I found this car money and time has been tight!! I want to start cleaning up the car however I have so many questions that I dont know were to begin. I guess my 1st question is what you guys think I should do in regards to the motor. Since it has not been started since 1976 I dont know what course I should take to get it running. I really would rather not take the motor apart if it can be avoided. I have been told by a friend to first take out the plugs and using a bora-scope to look at the cylinder walls to see the condition of them and if all looks good pour marvels mystery oil into each cylinder and let it sit for a while. Then prime the motor and then try to start it. What do you guys think I should do?

Manny

Oh and just to make it clear I am not interested in selling the car but thank you to everyone who made me offers!!!

Wow, making $10K without getting off your duff and not paying taxes on the income, especially in this market-- Hmmm...

Anyway, no need to mess with scopes, etc... Pour either Marvel or ATF in each bore, and thread the plugs back in. Walk away from the car for a month.

Come back with a breaker bar, remove the plugs, and try to turn the motor over by hand. If it moves, put the plugs back in and begin troubleshooting the ignition. You can plan on a new point and condenser; all other stuff, including plugs, will be throw-aways, so just keep them for now.

If it doesn't move, repeat Marvel or ATF, and give it a bit more time.

Get the biggest fire extinguisher you can find, as you may end up needing it. Do all of this stuff outside, by the way...

Remove distributor and prime the oil pump. No need to bother with changing the oil just yet, but if it's low, add a few quarts of cheap.

Don't mess with the carb... No need. Don't touch the float bowl screws or anything. if there's an in-line filter, change it. Add new gas but not a lot, in case the tank is bad. Also, don't drain the tank, as you'll stir up all the crud in the bottom. If the line is clogged, you could always do the aux. tank, but be careful. At this point, see if she'll fire.

If you go through all of this, and it actually runs, add $5K to your price, and sell it.

If it doesn't run, or the motor is seized, take the offer you just received.

Hey guys sorry for the long delay since my last post, been really busy. Well some good news to report. I followed your advise and let the motor soak with Marvel Oil in the cylinders all winter and a few weeks ago I crossed my fingers and tried to see if the motor was frozen. Well after trying to turn the crankshaft I learned it was not frozen!!! Since then I have been turning the motor every few days and all seems good!! I sent out my carb to get re-built (I opted to only rebuild it not repainting or glass beading it as I want to keep it as original as possible) and I have been collecting NOS ignition parts and should be ready to try starting it shortly! I promise to post updates as I get them and once again thank you all for the GREAT advise!!!!!

WOW - That was a long hiatus :D ---- Welcome back from hibernation... a collective finger crossing is in order :thumbsup:

Yeah it's been a while. My problem is I found the car just before I closed on my house and I couldn't pass it up. My house needs alot of work so that has been taking up much of my time and money but now I am getting itchy to get going with the car!

Build sheet on a Norwood car?

alan

Alan, I am not sure what you mean but if you are referring to what I wrote on my 1st post that was a mistake. You have to understand what frame of mind I was in when I wrote that. I had just found the car and I could not contain myself. I was so excited I meant to say that the POP is attached to the warranty paperwork. Also the original owners grandson did tell me that the family had alot of original papers and pics which could possible include the original invoice.

33k original miles...uh-huh.

great find...you stole it!!!!!good for you with all the deadbeats trying to rip everyone off in this hobby,will have 60k in my 69/z when it's done,not including what i paid for it,still looking in the mid-west for a find like that,know a guy that paid 28k for 70 ss chevelle,396/350 hp barn find last fall....he would much rather have your car,.....envy you find,good luck",keep em" original!!

Thanks rh5551, yeah I was just at the right place at the right time. I could never figure out why some people have to say stupid things. I think they say things out of jealousy. Instead of doubting me maybe you could ask me how I know the car has 33,000 miles and I would tell you about the papers the grandson gave me which includes repair bills with miles written on them or the fact the last time the car was registered was 1976 or the fact that I spoke to the neighbor who was friends with the original owner (who passed away) and has no reason to tell me a lie, tell me that his friend George would take him for rides in the car and let him drive the car and showed me pictures of them next to the car and he knows for sure that the car has low miles. Oh well sorry about that I was just venting a little.

