Hello, I'm restoring a correct z28 with motor, trans, rearend, shifter,dist,waterpump, and alt all matching. The car has all GM sheetmetal except for the floor pans and a trunk pan. This is an orange with yellow houndstooth interior per the firewall tag. It also has the center mounted fuel gage minus the console. Otherwise it's a plain z28. This will be an excellent car proffessionally restored using original rechromed bumpers and trim. NOS wheel trim and emblems. I'm just curious if the interior color and fuel add value to the car. Thanks for any help.

Can you please post a picture of your trim tag? It would be great to keep for record purposes. To answer your specific question, the color combo is very unique and may make the car a "1 of 1" which would raise the value of the car. What may lower the value of the car is the fact that orange and yellow together is not a very appealing color combination as the do not compliment each other.

For example, there is one fellow who has been trying to sell his black Z/28 with orange houndstooth for 6 years now and the person he bought it from had tried to sell it for a year before him. There was also a black big block car with yellow houndstooth that took a while to sell even though it may also have been a "1 of 1" car. I think those cars are for guys who already have another car for daily driving and want something very unusual. It would be a fantastic car to take to all the shows and gatherings. You do have a unique car and I would love to see pics of it. You should also try and find the original owner and ask him why on god's green earth did he order the car like that. I am sure there is a great story behind it.

The center mount fuel guage is fairly uncommon. I love it, especially with non-console cars but guys still prefer the console with gauges option. Although rare, it is not as desireable as having the U17 option so I would say no, your car is not worth more because of it.

.......For example, there is one fellow who has been trying to sell his black Z/28 with orange houndstooth for 6 years now and the person he bought it from had tried to sell it for a year before him. ........

What is the asking price?

What is the asking price?


6 years ago by previous owner - $35k USD
6 months ago by the fellow who owns it now - $225 USD :disco:

I think if it was mine and I'm 100% original guy I would do black or maybe orange houndstooth. How about painting the car Daytona yellow and keeping the yellow interior. Yellow is a very desirable color. In this case I do not think it would hurt the value of it and it might actually help it. I would love to see a picture of that. Goodluck whatever you decide.

6 years ago by previous owner - $35k USD
6 months ago by the fellow who owns it now - $225 USD :disco:

I don't think it is the color combination.....Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd bet the guy who owns it now probably wasn't in the hobby back in 1993 or 1994...probably a speculator
(like a ton of guys) who seem to think these cars are overly rare...legit '69 Z's or BB's aren't rare and like it or not they were massed produced American cars...not European exotics...

Rare color combinations really don't equate to a 200-500% price increase...if he is seriously trying to get 225k for a 65-75k car (unless it is a super low mile, very highly optioned, DOCUMENTED car)...that is funny...and frankly sad...Another example of why many are moving away from "original" cars...

6 years ago by previous owner - $35k USD
6 months ago by the fellow who owns it now - $225 USD :disco:

You can probably get more for it during Halloween.

6 years ago by previous owner - $35k USD
6 months ago by the fellow who owns it now - $225 USD :disco:

LOL. I don't think the color combo has much to do with the non-sale.:clonk:

(like a ton of guys) who seem to think these cars are overly rare...legit '69 Z's or BB's aren't rare and like it or not they were massed produced American cars...not European exotics...

"Massed" produced or not I would take a 69 BB or Z car over ten European exotics. :thumbsup:

Would this be that car ???

http://www.camaroheaven.net/CarsForSale/1969_Z-28_Tuxedo_Black/index.html

The only other 72/714 Ive ever known of:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80656

I am surprised to see that their is actually another one with this color combo. I just wonder if this is really the way these were ordered or if it is just a mistake on the interior codes on the tags? I would be interested to see this tag to know if it was built at the same plant, maybe even close together. It may be a long shot but I'm still curious. Please post a picture of the tag or at least the info. on it. BTW it is a friend of mine that has the other one that was talked about in the link provided. Also, does yours still have the original interior or any signs that it really was yellow?

(like a ton of guys) who seem to think these cars are overly rare...legit '69 Z's or BB's aren't rare and like it or not they were massed produced American cars...not European exotics...

"Massed" produced or not I would take a 69 BB or Z car over ten European exotics. :thumbsup:

Bisquito, you're on drugs... Greg2001LS6 is right-on with his assessment.

Who gives a rat's arse about some God-awful color combination for the sake of rarity?

