Pypes has recently finished their new 67-69 Camaro performance exhaust systems and we'd like to offer Team Camaro owners a special introductory price.

The new systems feature;

a totally new tailpipe design for a great fit.

All stainless construction

Quarter panel or rear exit options

3" systems now have newly designed 'driveshaft tunnel' X-pipe.

Optional 304 polished systems for full show cars.

Choice of Street Pro Race Pro or Violator Mufflers

SGF60 2.5" header back System with Mufflers Group Buy $350
SGF63 3" header back System with mufflers Group Buy $399
SGF60SS 2.5" polished 304 header back System PM for price
SGF63SS 3" polished 304 header back system PM for price

http://pypesexhaust.com for more info.

Offer valid until the end of September.

A few of you have been asking about the polished stainless systems. Here is the prices.

SGF60SS $599 with mufflers. List is $735
SGF63SS $699 with Mufflers. List is $850

However, these will not be ready until toward the middle of November.

Some of the 70-81 owners have felt left out so we'll honor the same prices for the 70-81systems. The polished stainless systems are an incredible bargain and are all in stock.

Chris, I've gone to web site and found the SGF-60 system diagram showing two individual mufflers.

May we assume that the "new" redesigned system does NOT include a crossflow muffler option

As I still need to purchase a 2 1/2" system for my 69 Big Block I'm very interested to SEE "a totally new tailpipe design for a great fit". How may we SEE this....

Thanks so much............

I also would like to see pix of a system installed??
is there anywhere I could see this for a 1st gen?:thumbsup::beers:
Thanks

Click on this link and scroll down. There's some first gens in the mix.

http://pypesexhaust.com/pictures.html

I installed the SGF60 system on my 67 camaro last week i have a few issues with it that i am trying to get a answer for . but this price is less that i paid just a couple of weeks ago at the eastern states nationals

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I installed the SGF60 system on my 67 camaro last week i have a few issues with it that i am trying to get a answer for . but this price is less that i paid just a couple of weeks ago at the eastern states nationals

I am not knocking the pypes guys. A local Camaro I have seen has this mail order system on it and it looked good. He said he had to do a little work to get it right though. My qustion is this. If we all have had exhaust work done would we not expect to have to do some tweeking?

I would think so, I just don't think you can get a cookie cutter exhaust sytems and have them bolt right up even if they are made for your specific car. I think most of these systems work good and most people are happy with them but I think it's part that can be hit and miss for perfect fit on every car of the same type. THere are just to many things that can make it not fit right. A 1/8 inch at one end of a pipe can be an 1 1/2 at the other end.

Joe

I WANT and NEED a mandrel bent X pipe, crossflow system for my 69 Camaro Big Block.
I like the idea that the PYPES muffler replicates the ORIGINAL layout.
I am not critisizing Chris C or ANYBODY..............In this day and age of digital cameras, etc is it too much to ask to SEE good pictures of this newly redesigned system, TAILPIPES and how everything is installed and supported........
Some of us on this site actually do care about appearance, details, AND performance!!!!!

I am also interested in BUTTWELDING the polished tailpipe extensions to the main tailpipe section????????? and eliminating the slip fit???????

Again, I mean NO dissrespect to ANYBODY

best regards,

Chris, I've gone to web site and found the SGF-60 system diagram showing two individual mufflers.

May we assume that the "new" redesigned system does NOT include a crossflow muffler option

As I still need to purchase a 2 1/2" system for my 69 Big Block I'm very interested to SEE "a totally new tailpipe design for a great fit". How may we SEE this....

Thanks so much............

Chuck, The SGF60 is NOT a replacement of the crossflow system. That is still one of our best fitting most popular systems. The SGF60 is the new dual mufflers system that replaces our SGF11 that we originally sold as 67-81. The SGF11 did not fit as well as some customers liked so we created a unique dual muffler system for the 67-69 cars. Now we have both systems available for 1st gen depending on your preferences.

Unfortunately for you, we still don't have good enough pics yet to satisfy your curiosity on the SGF70 crossflow system. There is a SGF60 System in the picture gallery.

Some of us on this site actually do care about appearance, details, AND performance!!!!!

I am also interested in BUTTWELDING the polished tailpipe extensions to the main tailpipe section????????? and eliminating the slip fit???????

Again, I mean NO dissrespect to ANYBODY

best regards,

I'm with you. Just haven't had a 1st gen 69 owner in for an install.