Alan, I am not sure what you mean but if you are referring to what I wrote on my 1st post that was a mistake. You have to understand what frame of mind I was in when I wrote that. I had just found the car and I could not contain myself. I was so excited I meant to say that the POP is attached to the warranty paperwork. Also the original owners grandson did tell me that the family had alot of original papers and pics which could possible include the original invoice.

Manny, kudos and congrats to you for this miraculous find!!! Nothing gets the rank and file going like a good old fashioned barn find, better than unearthing a treasure chest of gold!!

I was merely asking as I was/am under the impression that only Van Nuys cars had build sheets stuffed on the chassis somewhere but I think some Norwood cars might have had them inserted too possibly?

Anyways, it sure sound like you have a lot of great documentation, what you decide to do with the car is up to you, the world, or at least this car is your oyster!!

enjoy the ride!!

alan

it's easy to get bent on this site,alot of people have way to much time on thier hands...your car is a time capsule,alot of people would love to go over it with a fine tooth comb...these finds are far and few...keep it.... pass it down thru your family,keep them in the hobby ,it's a great asset...

I am far from an expert, but I cant imagine why the fenders don't have the emblem holes.... I would tend to agree that it had been wrecked in the front.. Still a great find never the less..

Grimey engine-- check
Worn carpet-- check
Non original parts-- check
Stories of theft-- check

And you imply that I'm stupid for not believing it has 33k original miles?

Thanks Alan! Yeah I am the 1st to admit that when I found the car I was not the most informed camaro person but since, I have read a lot of books and online and continue to read the forums on this site and I think I now am a more educated camaro owner! I have decided to keep the car the way it is. I am currently in the process of getting the motor running and then I will clean up the motor compartment and undercarraige without doing any damage if possible to marking ect. I will be asking a lot of questions if you guys dont mind because I am a little nervous as I try to clean parts as i do not want to ruin anything. I do not plan on painting the car only the hood. I promise for all the people who have asked I will post pictures as I move foward and as my car is pretty much unmolested if anyone needs me to take pictures for them to help them with their cars just shoot me a PM or ask on the thread.

alan,
i have body broadcast and chassis broadcast sheets from my O7A norwood car,got lucky and someone put them in the car...

manny,
i have a 66 gto that i am third owner,car was bought to drag race,have a ton of original paperwork,original guy sold it 4 years ago,i saw it three years ago,bought it last summer,44k miles,was body off by second owner,everyone in town remembers car growing up,no one knew what happenend to it,popped up 3 years ago, restored,best part is i had original owner in my office for 2 hours telling me stories about his history with car,...that's the best part of this hobby...history !!!!

Yeah I did get from the grandson that his grandfather hit a short pole in a parking lot but that is all that I know. I am not sure why no holes but I can tell that the grill was repaired on the bottom drivers side and the lower valence was also repaired. As far as the post about the mileage what can I say you just have all the answers. I guess because the engine is grimey it has to have high miles? Maybe being the car has solid lifters that needed to be adjusted by removing the valve covers, oil might have leaked from the valve covers? I dont know... As far as the worn carpet that is just nonsense. The interior of the car is absolutely mint excluding some small wear on the drivers side carpet. And as far as the theft story that's what was told to me to explain the hood and carb being replaced... Who knows I did not make that up I only stated what was told to me but still not a reason to doubt miles. And lastly the only other non original engine parts that I am aware of are the master cylinder and the fuel line from the carb to the brass Y block was replaced. Not bad for a 40 year old car that was sitting in a garage unmoved since 1976. As a matter of fact I was just cleaning the spark plug wires and they are marked 1 Q 1969! I bevieve they are the original wires. Look maybe stupid was not the best choice of words and for that I will say I am sorry but I have no doubt in my mind after looking at all the docs and talking to friends and seeing the overall condition of the car that it has 33,000 miles.

Manny,

Don't do what I did:

I was trying to clean eerything as best I could. When I was under the car trying to get the grease and grime off of my 39,000 original front springs, I made a mistake. I wasn't looking at all angles and, when cleaning around the backside of the springs, I felt something "attached". I felt around for a few seconds and came to the conclusion that it was a band aid or something. So, without looking at it closer, I tugged on it until it came loose. what I cound in my hand was the tag from the spring from the factory... bummer.

