I had points deducted at the Nationals because my trim rings were not original. I am aware that the original ones had clips on the outside because when I was working at a service station in the 70's I damaged more than a few of them putting them on and off....

The rings I have on the car have the continuous inner clips... hard on the paint but they look good and are deep enough to cover the outer rim... and fit close enough to hide most of the flange.... but "not correct"

I went to my dealer (see hinge post) and was given these rings.... much shallower, with correct outer edge treatment BUT a funky inner edge and also an incorrect method of attaching.... a few small clips inside vs the outside ones.... when I questioned him further it seems that the rings were "updated part number" for 69 and 70 rally wheels.....#475020

http://fernandes.gary.googlepages.com/IMGP4775.JPG/IMGP4775-full.jpg

http://fernandes.gary.googlepages.com/IMGP4779.JPG/IMGP4779-full.jpg

http://fernandes.gary.googlepages.com/IMGP4776.JPG/IMGP4776-full.jpg


So the originals REPLACEMENT part looks worse than my repro rings... I can not locate any with outer clips....

any suggestions... do I just keep the repro's and return the .."replacement" GM part?

thanks

Here is where I bought mine. They have 4 clips on the outside edge and the slotted valve stem hole. They are not perfectly correct, but they are much better than what some of the Camaro stores sell. Plus they are in my home town. I can try to post a picture tonight.

http://www.wheelvintiques.com/catalog.html

I just gotta say...I love that garage floor...what type of finish is that?

Here is where I bought mine. They have 4 clips on the outside edge and the slotted valve stem hole. They are not perfectly correct, but they are much better than what some of the Camaro stores sell. Plus they are in my home town. I can try to post a picture tonight.

http://www.wheelvintiques.com/catalog.html


Thats got to be the toughest website I ever tried to navigate lol
Never got anywhere near the wheel trim rings!

Would not mind your pic and a part number

thanks

I just gotta say...I love that garage floor...what type of finish is that?


I'll tell you if you tell me a hint on my question... :secret:

I wish I could help...since I will not entering my car in such strict car shows, I haven't worried about that particular thing. I bought a set of 4 repo trim rings some years ago for my car and I haven't even unwrapped them yet. I would think someone could help you out on here.

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/showphoto.php?photo=1870&cat=500&ppuser=11189
Here are the pictures of my trim rings.

Gary... those are the same as the 1970 upgade rings that I am returning... not quite deep enough and have that inturned edge in the dish... look great on the SS wheel though

Gambitt... the floor is epoxy. Base Coat grey/wet coat grey then sprinkled/day later blew off the sprinkle and clear coat epoxy...profesional painters did it for me.... concrete was diamond sanded first.

Thanks, it looks great. I hope you figure out your trim ring problem.

Gary, I have never seen a 14x7 trim ring with 4 clips or saw any for sale here or ebay. Thats not to say they do not exist. Here is an old post I had trying to identify the correct edge treatment for 14x7 rallys. A few people have confirmed it is the same ring as the SS 5 spokes. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32976

The best I could do was get the NOS 70 versions with the full inside clips.

Here is another post about trim rings http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92186&highlight=trim+ring

Ask and you shall receive. I've got 3 of them on my car. They are not original to my car, but came on a set of 69 YJ wheels I bought on Ebay to mount my bias plys on, the 4th one is one with the little pointed end clips that ar mounted about midline around the circumference of the trim ring like GarryL posted in his link. The wheels they came on are late 68 YJ wheels. I can not verify they are original to those wheels, but theres a good chance they are. There are no numbers of anykind stamped on the rings, or the clips.

http://home.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/MVC-004S.JPG

http://home.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/MVC-003S.JPG

One of them (the one in the picture rattles like a can of stones becasue the metal ring that the clips attach to is loose, or at least it can move a little and every time I hit a bump (or crack or anything in the road) the trim rings rattles. Sounds very impressive.

Thanks you guys! I guess we can put this issue to bed. The original trim rings did have outside clips x 4.

The rings on my car (left pics) are reproductions of the SS wheel trim ring... it has a deeper profile and tucks well into the outer rim leaving no visible rim. Also the profile has an extra edge before it returns into the rim.

The pic from GaryL and the ones from my dealer as well as the non matching one that Mark has are GM replacement trim rings for the Rally Wheel. They differ from the SS rings in that they have a distinct 90 degree edge turned inward in the inner rim. GM p# 475020

And the real winner is Mark with three original Rally rings...