Even funnier, while we're talking about European exotics, is that collectors/buyers/restorers/owners of those cars don't get their panties in a bunch over non-matching numbers and/or color codes. They do what they want, and any changes/repairs are craftsmen-made, such as color changes or engine/suspension upgrades. Thus, they have fun with an eye on improvement, rather than extort each other for numbers-matching junkyard parts and/or screw each other with phony tags and made-up paperwork.

Kudos to you Greg...

Bisquito, you're on drugs... Greg2001LS6 is right-on with his assessment.

Who gives a rat's arse about some God-awful color combination for the sake of rarity?

Even funnier, while we're talking about European exotics, is that collectors/buyers/restorers/owners of those cars don't get their panties in a bunch over non-matching numbers and/or color codes. They do what they want, and any changes/repairs are craftsmen-made, such as color changes or engine/suspension upgrades. Thus, they have fun with an eye on improvement, rather than extort each other for numbers-matching junkyard parts and/or screw each other with phony tags and made-up paperwork.

Kudos to you Greg...


You mean Europeans don't buy tranny shifter bolts for $800.00 on Ebay? ;)

Even funnier, while we're talking about European exotics, is that collectors/buyers/restorers/owners of those cars don't get their panties in a bunch over non-matching numbers and/or color codes. They do what they want, and any changes/repairs are craftsmen-made, such as color changes or engine/suspension upgrades. Thus, they have fun with an eye on improvement, rather than extort each other for numbers-matching junkyard parts and/or screw each other with phony tags and made-up paperwork.

Kudos to you Greg...
Do you base this on personal experience? Maybe you are on drugs. Not only are the same fake trim and vin tags on euro cars , the price tags are extreemly higher 150k-1mm dollars. A car just sold at auction last month for 810k.. 890k with commission and there is already a law suit started as of this week.Car is now beleived to be a complete rebody with fake VIN and trim tag.
Maybe you should stick to talking about American cars.. you seem to know even less about European built cars

Hylton .. they do pay 2500 for oil filters and 3500 for conecting rods.... for a 6 banger

I for one am Moving to the 5th generation convertible camaro.
I,m still going to keep my 69 camaro and 67 Chevelle.
The way prices are going up because people think they have something rare. It be different if you could not rebody ,retag or counterfiet a 69 camaro. But there are pros out there making big money on these kinds of cars ,and you will not be able to tell the difference.
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Just my opinion......Thanks

How can you take anything seriously from this guy when his location is listed as Anus, Nebraska.


It's obvious he is only on here to ruffle peoples feathers.

Bisquito, you're on drugs... Greg2001LS6 is right-on with his assessment.

Who gives a rat's arse about some God-awful color combination for the sake of rarity?

Even funnier, while we're talking about European exotics, is that collectors/buyers/restorers/owners of those cars don't get their panties in a bunch over non-matching numbers and/or color codes. They do what they want, and any changes/repairs are craftsmen-made, such as color changes or engine/suspension upgrades. Thus, they have fun with an eye on improvement, rather than extort each other for numbers-matching junkyard parts and/or screw each other with phony tags and made-up paperwork.

Kudos to you Greg...

This is a Camaro forum Mr. Mullet, not European exotics, oh it's camullet.. Not much of a typist, sorry.

I build these cars because I love them! I don't give a rats a$$ what they are worth!!!

I'll try to get pics of the cowl tag. The owner of the car bought it in the early 80's with original paint and interior. He stored it for all these years untouched at his house. He had a pic when he bought the car. It had the original yellow houndstooth in it when I tore it down last winter. To be honest the colors look kinda sharp together. They are unique and didn't look as ugly as you'd think. Much better color than some of the brown or green interiors of a buick gs. I also talked with the previous owner since the car was local. The dealer sticker is local also. The previous owner had it a little while but not long. He wheeled and dealed in cars. I was curious if the colors would hurt value or help it.

I'll try to get pics of the cowl tag. The owner of the car bought it in the early 80's with original paint and interior. He stored it for all these years untouched at his house. He had a pic when he bought the car. It had the original yellow houndstooth in it when I tore it down last winter. To be honest the colors look kinda sharp together. They are unique and didn't look as ugly as you'd think. Much better color than some of the brown or green interiors of a buick gs. I also talked with the previous owner since the car was local. The dealer sticker is local also. The previous owner had it a little while but not long. He wheeled and dealed in cars. I was curious if the colors would hurt value or help it.