Well I was just going by the pictures and the carpet seemed to have a hole by the driver's pad. I guess it’s possible that the miles are right, however; there are so many cars misrepresented by lying sellers that I don’t believe half of what they say, especially if there is evidence to the contrary.

My carpet was trashed when I got it... part of it's "storage life" was spent outside in Oregon, and rainwater ran down the kick panels and thrashed the carpet. It wouldn't have taken too much getting in and out of it to have created a hole in it.

Franko, like I said I am sorry about the "Stupid" remark and I know that when I first posted about the car I was a little excited but like I said the original owner was not the best repair person and did try to repair the front end with not much success. I did not fully explain that while the car was just sitting in the garage, the hood was opened and there was junk on top of the motor including a bag of grass seed!! Also the garage was used regularly for the lawn mowers and bicycles ect. I hope I am not coming off like I am bragging about the car. Please understand that I do love this hobby and my car and hope that someday soon I will be driving it with my kids in the back on a sunday to the local car meets.

Manny- I'm also on long island...hopefully you get that car down to oak beach/ captree state park one sunday morning soon! PM me if you do, I'd love to see it in person.

It's all good Manny. Good luck on the car and your resto.

Dave, I promise that when I do make my way to the old OBI I will let you know!

Manny

I can't read through all of the jiberous but let me share with you the perspective of a guy who on this board has probably played with the 69 Z/28 as much as anyone and owned 6 of them until this year....

You stole that car... if an officer of the law shows up at your door HIDE !! He is there to arrest you for paying way to little for that car:) That is a 35-40k car all day and let me tell you why ...

I keep saying this on every "what's the 69 Z worth " thread . I sold the same color combo , no vinyl top , But with the Rally Sport option and deluxe interior for almost 30K and I had people beating down my door to get to it... oh it had a NOM motor and trans:) Now the RallySport option on a Z is huge to me but you have a car that looks like it is NOT in need of a resto and will clean up well and has incredible documentation .

Congratulations and a great find !

Thanks guys... Hey I was wondering, has anyone ever left the smog pump in place but used a smaller belt that does not connect to the smog pump? I am not sure what to do in regards to the smog pump. Should I use it or bypass it?

Make it a non-functioning smog pump. Do a search on here, there is a lot of information about how to do this.

Thanks guys... Hey I was wondering, has anyone ever left the smog pump in place but used a smaller belt that does not connect to the smog pump? I am not sure what to do in regards to the smog pump. Should I use it or bypass it?

Hi Manny glad to see you're starting to work on the car. If you like email me and I will try to answer some of your question and even stop by some time. You may want to visit our Vintage Certification program @Carlisle this June. We are certifying the following unrestored cars: two 69 aZ28's, 68 Z28, two 69 L78's and a 69 Baldwin Motion car.

BTW I will going to Westbury Gardens on 6/7 Sunday and bring a car and help judge as well. Keep your head up...you have a nice solid car with lot of integrity.

Regarding smog I have my cars set up both ways. Smog systems themselves are very little trouble if operating correctly and don't take away a substantial amount of power. On my non functioning smog cars I removed the vanes from the pump and blocked off the smog tubes. To block off the tubes, disconnect from manifold, apply hi-temp RTV to each tube end and insert roofing nails. The head of the roofing nails are perfect size so the won't fall into the manifold and seal perfect.

Steve

Hey Steve it is great to hear from you!!! I am planning on going to PA so hopefully I will see you there. I am leaning towards leaving the smog pump connected but I have to check to see if the unit spins freely first. I plan on checking it out this weekend as well as doing some engine cleaning. Are there any markings on the motor that I should look out for?

Hey Steve it is great to hear from you!!! I am planning on going to PA so hopefully I will see you there. I am leaning towards leaving the smog pump connected but I have to check to see if the unit spins freely first. I plan on checking it out this weekend as well as doing some engine cleaning. Are there any markings on the motor that I should look out for?