There is no reason why you can't cut the EVT59 tip at the expanded end and butt weld it to the tailpipe especially on the polished 304 system. You could then polish the weld and make it look like one long piece.

[QUOTE=Ccass;850546]I'm with you. Just haven't had a 1st gen 69 owner in for an install.


Chris, i was one of the guys that inquired about installing the system on my car on your website but at the time i could not wait 2 months for the install.

Are you still offering the free install and 50% off the kit for 69 camaro?

[QUOTE=Ccass;850546]I'm with you. Just haven't had a 1st gen 69 owner in for an install.


Chris, i was one of the guys that inquired about installing the system on my car on your website but at the time i could not wait 2 months for the install.

Are you still offering the free install and 50% off the kit for 69 camaro?

Sorry, no. The 50% off deals are for systems we havent' tested. These systems are tested and fit with no problem. However, It would be nice to have a 69 Camaro install so we could show how the tips look. Therefore we would offer a free installation of either system you purchased as well as a 10% discount on that system.

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Sorry, no. The 50% off deals are for systems we havent' tested. These systems are tested and fit with no problem. However, It would be nice to have a 69 Camaro install so we could show how the tips look. Therefore we would offer a free installation of either system you purchased as well as a 10% discount on that system.

Chris, let me know what your timeframe is to do this, i may be interested in possibly switching out my flowmaster h pipe system for yours.

i purchased a system from you about 4 yrs ago from carlisle show for my chevelle along with my buddy
Chris Cox who owns the 69 General Lee on your websites photo gallery.


Bill
Beechfront@aol.com

Bill, Other than several upcoming shows we attend, we can work around your schedule.

Can you post some pics of the new 3" system. There are no pics on the site. I used to have your old 3" set up and my 69. The back legs were out way to wide and it hung down a bunch. So I ended up selling the kit and going with your 2.5" kit and it fits great. Wish I could trade in my 2.5" set up for the new 3"............

How do these systems fit with vehicles that are lowered 2-3 inches?

How is the fitment of the new 3" redesigned kit compare to the older kit?

I had read in other threads that getting the old 3" kit to fit could be challenging. What does the new design do to help this?


I have a 69 Camaro that I am swapping in a 489 BBC into and I am seriously considering your 3" polished 304 header back system for my build.

Thanks in advance.

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1970-81 Camaro or Firebird

We need to test both our 2.5" & 3" Exhaust System on a Camaro or Firebird so here is your offer:
Buy a complete Mandrel Bent system, get a 50% discount and FREE professional install from our technicians. (3" system test cars must have 500+ HP)
Chris, I'm only in Princeton area. I could come out there in under an hour. Either x-pipe duals w/full tail pipes & race pros or the crossflow setup. 2.5". For my 77 Z28. No 500 hp, LOL.

Chris,
Any discounts for just a set of mufflers? I need to replace my 40 series flow masters. The interior resonance on these are just terrible. I was was thinking of going with the street pro MVS13 as a replacement. As I understand it, the streetpro offers more of a chambered sound similar to flowmaster with less resonance, the racepro's are more of a straight through design similar to the Dynomax ultraflow's. Does that sound accurate?

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Originally Posted by BlackoutSteve
The two long muffler hangers are for RPO N10 (A3) dual exhaust, and the smaller bracket in front of the tank on the left side (which is missing the lower piece) is for the single exhaust using the transverse muffler. UPC 8-A4

Both dual exhaust systems either using two mufflers (N10) or one transverse muffler (UPC 8) require side hangers which are mounted on the outboard side of the rails, to the rear of the wheel opening.UPC 8-A8-9 & RPO N10-A4

If you plan on fitting the dual muffler system, you won't be using the smaller bracket, but will require the two "tail-hangers", available through most Camaro parts suppliers.

Steve, THANKS for the above explanation............

I am thinking about installing the PYPES 2 1/2" Stainless X-Pipe Crossflow/Transverse Muffler System. Do you think that these 4 stock hangars would supportr the PYPES system, assuming the PYPES follow the same "route" ????

I want to use the generic stainless band clamps(if they would fit), or Stainless U-clamps in conjunction with the stock rubber hangars ??????

I will ask Chris C at PYPES for his opinions on this.

Thanks

How do these systems fit with vehicles that are lowered 2-3 inches?

