We're looking to move, and I'm considering selling my Green rs/ss 396. It's a real 3l 4n TH400 car. Only the 12 bolt rear is original, and it still has the original traction bar. Tach and gauge car. PS, manual 4 piston front disk/rear drum, deluxe interior. Everything works including hl doors, tach, clock.

The car was restored in the mid 90s and looks fantastic for it's age. Mostly original metal except for the drivers quarter. Trunk and floors are original to the car and in fantastic condition.

There are pics in my sig that are relatively old, but still pretty accurate. Here are some of the changes:

original 3 spd auto shifter instead of ratchet shifter
rebuilt original wiper motor and washer pump

Some other recent changes:
new gas tank and sender
All new factory fit harnesses front to rear
New front door panels and gauge housing- have originals in boxes

Overall condition: 1-10
Paint - 8 - some door dings and misc paint flaws
Interior 9-9.5
Engine 9 - 2 minor leaks, 1 at distributor, 1 at drain plug. Both will be fixed before sale.
about 2200-2500 miles on drivetrain.

What it needs :
I was planning on painting it within the next 4-5 years. The pass door and hood could use a re-alignment as well. The car has never been rusty. I have some pics of the floor from when I replaced the carpet and it was spotless.
Seat backs painted.
calipers painted.
Lower drivers hinge - just noticed the spring is gone.
vent window weatherstrip is starting to look a little aged.

That should be enough to get started anyway... What's it worth?

Anybody???

No one likes to be the first to throw out a number in case it's not what you hoped, but what the hey, I think $35-40K is the range.
What do you think it's worth and why?
What is the picture of the MZ block in your album? Is that whats in it?

My plan for the car was to put it back as close to original as possible. I bought the MZ block and a set of heads because they're "date" correct. At some point I was planning on installing them. Currently the engine/trans is out of a 68 Full Size car.

The previous owner was trying to turn it into a drag car, so I've been making a lot of changes to get it back close to original. I've had conversations with the guy that did the resto, and in the 70s the original owner put the engine in a boat and destroyed it so finding it is a lost cause.

My guess was in the 30-40K range, but I'm no expert, and that's a pretty big range. The car retains 90% of its original metal and is in far better than average condition. The paint isn't perfect, but I challenge anybody to find a spec of rust on this car.

Pictures would help alot when trying to determine value. Just from what I've seen the car would have to close to perfect to bring 30K for a 67.

Pics are in my sig

Pics are in my sig

Sorry about that the damn firewall at work won't let me view them.

Pictures would help alot when trying to determine value. Just from what I've seen the car would have to close to perfect to bring 30K for a 67.
I would like to know where you can find "close to perfect" original metal rust free fully loaded real RS/SS, big block, deluxe interior, tach and gauge, disc brake, with good colors, for 30K, and, do they have any 68's (my favorite year) there?

Have a look when you can get past the firewall and see if you agree, the pics look good.

To get the most money, I would put the original MZ block you have in (or include it in the sale) and do some little things to put it closer to original like remove some of the chrome bits and replace them with stock parts

First I want to say, what a sweet ride you have, what a great street bruser. What I am trying to point out is not a knock on the car or it's condition, I really like what I see. This really is just supporting what I try to impart to folks when ask about modifying their car when it has a "pedigree" of sorts. A lot of folks say do what you want and set the orig parts in the corner for another day. I typically agree do as you want, it's your car but I wouldn't if it were mine and here's why... (as well this applies here as to figuring the cars value for resale)

What is the cars value to someone that really cares that it is a real L3 4N car? The car will need some work and $$ put under the hood as well as replacing wheels and tires so the car looks stock. Then it's described as has door dings etc, planned to paint soon. So there is more money that will be needed to bring the car up to snuff. A buyer will have to factor in the cost of that paint job as well...

So lets say a mint '67 BB RSSS will sell in the $50k - $60k range. To get this car there can we say $10k for paint and by the time everything else is done to have this car looking and smelling factory it may have cost an additional $15k. That's still a car without it's orig drive train as stated above.

So now that puts the car's value at $35k - $45k to a buyer and that's baring nothing turns up in actual inspection to increase finishing the car back to as stock as possible... On top of that the market is softening and labor costs are still going up most places... The less the buyer has to do to the car to have it his way the more he will pay, if you want top dollar for your car and you have manifolds, carb, dist etc and a set of rallys put them on and sell it looking stock. You can then off teh speed and bling parts to pad the sale a bit...

The other guy out to buy a car like this doesn't care that it's a real L3 4N car but loves it for what is is as it sits. He's going to find comps in the $30k - $35k range (6 cyl or SB cars with a BB transplant) that doesn't need paint in the near future. This buyer will pick your car apart and try to low ball you...

Well that's my .02, sorry it I was too long winded...

My guess was in the 30-40K range, but I'm no expert, and that's a pretty big range.