Regarding engine markings, have seen them on the front side of the heads and side of blocks and motor mounts. Be careful not to destroy them....

That car was a great find, thanks for posting. Just came across this one on craigslist and it reminded me of yours http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/1202566959.html

That car was a great find, thanks for posting. Just came across this one on craigslist and it reminded me of yours http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/1202566959.html

Well, that one listed on Craiglist....if its a real Z, it has the wrong colour grill and bezels....maybe thats why its only 49 Grand,LOL. Manny, I have enjoyed this thread tremendously, congrats on a great find.....I still dream of finding one just the way you did....enjoy it.

You know I was just thinking the same thing about the grill ect. I was starting to guess the color of my grill and bezels but kinda figured mine was right. Thanks for all the support guys. I plan on doing some cleaning up this weekend and I will post some more pics as I get them. I was looking at my radiator and it looks pretty corroded inside. It might not be any good. Any suggestions on what I should do if it turns out not to be good? I have a friend that owns a radiator shop and he said that he can re-core it but not sure if I want to do that?

I just finished reading this entire thread, and love it. Congrats Manny and you may you enjoy everything this car has to offer!!! :beers:

Great find Manny and LOVE the color combo - enjoy :beers:

Thanks guys!! Man I can not believe how many camaro lovers there are in this world!! I keep looking at the cars you guys have and WOW!! I guess I am at the right place for knowledge!

Hey Manny where is the updated pictures? Great story and a GREAT FIND. Please do not let this post die..We want more pictures. I just bought my barn find a few weeks ago
Dave

Huh?? $4-$9,000? for a 69 z/28 with POP, $33K and no rust? The Old Car Price guide is way out of touch.

I think $30K-$35K is more in line and I might be low!
Looks like alot of car there. Try to keep it as original as you can.
Thats what I was thinking.

Anyone who thinks that cars only worth 4-9k needs to go ahead and check themselves into the nut house.

wow, nice original car... very similar story to how we acquired this one! Family and family friends fighting over the car, we ended up adding 10k to the offer.
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_z28_44kmiles/69_Z28_44kmiles%20030.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81626&page=2

wow, nice original car... very similar story to how we acquired this one! Family and family friends fighting over the car, we ended up adding 10k to the offer.
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_z28_44kmiles/69_Z28_44kmiles%20030.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81626&page=2very nice!!

wow, nice original car... very similar story to how we acquired this one! Family and family friends fighting over the car, we ended up adding 10k to the offer.
http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_z28_44kmiles/69_Z28_44kmiles%20030.jpg

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81626&page=2
Wow, they don't get much better than that!

Wow, that is amazing!!...nothin better than that!!

Hey Firse gen
Lets hear your story for the start. Lets get a new thread going so we do not hijack this one...:yes:

Hey Firse gen
Lets hear your story for the start. Lets get a new thread going so we do not hijack this one...:yes:

3 1/2 years ago:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81626

edit: missed that he put the link below the pic

3 1/2 years ago:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81626

edit: missed that he put the link below the pic


Thanks Dave just spent 45 minutes reading all10 pages..lol ....loved it!!!!

Hey guys sorry for the slow response. I am happy to say that I have gotten the car running but it was a slow process to say the least. The hardest part to date has been getting my radiator re-cored. Someone on another thread recommended Classic Radiators/Cap-a-Radiator in Farmingdale NY and I could not be happier. They were able to get me a very close to original looking core, remove my top and bottom rails and use my original tanks and it now looks great. I also had my carb rebuilt by allstate carburator re-builders in Central Islip NY and they did a great job catering to my needs. I wanted to have the carb re-built but not re-colored or glass beaded. I am now in the process of making my smog pump which was frozen, into a non-operational unit. I also am starting to go over the entire car to make it road worthy as it has st for so long. The exterior is the same as when I bought the car but I do plan on working on that in the future. I wanted to thank all the people on this site for all the great advise you have given me over the past few years, you guys are awsome!!!!

Wow-just read the whole thread, what a story. It sounds like this car could not have found a better owner. Great find, good luck and enjoy!