Mark, what is the depth of those rings? 2 1/4" or 2 3/4"? I have a bunch of the 4 clip 2 1/4", but none of the 2 3/4" (with the different edge treatment).

I thought the 2 1/4" rings are for 14x6 and the 2 3/4" rings are for the 14x7.

They are all (even the replacement one) 2 1/4" deep measured perpendicularly. Theres about a 3/4" gap between the rear edge of the ring and the joint between the wheel rim and the part that the wheel studs pass thru. They end roughly equal to the top edge of the circular ridge on the wheel that the centercap clamps into.


There are two types of Rally wheel trim rings used in 69 according to the 1972 GM P&A 30A parts manual.

3934892 - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN STD WHEEL /OPTION P06/1969—71/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ EXC 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE
9796919 - 1969-70/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ WITH 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN SUPER SPORT WHEEL /OPTION N66/

Guess I have to find my 69 version to see if there are any more during the production year.

I thought the 2 1/4" rings are for 14x6 and the 2 3/4" rings are for the 14x7.

Thats what I always thought... apparently not. Despite the fact that the 2 3/4" fills in the rim better IMO.

T


There are two types of Rally wheel trim rings used in 69 according to the 1972 GM P&A 30A parts manual.

3934892 - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN STD WHEEL /OPTION P06/1969—71/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ EXC 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE

9796919 - 1969-70/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ WITH 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN SUPER SPORT WHEEL /OPTION N66/

Guess I have to find my 69 version to see if there are any more during the production year.

The 9796919 changed up to the 475020 that GM ordered for me. 4 inside clips, otherwise exact copy of Mark's originals...

Wouldn't mind confiming a look at the 3934892 ...is this the 2 3/4" and does anyone have pics of the deeper trim ring?

thanks

Wow, this is confusing!

So we have this info for 2 1/4" rings:
3934892(sup by 475020 inside clips) - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN STD WHEEL /OPTION P06
3934892(sup by 475020 inside clips) - 1969-71/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ EXC 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE

And we have this info for 2 3/4" rings
9796919 (sup by 2251945 ring clips) - 1969-70/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ WITH 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE
9796919 (sup by 2251945 ring clips) - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN SUPER SPORT WHEEL /OPTION N66/

To me that reads that for the 69 Camaro the 3934892 ring was used by standard 14" wheels and rally wheels EXCEPT for the 350/300 and 396 engines. Which means to me non-SS rally wheels, ergo 14x6 rallys.

And the 9796919 ring was used on the N66 rim (SS wheel) AND option ZJ7 rally WITH 350/300 and 396 engines (SS models!)

I looked at my 1974 P&A and to further confuse the issue it states:

68-71 Camaro w/rally wheel 3934892 (2.24 offset) (14x7)???
69-70 Camaro (S.S.) 9796919

Any thoughts?

I am going to join Camaro's Anonomous... I need to get a life. Just wanted to make sure if I plunked down some big coin for proper rings... that I got proper rings.... now all I do at car shows is stare at trim rings... weird.

ps maybe my GM part guy made a mistake about the changeup # as it is confusing to anybody... will see him tomorrow to clarify..

I am going to join Camaro's Anonomous... I need to get a life. Just wanted to make sure if I plunked down some big coin for proper rings... that I got proper rings.... now all I do at car shows is stare at trim rings... weird.

ps maybe my GM part guy made a mistake about the changeup # as it is confusing to anybody... will see him tomorrow to clarify..

Kind of like me looking at bolts.:boring:

I would like to see original 15x7 trim rings.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104215&highlight=inch+trim+rings

Hope this helps....:)

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104215&highlight=inch+trim+rings

Hope this helps....:)

Zuma.. now you go and throw 15" at us...thanks a lot :D

I do note from your pics (which are original rings) that they do NOT have the turned in edge at the inner wheel... as seen on the GM replacement pic that I posted....

SO... we are getting closer..

My car is the 350/300 hp... so..perhaps... possibly... I need the SS wheel ring not the rally wheel ring...maybe..:boring:

"""The 9796919 changed up to the 475020 that GM ordered for me 4 inside clips, otherwise exact copy of Mark's originals.""" the 9796919 did not change up to 475020, they are 2 differant rings. I ordered a set of 919s and they are 2 3/4 inches deep compared to the 020 which is 2 1/4 deep. i got the 919s right from gm, they have a continuous attaching clip running about 2 inches in from the lip. am I right to say that although these are gm they are not really N O S because the originals have just 4 attaching clips on the outer edge? Is it worth the $400 when in reality they are not still 100%. please post your thoughts.