Sorry, I missed this. You will hit the frame before you hit the pipes. The mufflers do protrude down a couple of inches below the frame but the muffler thickness of 5" determines that. You can't get a better 3" dual muffler system under the car. If you don't absolutely need 3"(550hp), our SGF70 crossflow system adds another 2" of clearance because the muffler is in the traditional place sideways behind the rear.

How is the fitment of the new 3" redesigned kit compare to the older kit?

I had read in other threads that getting the old 3" kit to fit could be challenging. What does the new design do to help this?


I have a 69 Camaro that I am swapping in a 489 BBC into and I am seriously considering your 3" polished 304 header back system for my build.

Thanks in advance.

The tailpipes were totally redisigned. However, we don't have plans to make this system in 304 polished. Just 409 non polished stainless. Here are some pics of the prototype system. http://pypesexhaust.com/gallery82.html

Chris,
Any discounts for just a set of mufflers? I need to replace my 40 series flow masters. The interior resonance on these are just terrible. I was was thinking of going with the street pro MVS13 as a replacement. As I understand it, the streetpro offers more of a chambered sound similar to flowmaster with less resonance, the racepro's are more of a straight through design similar to the Dynomax ultraflow's. Does that sound accurate?

MVS13 $100/pair for Team Camaro members until the end of November.

Ccass,

Thanks for the reply. I ended up getting one of your 3" inch systems (non-polished) systems. Any idea when your tips to go with this system (EVT61) will be available again? I have looked all over for a set and no one has any (including Pypes).

Ccass,

Thanks for the reply. I ended up getting one of your 3" inch systems (non-polished) systems. Any idea when your tips to go with this system (EVT61) will be available again? I have looked all over for a set and no one has any (including Pypes).

I think we made some EVT61 in chrome. I'm checking. Give us a call later today.

Hey Chris, is it possible to order the 3" system for 68' with cut-outs like the chevelle and is there anything I should know ordering from Canada?
tia Roland

Hey Chris, is it possible to order the 3" system for 68' with cut-outs like the chevelle and is there anything I should know ordering from Canada?
tia Roland

You could order these new Y dumps and cut them in along the back legs of the X.
http://pysales.com/images/yvx13s.jpg

they look great Chris, are the also in 409 ss with caps on the end like the Quick Times?

I just noticed on you're site it's called the x-change feature. Is thios not available for my first-gen?

they look great Chris, are the also in 409 ss with caps on the end like the Quick Times?
This pic is a prototype. The actual dumps are polished 304 stainless with a heavier flange.

I just noticed on you're site it's called the x-change feature. Is thios not available for my first-gen?

The Xchange option isn't recommended for 1st gen. The pipes will run under the floorpans which creates clearance issues. The above dumps cut into our F-body X-pipe will fit much
better.

Sounds good Chris, how much are they, how do I go about ordering with the G P discount and is there anything I should expect ordering in from Canada (Toronto area).

hmm I cant seem to find any thing for a first gen camaro under systems on the pypes site?
earliest i see is a 70 camaro?
looking for a 3" stainless polished kit.

I believe this is what the code is:
SGF63SS 3" polished 304 header back system PM for price

So no one else makes the same mistake the GP discount ended in Sept.

Ccass

I sent you a couple pm's

I believe this is what the code is:
SGF63SS 3" polished 304 header back system PM for price
We never released this system. We only have it in 409 non polished stainless. SGF63

Does your crossflow system for the 69 camaro use the stock mounting points? I don't want to drill any new holes.

thanks

...I know the group buy ended awhile back...=(

Does your crossflow system for the 69 camaro use the stock mounting points? I don't want to drill any new holes.

thanks

...I know the group buy ended awhile back...=(

You can re-use your oem hangers on this system. No need to drill any holes on a 1st gen.

Thanks Chris,
Does the 2.5 crossflow system sound like a chambered muffler? I listened to some crossflow clips from your website and the 68 firebird sounded wicked but I wasn't so thrilled at some of the other crossflow clips. No offense but I like the old school flowm***** sound. Will I have to run dual mufflers to get the chambered sound that I want?

It all depends on your motor. The crossflow is a 'straight thru' design muffler designed for maximum flow. Therefore a little of the 'edge' is taken away with this design. However, the bigger the motor, the more aggressive the sound becomes. A chambered muffler on the crossflow system would defeat the purpose of its intent. If sound is more important than flow and clearance, then go with the dual muffler system and choose the Street Pro or Violator mufflers.