Manny,
If you would like to keep any original finishes on bolts etc... invest in a product called Safest rust remover... we used it on almost everything and the original phosphate plating shows beautifully. Then keep it up with Boeshield (available at SEARS in the tool dept) or Cosmoline.

I second the motion on the Safest Rust Remover... that stuff is incredible. Expensive, but worth it.

Did you ever track down any of the old pics from the former owner?

Ok thanks for the tip. I can definitly use that stuff as I really have not cleaned to much as I am afraid to ruin things like markings ect. Where can I buy this rust remover?

When I bought mine (a couple of years ago) the only place you could get it wqs directly from them... they may have resellers now or distributors???

Here's their website:http://www.safestrustremover.com/

Two incredible about this thread, The first being that cars like this are still languishing in storage across the country waiting to be discovered by the right people, and #2, There are those that think he paid too much for the car? Original 69 Z28s must be really thick in other parts of the country...

Two incredible about this thread, The first being that cars like this are still languishing in storage across the country waiting to be discovered by the right people, and #2, There are those that think he paid too much for the car? Original 69 Z28s must be really thick in other parts of the country... Well there is one "expurt" who thinks the mileage is bogus and another who thinks he paid way too much according to "Old Cars" price guide. I looked at the pics and don't see the "caution fan" sticker or the Chevelle "Cowl Induction" emblems on the hood so I'm prepared to take it off your hands for 10K cash anytime you want to unload it. That's a really good deal since it's a bit more than the price guide says it's worth and needing paint & all... well.... Let me know... :D

Yeah it is amazing that people are still finding these cars like I did! I was just at the right place at the right time. As far as what people think the car is worth, at this point I dont think about that because I truly love this car!! I always dreamed of owning one that I would restore but finding a survivor car is way beyond my wildest dreams! I will be totally honest with you guys when I first found the car I had no idea of car values and had very limited knowledge on originality of these cars. That is the main reason why I even posted in this forum (What's it worth) i was just nervous.

Congrats on your rare find! Have fun and be sure to keep us posted with your updates. Nice to see these survivors.

I just saw this thread for the first time yesterday, read it from start to finish. Great find. You're one lucky SOB to get it. Usually when family members start complaining the sale falls through, at least that's been my experience.
I'm more of a semi-modified guy, but I wouldn't do a thing to this car except clean it up and drive it. Very, very nice.

I just saw this thread for the first time yesterday, read it from start to finish. Great find. You're one lucky SOB to get it. Usually when family members start complaining the sale falls through, at least that's been my experience.
I'm more of a semi-modified guy, but I wouldn't do a thing to this car except clean it up and drive it. Very, very nice.

X2 here looked at it all cool find.:thumbsup: agreed no restore - they can be restored several time original only once - any new info on windshield res. bolts and caps - looking for some for my car

Hi Manny
i just read the whole post today.....very cool story.....congrats on the find. i cant believe people buy these muscle cars and then dont freakin drive them for 30 + years??? unreal!!
i bought my 69 RS/SS in 1976....im the 3rd owner and HAVE BEEN DRIVING it for 30 + years!!! :) i couldnt leave it in the garage and watch it gather dust and mice.......

awesome hobby!! have fun!

Mike

I just finish reading your post and it is a great story. But the most incredible thing to me is that I have a double of your car but with the JL8 four wheel disc option. My car is Lemans blue with black stripes and a black vinyl top and a black standard interior.

I haven't ever see another car with the same color combo like mine.

My suggestion to you is to try to keep the car the most original way you can. There are not many cars out there like yours.

Congratulations on that great find !!!!

Yeah I have not scene a car with my color combo also. Usually I see white stripes. I wanted to ask you guys who commented on the rust remover, does that stuff really work like shown on the web page? If so that stuff is magic!!!!!

Cool story with a cool car....congrats on one heck of a find.

Manny, like a lot of others, I just recently read the whole thread. Great story. A little advice. I would not even respond to any negative comments. There are some jokers on here and probably a lot of jealous people. You have an awesome car. Who cares if a few items are not original?

I would not say that you stole the car. That is too negative. I would say - YOU GOT A REALLY GOOD DEAL.

I agree with all of the comments about trying to keep it as original as possible. You may want to improve a few things, but that is totally up to you.