That color combo is very unusual but it might not be that bad. I would drive it! :thumbsup:

Bisquito, you're on drugs... Greg2001LS6 is right-on with his assessment.

......... rather than extort each other for numbers-matching junkyard parts and/or screw each other with phony tags and made-up paperwork. .......

Oh really? They are so much more honest than their American counterparts? That seems like a drug induced thought. Where there is money to be made people are all the same. I have worked with many europeans from different countries and I have liked them all. But, they all have the same thought. We Americans are backwards, wrong, don't understand the world. Funny they are saying it here and not in their country. Slightly off topic, but I needed to make that counter-point to yours.

If you are so knowledgeable about "european anything" show us what you know. What european cars ( or anything) do you own? I seems you are only here to antagonize. I have yet to see a helpful or friendly type of post from you at all. Is Anus, Nebraska where you live or where your head is? If your posts were deleted and mine was deleted this was actually an intesting topic. BISQUIT037 is actually a Camaro enthusiast, what this site is about. You don't seem to understand that.

Sorry mods.

I would post some pics of the interior and plate if someone can help me though it. I don't see anywhere on here that allows me to do it. Thanks.

JCR....email the pics to me and I'll put them up. email is adkidder@us.ibm.com

-adam

Gary,

I did not say anything about honesty, you did. What I said is that european-car enthusiasts make updates, improvements, color changes, etc., and it enhances the value of their cars instead of hurting them. Look at Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes-- They are all upgradable witl later-model parts because they were modern when they were made in the '60s and '70s; mechanical upgrades are for enhanced drivability and performance, and color upgrades/interior changes are for personal preference. These enthusiasts could care less about matching number engines, transmissions, etc., because a change from a 2.7 to a 3.0 liter motor will result in more fun, and a change from a 4-speed Getrag to a 5-Speed Getrag results in more flexible performance.

Remember, those guys also don't care about putting miles on their cars because they actually drive them. A novel concept, eh?

With the Camaro, as well as other Chevys and domestics, people are screwing each other with cowl tags and re-stamps, fake paperwork, and made-up pedigrees... So much so that there isn't a line between the genuine article and smoke-and-mirrors anymore. In my opinion, every Z/28, SS, COPO, or Pace Car is suspect as a fake... Here is a great example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-RS-Z-28-Project-Car_W0QQitemZ180160736501QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6161QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Check out the panel gap, and the overall mess that this thing is. You can't tell me that this isn't some swamp-thing mess that would NEVER ride, run, or handle correctly. This is the kind of car that blue-hairs trade amongst themselves once restored, and never drive, because it will never be right.

This is all because of those people that are pulling crap that should be sent to the metal recycler out of Uncle Bob's garage, and thinking they are sitting on their retirement.

These are the simple facts on all counts; you can choose to think whatever you want about them.

C'mon guys....this is a pretty cool thread about a rare car. Lets not kill it with banter like this.

[QUOTE=Camullet;856347]european-car enthusiasts make updates, improvements, color changes, etc., and it enhances the value of their cars instead of hurting them. Look at Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes-- They are all upgradable witl later-model parts because they were modern when they were made in the '60s and '70s; mechanical upgrades are for enhanced drivability and performance, and color upgrades/interior changes are for personal preference. These enthusiasts could care less about matching number engines, transmissions, etc., because a change from a 2.7 to a 3.0 liter motor will result in more fun, and a change from a 4-speed Getrag to a 5-Speed Getrag results in more flexible performance.

Remember, those guys also don't care about putting miles on their cars because they actually drive them. A novel concept, eh?[QUOTE]

C'mon Camullet (Firmullet?),
Are you really that ignorant to think there is such a line between European and American car enthusiasts?
Americans do the same thing, have you hear of Pro Touring and Power Touring?
And there certainly are European's keeping or returning rare and valuable models to factory specs in order to maintain or increase value.
The line is more along rare vs common models and has nothing to do with nationality of the car or owner.