This is important....I think I got it backward....maybe it was the 892's that changed to the 475020 which I got that were 2 1/4" deep?! He did not write down the part number but I will see him Monday....

The 2 3/4" deep rings have a different inner lip where it meets the inner wheel... there is NO 90 degree turn inward. Although the GM replacement does have the continuous attachment ring... it is visibly more correct than the repro's because it has the correct outer lip treatment and does not have that funky little notch just as it turns in toward the inner wheel..

The 2 3/4" ring is correct for the SS wheel (which was only offered for a few months) AND the SS cars that ordered the Rally Wheel Option... so it goes in deeper on the SS equipped cars with Rally Wheels..

The 2 1/4" trim rings are Correct only on the Rally Wheel optioned Camaro's that were NOT SS cars....

I know this will start a big controversy but that is what I have been able to surmise so far.... I am sure a LOT of people have the 2 1/4" on their SS cars with the Rally Wheel option BUT I would have to hear from anyone who has the original rings on their car to comment....IMO the SS's got the deeper ring...

Gary, the thinner ring did sup both rings. I had that same issue back in 82. GM stopped making the deeper ring and just used the thinner ring for both over the counter sales probab by the mid-late 70s. A couple of years someone found a cache of the thicker rings part number 2251945 and they were selling sets on ebay. I picked up 3 sets for $277 a set. I'm glad I did! They are identical to the 9796919 ones.

Wheres Fred Ficara and his L78?

I would like to hear from original cars and owners too on this. settle it once and for all. :)

on a very interesting note, here is a NOS 9796919 ring. It has the inside ring clips, not the 4 edge clips! And is identical to the 2251945 ones that I bought, including, edge treatment, inside edge and mounting method. I wonder what the date on the box is?

Hope I am not busting up someones deal :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-GM-RALLY-WHEEL-TRIM-RING-14_W0QQitemZ250147758249QQihZ015QQcategoryZ140745Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I would like to hear from original cars and owners too on this. settle it once and for all. :)

on a very interesting note, here is a NOS 9796919 ring. It has the inside ring clips, not the 4 edge clips! And is identical to the 2251945 ones that I bought, including, edge treatment, inside edge and mounting method. I wonder what the date on the box is?
So would I..!


The pic does not show it well... there is the correct offset on the flange treatment but there should not be an indent also...
Here is a pic of my NON-correct repo...looks a lot like the one on ebay? For sure the correct 2 3/4" should not have the inner indentation but turn in with an edge..
http://fernandes.gary.googlepages.com/indent.JPG/indent-full.jpg

Gary, that indent is there on ALL my GM 2 3/4 rings. Both NOS and used originals. The repros got it right this time. :) The indent is on the NOS ebay one too.

I got a quick response on my date questions

Hi Kevin - On the bottom, there is a seal that says "Consolidated Packaging Corp.", and under that it has 8/28/75. Below that it has 3303. On the side of the box, the GM label has GR.5.871 Ring, and part 1#9796919. Hope it helps

So they were making these at least thru 1975.

Gary, that indent is there on ALL my GM 2 3/4 rings. Both NOS and used originals. The repros got it right this time. :) The indent is on the NOS ebay one too.

Kevin it is no wonder I pull my hair out....
At the GM Nationals they told me that my rings were obviously wrong (-5pts) because of that extra indentation!!!!!!!

That my rings should have no indentation.... like the 2 1/4" type...

I get dizzy running in circles..:confused:

I lot a people (judges too) feel the 2 1/4 edge treatment was the only one offered in 69 camaros, but that is not the case, as you know. But that is what this site is all about, to dispel myths and resolve mysteries :D

Wow, this is confusing!

So we have this info for 2 1/4" rings:
3934892(sup by 475020 inside clips) - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN STD WHEEL /OPTION P06
3934892(sup by 475020 inside clips) - 1969-71/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ EXC 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE

And we have this info for 2 3/4" rings
9796919 (sup by 2251945 ring clips) - 1969-70/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ WITH 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE
9796919 (sup by 2251945 ring clips) - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN SUPER SPORT WHEEL /OPTION N66/

To me that reads that for the 69 Camaro the 3934892 ring was used by standard 14" wheels and rally wheels EXCEPT for the 350/300 and 396 engines. Which means to me non-SS rally wheels, ergo 14x6 rallys.