You can re-use your oem hangers on this system. No need to drill any holes on a 1st gen.

I can tell you from experience that the factory hangers on a 69 Camaro do not work with the crossflow system......not even close. Both of the hangers in the wheelwells need to be extended about 1" to reach the pipes. The center hangers above the rear axle do not reach to the pipes and also need modification. Be ready to make your own hangers with this system.

Chris aka The Mfg has told me the OEM hangars would fit.........

Can you send me or post pictures here showing the problem or YOUR problem......

I want to install the crossflow system on my 69 Camaro (COPO clone) and was looking forward to utilizing the OEM hangars and OEM hangar mounting threaded mounting holes..

Thanks,

Chris aka The Mfg has told me the OEM hangars would fit.........

Can you send me or post pictures here showing the problem or YOUR problem......

I want to install the crossflow system on my 69 Camaro (COPO clone) and was looking forward to utilizing the OEM hangars and OEM hangar mounting threaded mounting holes..

Thanks,

I do not have pictures with me today but would be happy to take some this weekend. I will try to explain a little better.....the stock mounting brackets/hangers in the rear wheelwells will not reach far enough to the center of the car to attach to the tailpipes. The hangers need to be extended 3/4" to 1" each to reach the tailpipes.

The long hangers above the rear axle will not attach as they originally did to the horizontal part of the over axle pipes. If you look at the crossflow pictures on the Pypes site you will see what I mean. They attach them to the vertical part of the pipe and it does not fit/look/attach well. If you try it you will see what I mean. On these hangers I feel the best fix is to remove the metal at the bottom of the hangers and attach the rubber multi-hole hanger that comes with the kit to the rubber of the original hanger. This will allow it to reach the horizontal part of the pipe.

If you purchase a system and come up with a better plan for the hangers, I would be happy to hear about it. I have my car up on a 4 post lift and this is still a difficult install.

Leonard, I read your comments and feel for you, I am NOT looking forward to going through the same thing, but cant find better/different alternatives.
Chris from PYPES has also informed me that for misc unknown reasons, the PYPES crossflow muffler will not mount exactly parallel with the differential. DID YOU experience this with your install.

I really WANT to use the PYPES Crossflow system for my 69 Big Block COPO clone, as I want the Crossflow to replicate the factory crossflow location and look.
Other than Flowmaster I am not familiar with any other kit produced crossflow muffler system.............

Thanks to ANYBODY reading for adding intelligent, inciteful comments!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65159

I can tell you from experience that the factory hangers on a 69 Camaro do not work with the crossflow system......not even close. Both of the hangers in the wheelwells need to be extended about 1" to reach the pipes. The center hangers above the rear axle do not reach to the pipes and also need modification. Be ready to make your own hangers with this system.

Leonard, I didn't say they would fit exactly as oem. I said you can re-use your oem hangers if you prefer not to drill holes. The long hangers will mount as you said on the vertical portion of the pipe instead of the horizontal portion of the pipe. From a functional standpoint, that is not an issue. We did a couple cars here and did NOT have to extend the small wheelhouse hangers. However, even it the small hangers have to be extended on the top side where it would be quite unnoticable, I don't see the problem there either.

Remember, this system was designed with 'performance' as the number one priority. It is the ONLY 'true dual' 2.5" mandrel bent crossflow system on the market. Which makes it the highest flowing transverse muffler system available by a long shot. If this is appealing, then the small cosmetic differences in the system must be the sacrifice. If the performance aspect of the system is not so important, Gardner Exhaust makes an almost perfect 'reproduction' oem system for the Camaro.

Leonard, I didn't say they would fit exactly as oem. I said you can re-use your oem hangers if you prefer not to drill holes. The long hangers will mount as you said on the vertical portion of the pipe instead of the horizontal portion of the pipe. From a functional standpoint, that is not an issue. We did a couple cars here and did NOT have to extend the small wheelhouse hangers. However, even it the small hangers have to be extended on the top side where it would be quite unnoticable, I don't see the problem there either.

Remember, this system was designed with 'performance' as the number one priority. It is the ONLY 'true dual' 2.5" mandrel bent crossflow system on the market. Which makes it the highest flowing transverse muffler system available by a long shot. If this is appealing, then the small cosmetic differences in the system must be the sacrifice. If the performance aspect of the system is not so important, Gardner Exhaust makes an almost perfect 'reproduction' oem system for the Camaro.


