Hey, again, since I am out of the restoration loop these days. I have a car being offered on trade towards the build cost of a big project. I have only seen some pics, but it is a nice looking X11 car, Rally Sport and supposedly SS350 car. I say supposedly because the original motor is gone and a crate 350 takes its place. But the car does have a X11 tag, A 12 bolt and Disc brakes. It is a bule like Lemans blue with a hockey stick and the owner says it is shinny and nice looking, but may have had some reapir work in the quarters. He promises the floors and trunk, rockers, etc are super nice. It is black standard interior which looks nice, and newer black top.

I know in my days with Camaor club, we always took the position that if the original engine was gone, then it was not a original SS350 anymore, but a Camaro with a 350 in it.

So the car is a Factory A/C convertible, SS350, worng motor (but a 500 mile GM crate motor) Rally Sport, Automatic TH350, power top, shinny paint and straight, looks good under the hood black in and orange motor, but no show car, A/C is complete, but might need recharge. that is about all I know right now

Whats it worth? $30K to $35K. I will probably imediatly sell it as I cannot afford to keep another. I know I won't "STEAL IT" and I do not want to "Steal it" as this will end up being a long term build and I do not want to feel like I stole from my customer, but with that said if I can value it at a few grand less then its retail value, and make a few bucks, I am not oppsed to taking I in lew of cash either.

As always, your thoughts are appreciated.

Look for dual fuel lines and make sure the cast dates and suffix line up on the 12 bolt for a camaro. Look for dual exhaust and count the hood springs. Look for the prop valve under the drivers door bolted to the frame. Count the leaf springs.

Some of these will be SS350 or LM1 car only, others will be SS350 only.

Rich

OK, lets assume it is and lets assume it isnt.

Whats it worth as a RS / SS350 with a wrong motor?
Whats it worth as A RS with a 350 motor?

What I hate about selling cars is.... two identical cars can sell for different $ for reasons unexplainable. If you value the car at 35k towards this build, what if you only sell it for 30? $30+k cars are not always easy to sell. I say, have the owner sell it and pay you for the work he wants done. Just my $.02 which ain't much. BTW, thanks for having Scott call me yesterday.

hey Frank..well i have been tossing around selling my rs that is nom...but has a ton of good options..and needs alot of metal work and was told its worth the 20-25 mark in shape its in so i would think this one would be a 30-35k car.i think if you allow him 28-32k worth of work itd be a good deal..

i agree with steve. have him sell the car if you are not planning on keeping it. it will save you a lot of trouble

Look for dual fuel lines and make sure the cast dates and suffix line up on the 12 bolt for a camaro. Look for dual exhaust and count the hood springs. Look for the prop valve under the drivers door bolted to the frame. Count the leaf springs.

Some of these will be SS350 or LM1 car only, others will be SS350 only.

Rich


Rich, Isn't it true that early disc brake cars (Z's, SS's, etc) didn't have the valve on the drivers frame rail and the 2 piece brake line? I thought Kurt S. or someone had mentioned that?

Every LM1 that I have looked at (and they are all early cars) both with power drum and disc brakes have the prop valve. Don't know about early Z's or SS's though I can't imagine it different. Could that be late cars maybe?

Early cars had the valve.

Early cars had the valve.

Thats not what William and others are saying here:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79444

Given you are not planning on keeping it, you should just ask the guy to sell it himself----- it literally won't take much effort or time if he is priced right and as noted, the value is based on the real options (rs vs rs/ss) and condition. If you like to gamble, then give him a $30k credit (assuming no rust) and put it up for sale yourself. It just doesn't seam to make a lot of sence for you to take any risk (in regard to options and condition) to warrant taking the car when the seller has something that is very marketable. Charlie 69 RS

I appreciate everyone looking out for me and protecting the potential down side. The fact of the matter is I need to help him establish a value weather I take it or he sells it as he is looking to me as a expert of sorts.

'69 Convertible drivers with a V8 seem to be going for at least $25K anymore.

I've been looking for one for a while, and most are priced above that. With RS options, and the possibility of SS, I'd say $25k would be the low end.

Thats not what William and others are saying here:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79444


Where does it say in that thread that early cars did not have the valve? It says some did, some didnt. William says It didnt depend on performance.
My car was an original untouched RS/SS L48 VanNuys 11B car and it has the valve and it is Julian dated just prior to my cars build.

So are you saying early cars didnt get the valve on the subframe?:confused:

Thats not true.

Same here, Oct 68 build, close to Jonesy's car, Los car too. I have the valve under my drivers side as well. LM1 car. :) The key is 'some' had it, there doesnt seem to be a logic to which cars got them and why, just alot of assumptions. ;)

Let's keep it on-topic guys. The valve isn't the important part here.

Let's keep it on-topic guys. The valve isn't the important part here.

Christopher, I agree and apologize for hijacking the thread. My point was only to say that the valve on the drivers frame rail can't be used to determine if a car started life as an SS or Z28 because the use of this valve is not consistent. Any future posts regarding this I will put on the other thread. Thanks...