I went to just about every Camaro web site I could think of looking for 67 RS/SS BB Camaros. I think your just about right, somewhere between 30 & 40K. I found a couple of BB's that had just recently had rotisserie restorations completed but they were over 40k.

Edit: Got home and looked thru your pics(damn firewalls). Very nice car, looks to be in great shape, not doubting 1 bit. If I were looking for a 67 right now I'd look hard at it. Personally I think the color while I like it will hold the price back, you really have to like it. Knowing it's condition if it were for sale at 35K I'd have to ask myself how bad do I want the car? Can I find a true numbers matching 67 RS/SS BB in this condition and at a comparible price? I'd be more inclined to buy it between 30 & 34.9K, lol.

$25K - $30K without the original motor/tranny/paperwork...

Pictures would help alot when trying to determine value. Just from what I've seen the car would have to close to perfect to bring 30K for a 67.

I always get a laugh when folks say..."for a 67" No offense to you ive just heard it a number of times. Your example of a perfect true RS/SS Big Block 67...id pay 30k for that hypothetical car all day long.

I would say a perfect 67 RS/SS Big Block numbers matching car is worth at least 50k and maybe upwards of 60k.

Your car is not numbers matching and I'm sure youll agree not "perfect" With a little time and effort bringing it back to stock look i would still say you could possibly get upwards of mid thirties

Edit: Read thru Dennis's post after i posted mine..guess i should have just said... "what he said" :clonk:

I wouldn't call it close to perfect from reading his description. Have we forgotten how soft the market is? And 67's none the less have been soft for quite some time. I'd sell my 69 black rs/ss l78 for those numbers. That being said I would say 20's at best. Non matching numbers that's 10k more than you can buy a nice 67 for nowadays.

I would like to know where you can find "close to perfect" original metal rust free fully loaded real RS/SS, big block, deluxe interior, tach and gauge, disc brake, with good colors, for 30K, and, do they have any 68's (my favorite year) there?

Have a look when you can get past the firewall and see if you agree, the pics look good.

To get the most money, I would put the original MZ block you have in (or include it in the sale) and do some little things to put it closer to original like remove some of the chrome bits and replace them with stock parts

I'm in the market for a 67 rs/ss 396/375, and lately I have seen quite a few of the 4N cars. Most that are #'s matching are around 40k, true 4N non matching restored 30K. With your discription and pics I would say around 22.5k and another 2500 with the other motor so 25K

Thanks for all the input guys.

Dennis,

I agree that closer to stock would make it a little more desirable. That's actually the way I've been trying to take it. The last owner removed and lost/sold all the original parts, and over the last few years I've been collecting parts to put it back to stock. Those underhood/interior shots are 4 years old, and it actually looks quite a bit different now. I'll try to get some new pics up today.

As far as the block goes, I have no use for it if I sell the car. I was planning on offering it up to the buyer for a fair price.

Before I bought this car I looked at 15 other "restored" 396 cars, both 67 and 69, and this one was hands down the nicest of the bunch and that hasn't changed. It's not red, but everybody I run into asks about the color. It sticks out from the pack of camaros at the local shows.

If I were in the market for a turn key 67 I'd look seriously at yours it's in really good shape.

A friend of mine knows I've been look at 67's so last weekend he tells me this story. Last year his sister got remarried, the new brother inlaw has what is supposed to be a true numbers matching Maroon(my fav) 67 Camaro which has not been restored. The sister has decided new hubby needs to sell his car so right now we are trying to get as much info on it as possible before we drive 4 hours to go look at it, we don't even know what it is yet so no need to get excited just yet.

I heard a similar story when I got married. My wife's great uncle mentioned he had a camaro sitting in his barn in Colorado. He was planning on restoring it someday, but is losing his sight. Long story short, that's how I wound up with my 327 car.

I couldn't believe how little rust was on the car when I looked at it. Now if only I could get the smell of mouse crap out of it...

I wouldn't call it close to perfect from reading his description. Have we forgotten how soft the market is? And 67's none the less have been soft for quite some time. I'd sell my 69 black rs/ss l78 for those numbers. That being said I would say 20's at best. Non matching numbers that's 10k more than you can buy a nice 67 for nowadays.

Was there a giant crack smoking session on this website that i was unaware of. You say 20s at best (and maybe youre right without knowing the condition/seeing it) BUT your saying thats 10k more than you can buy a nice 67 for nowadays. Ok, so logically i draw from that that you can buy a "nice" 67 for 10-15k. Our opinion of nice must be a long way apart.

Heres another question..whats his car worth if it were the same car/same condition but a 69 vs a 67?
And youd sell your 69 RS/SS L78 for mid thirties?. I bet youd get many takers on that.

Craig, yeah "nice" can mean almost anyting...I've been unable to find a good first gen in the 15K range in my area, and now it's September. I'm not looking for a show car, just a solid plain-jane with good body & good mechanicals. I haven't seen any softening of the first gen market here in the upper midwest...

I was going to say a Million-Billion dollars until I noticed the floor mats aren't original. Now I have no idea of its value.