I'm sure its not easy making exhaust but A) why wouldn't you center the muffler under the car? and B) why not include exhaust hangers in the kit that fit the car?

Since you are making the overaxle pipes and tailpipes, you can make them 2" shorter on one side and 2" longer on the other side. That should solve the out of center problem and since you are including hangers with the kit, why not make them so they fit? I don't think that is too much to ask from an exhaust manufacturer.

Leonard, I read your comments and feel for you, I am NOT looking forward to going through the same thing, but cant find better/different alternatives.
Chris from PYPES has also informed me that for misc unknown reasons, the PYPES crossflow muffler will not mount exactly parallel with the differential. DID YOU experience this with your install.

I really WANT to use the PYPES Crossflow system for my 69 Big Block COPO clone, as I want the Crossflow to replicate the factory crossflow location and look.
Other than Flowmaster I am not familiar with any other kit produced crossflow muffler system.............

Thanks to ANYBODY reading for adding intelligent, inciteful comments!!!!!!!!!!!

You are right, the muffler is not parallel with the rear axle but I continue to tweak it to get it as close as possible. The muffler is also not centered in the rear of the car.......if memory serves me correctly, it is off-center to the passenger side of the car by about 2".

Chuck, a couple other things to remember with the crossflow system......the tips are not included in the kit so don't forget to order them. Also, the downpipes (which are not included with the kit) are aluminized steel not stainless steel. The basic kit only includes the X-pipe, mid pipes, over axle pipes, muffler, muffler-out pipes, clamps and hangers for 70+ Camaros.

leonard, good points. One change is that the downpipes are now 409 stainless.

I'm sure its not easy making exhaust but A) why wouldn't you center the muffler under the car? and B) why not include exhaust hangers in the kit that fit the car?

Since you are making the overaxle pipes and tailpipes, you can make them 2" shorter on one side and 2" longer on the other side. That should solve the out of center problem and since you are including hangers with the kit, why not make them so they fit? I don't think that is too much to ask from an exhaust manufacturer.


The bends to make one pipe come in to the muffler on the top and the other come in on the bottom and vice versa on the exit pipes were very tricky to make. A mandrel bending machine needs a minimum of 6" of straight pipe before a new bend can be started. It's not that we got lazy, we're just working within the limits of the technology we are using. Remember I said nobody else has a system like this? There's a reason for that.
As far as the hangers are concerned, we might consider 'our stainless version' of the oem hangers but right now we haven't committed to it because it is usually not an issue. Keep in mind, the more oem products we add to a system, the more expensive the system becomes.

Chris, Leonard or anybody, Can anybody agree that cutting off the slip fit portion of the polished extension...........and butt TIG welding to down "409" tailpipes will work to more replicate a stock look.......
OR am I all wrong because there wont me enough material , after I remove the slip fit.

Chris, I LOVE ya for all the effort............but sure wish ya could have fabbed a ONE piece Mandrel Bent stainless 2" tailpipe ala the StainlessWorks or Gardner (not mandrel)
IF the material is there, I am determined to make your parts LOOK better.
May I assume the NEW 409 downpipes (tailpipes) can be polished like the polished extensions???????????

Thanks, Chuck

Chris, Leonard or anybody, Can anybody agree that cutting off the slip fit portion of the polished extension...........and butt TIG welding to down "409" tailpipes will work to more replicate a stock look.......
OR am I all wrong because there wont me enough material , after I remove the slip fit.

Chris, I LOVE ya for all the effort............but sure wish ya could have fabbed a ONE piece Mandrel Bent stainless 2" tailpipe ala the StainlessWorks or Gardner (not mandrel)
IF the material is there, I am determined to make your parts LOOK better.
May I assume the NEW 409 downpipes (tailpipes) can be polished like the polished extensions???????????

Thanks, Chuck

Yes, when you cut the expanded section off and butt connect it, the tip is still basically in the same place give or take a quarter of an inch.

409 stainless can be polished to a mirror finish. However, it will require occasional attention to maintain the luster.

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I had to re-fabricate factory hangers when Ive installed Flowmaster kits. Ive sold Pypes crossflow systems but I have not installed one yet and customers have not called with issues, not to say they didnt call Pypes tech but i usually get the first call. Pypes is the best Flowing and best looking crossflow that I know of. If your looking for exact factory looks but 2.5" mandrel bent, good luck

Jason this post is 6 months old I dont know if you saw the date just checking.