View Full Version : Big Brakes Non Power.
XLexusTech Jul 23rd, 07, 08:00 PM Hi. THink I all be decided to go with http://www.touring-classics.com/ for my brakes.
These Kits
C5 or Hybrid Front Brake Kit Drum or Disc for 67-69 Camaro/ Firebird, 69-74 Nova, 64-72 Chevelle/ El Camino
12" Rear Disc Kit for 67-69 Camaro and Firebird
So I was wondering if anyone is using the Manaul brake setup. Also anyone using the Hybrid? Looking for Pros and cons. I like, or better said dislike the big honking power brake booster but dont want a car that wont stop so I am a little concered about manual only. Any feedback on Manual brake C5 setup much appreciated
DjD Jul 23rd, 07, 08:58 PM Nah - how do you plan to drive your car? I have TC front (not the hybrid though) and rear disc's and everyday driving, stop and go, long trips and a parade or slow cruise manual disc real me in with all the stopping power needed. Even a brisk jaunt down a winding mountain road they will keep the speed in check. Where I think there is room to for go the manual is at an open track event or autocrossing.
I recently got to participate in an autocross type event in new vette as well as something less powerful. My leg just wouldn't last if I were driving my Camaro under the same conditions for any duration. Stopping power is there with the TC brakes, it just needs to come easier. Maybe I'm getting lazy in my middle years, I might have had something a bit different to say 20 yrs ago when I was wheeling a mountain bike almost every day and a 50 mile street ride was just something to pass some time...
Call Noel at TC and talk to him, I'm sure he can set you up with something that will make you happy...
XLexusTech Jul 24th, 07, 03:32 PM DjD If I understand you what your saying is you use thier maunal kit and it works fine for you. Excpt if you were doing some heavy driving i.e. Autocross.
I would be using my car for crusing and maybe some light to light Ford Crushing.. :-)
I just really like how clean the brakes look without a booster. Hydroboost is not for me either. Thanks for any feedback
BPOS Jul 24th, 07, 07:26 PM I'm using the hybrid - C5 caliper with a C4 rotor on the front.
Pros:
Slightly larger diameter rotor (13.0 vs. 12.7)
Will fit the popular TTII wheels
Cons:
Thinner rotor (1.10 vs. 1.25)
C5 rotors are less expensive than C4
If wheel fitment wasn't an issue I'd have gone straight C5, but it's doubtful you'd notice the difference driving on the street.
67FamilyFun Jul 24th, 07, 07:45 PM I have the discs all the way around...hybrid...manual. Stops fine. Like Dennis said, I might tire out if I was autocrossing though. Manual brakes take a little more leg.
I've been thinking about getting a performance pad (like Hawk) and seeing if there is a difference. I put performance pads on my truck, and the difference was phenomenal. I'm optimistic that better pads would be just what's needed.
Don't get me wrong, the brakes work great for normal (aggressive) driving in a manual application, but I think there might some room for slight improvement with the pads. I like having a manual only system w/o that big ugly booster in the engine compartment...plus a booster interferes with BBC valve covers.
Noel at Touring Classics is a great guy, running a business the way it should be run...you won't be disappointed.
JimM Jul 24th, 07, 07:56 PM Master cylinder size plays a big part in a manual brake system. As long as you still get enough volume to move the calipers, a smaller bore master will greatly lighten the pedal.
I use a 7/8" master on my wilwood system, and pedal pressure is VERY light, lighter than many power systems, and much lighter than the manual drum system was.
chicane67 Jul 24th, 07, 10:48 PM Manual... and never look back.
I have had three different brake systems on the chassis and they have all been manual. Stock OE 11.xx" 4-piston, PBR 13"/12" and APRacing 14.5" 6pot/13" 4pot. The pedal effort is a cause and effect of the master cylinder sizing... as is the modulation and pedal feel. I have never liked power assisted brakes... the modulation just isnt there.
Although... I have driven a couple of cars with Hydroboost, one with the GM unit and one with the Ford unit. The Ford unit on the 13" PBR system had the best feel and modulation of them all... but was still a little too sensative.
Simple stated: Less is more. Less parts = less out of pocket. Less parts = chance of failure. You kill the engine and need to use the brakes and they are uneffected.
|