And the 9796919 ring was used on the N66 rim (SS wheel) AND option ZJ7 rally WITH 350/300 and 396 engines (SS models!)


I guess that sums it up Kevin...
The SS's got the deeper ring....2 3/4"
and when it was not available they substituted the 2 1/4"
and now the mystery appears closer to being solved

added: And post #20 by Zuma with a link to: Z28 15" trim rings looked to be like the 2 3/4" WITHOUT the indentation... and those are original.....
so three styles of rings in 69?

:hurray:

Gary, we still need original cars or owners to confirm. The 14" 2 1/4 and 15" rings had an edge treatment that was very close. So its still only 2 edge treatments.

Heres a pic of a 15 from the other post

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/Zuma1211/P1010070.jpg

And here is Mark's 14"
http://home.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/MVC-003S.JPG

Very close indeed!

Sorry Kevin... must be my old eyes or the glare but I did not see the inner turned edge when I first looked at that wheel... 2 styles?

Original cars please add your comments... we need SS vs non-SS Rally Wheel pics..

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7967/mvc001saz5.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1329/mvc002scy6.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9448/mvc003siw6.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2240/mvc004sih6.jpg

here are pictures of trim rings from a pace car that i have.i bought the car from the second owner who bought it from his brother he bought it new in kentucky. trim tag 05A.hope this helps.

Thanks Z111. Those are the 2 3/4" 919 rings. I do not see any outside clips on those. And welcome to Team Camaro (your 1st post!)

Awesome Z111. My car is a 05A Pace car also. You have made me very happy. My rings look identical....

glad i could help just got done lookin at your car it looks perfect.i have only had my car about a month. is is all original except was painted in 1984. its a four speed 331 posi m20. want to restore it but cant decide it sure is fun to drive.

My feeble old brain doesn't remember any outside clips on Camaros in the mid 70's when I worked at a tire store, just them Corvette's. I thought all the super sports had five spokes like the Chevelle, but my Camaro sales brochure shows dog dish and trim rings... Danged if I know

Jeff

Mark C posted pics of the correct original 4 clip, oval air stem, with the lip at bottom trim rings on page one. These were used/optional on 14x7 rally on 69 ss cars and mandatory on pace cars.

They might have the correct features but are they suppossed to be 2 1/4" deep (like mine) or 2 3/4" deep?

The 2 1/4 trim rings had the 4 clips and fit great on 14x6 rims, but leave a gap on 14x7 rims. The 2 3/4 919 rings that I have (NOS and used) do not. The 2 3/4 rings fit perfectly on 14X7 rims.

They might have the correct features but are they suppossed to be 2 1/4" deep (like mine) or 2 3/4" deep?

I believe they are 2 1/4 which I have seen on survivor cars. As a note my 69 L34 survivor also came with the 2 1/4 depth trim rings.

Then I have 3 original rings and one later production. Not bad for 200 bucks off of Ebay 3 years ago. Oh the trim rings came with four October of 68 dated YJ wheels and 4 centercaps.

My original intention was to find another complete set of YJ wheels so I could have a set of Bias Plys for the weekly cruises and a set of Radials for trips and not have to deal with mounting and dismounting tires. But somehow the bias plys have stayed on the car now for about 3 years, and the old BFG Radial T/A's (mounted on my original wheels) are probably too old now to run safely for any long trips.

This thread has been going in circles...

So it turns out that the judges at the American Camaro Association have reviewed my comments...

Turns out that the 2 3/4" deep rings are CORRECT for my 69 SS afterall!

I don't know if that makes the 2 1/4" INCORRECT but might seem that way for the 14x7" wheel...

Just stirring it up a bit more :thumbsup:

Gary, Any ACA site info or documentation for the updated ruling! :)

I basically showed them the research we had done here and some pics of the rings corresponding to the different part numbers... also the quotes from the GM parts manual. A couple of days ago I got a email from Bud Scolastico that my rings (2 3/4") are correct.

There was no comment as to the 2 1/4" and I was told that the only judging standards were "already available on the website and the judging form" ie nothing specific other that restored with original parts, nos parts or good quality reproduction parts .... etc

regards