Gary,

I did not say anything about honesty, you did. What I said is that european-car enthusiasts make updates, improvements, color changes, etc., and it enhances the value of their cars instead of hurting them. Look at Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes-- They are all upgradable witl later-model parts because they were modern when they were made in the '60s and '70s; mechanical upgrades are for enhanced drivability and performance, and color upgrades/interior changes are for personal preference. These enthusiasts could care less about matching number engines, transmissions, etc., because a change from a 2.7 to a 3.0 liter motor will result in more fun, and a change from a 4-speed Getrag to a 5-Speed Getrag results in more flexible performance.

Remember, those guys also don't care about putting miles on their cars because they actually drive them. A novel concept, eh?

With the Camaro, as well as other Chevys and domestics, people are screwing each other with cowl tags and re-stamps, fake paperwork, and made-up pedigrees... So much so that there isn't a line between the genuine article and smoke-and-mirrors anymore. In my opinion, every Z/28, SS, COPO, or Pace Car is suspect as a fake... Here is a great example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-RS-Z-28-Project-Car_W0QQitemZ180160736501QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6161QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Check out the panel gap, and the overall mess that this thing is. You can't tell me that this isn't some swamp-thing mess that would NEVER ride, run, or handle correctly. This is the kind of car that blue-hairs trade amongst themselves once restored, and never drive, because it will never be right.

This is all because of those people that are pulling crap that should be sent to the metal recycler out of Uncle Bob's garage, and thinking they are sitting on their retirement.

These are the simple facts on all counts; you can choose to think whatever you want about them.

Your ignorance and lack of knowledge regarding american muscle cars and this hobby is astounding. I think a great American said it best "It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain ...

It is obvious Mr. Anus (Nebraska) is just doing this as a warped way of amusing himself. We get these people every once in a while. That is fine if that is what he chooses. I think it is best if we join the other 12,000 TC members who have ignored him so far.

Gary,
What I said is that european-car enthusiasts make updates, improvements, color changes, etc., and it enhances the value of their cars instead of hurting them. Look at Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes-- They are all upgradable witl later-model parts because they were modern when they were made in the '60s and '70s; mechanical upgrades are for enhanced drivability and performance, and color upgrades/interior changes are for personal preference. These enthusiasts could care less about matching number engines, transmissions, etc.
Remember, those guys also don't care about putting miles on their cars because they actually drive them. A novel concept, eh?

With the Camaro, as well as other Chevys and domestics, people are screwing each other with cowl tags and re-stamps, fake paperwork, and made-up pedigrees... So much so that there isn't a line between the genuine article and smoke-and-mirrors anymore. In my opinion, every Z/28, SS, COPO, or Pace Car is suspect as a fake...

I am going to go the other way on this.. I think CMullet is trying to explain in earnest his feelings about the hobby... all I can say is that based on first hand experience I feel that you are a off on your assement . Go to the Lateral G web site and you will see guys who have 60s and 70s american cars that they are pro touring from mild to wild. Clill on our board is an excellent example of a person who has some incredible factory original 60's muscle cars but also has some 50's and 60's pro tour cars. It is important to him that his factory cars are the real deal and it is important to him that his pro tour stuff is reliable and perform on an extreem level because he drives them and tracks them.

A high level pro tour first gen commands a higher price than a a nice 69 Z/28. On the Lateral G forum a Canadian member just bought "FUEL" a 69 pro tour Camaro . The asking price was well over 100k . he bought the car than proceeded to drive the car 2500 miles home. In Montana he averaged 135 mph for 15 min straight. There is a thread with photos of the whole trip.Sounds a little like these Euro car guy you are describing doesn't it ? :)

Go to Pelican Parts web site . They have a forum like this one. Read about the fake Porsche RS a guy purchased in Europe... he took it to the Porsche factory for restoration only to recieve a phone call from them to say " your 300k 73 Porsche RS is really built out of a 10,000 dollar 1973 911T " Look at my signature. I know first hand about some of these Euro cars. I just raced my Porsche 935 at the Monterey Historics and am very in tune to that segment of the car world and the fakes are there too , only the numbers are much higher on average than a first gen Camaro. Sounds a little like the first gen scum that are faking cars doesn't it ? :)

Cmullett I am glad you are here contibuting and have no problem wth you at all . I would only suggest you put down a real location for a city. Your choice just aking you to conisder is all.

sorry for the rant .. on the subject car all I can say is I would love to met the person who ordered the car that way. Would love to know why they ordered a car in that color combo.Of course it was still the 60's so....

I will say that I saw a girl at the beach a few weekends ago wearing a bikini in the same color combo. She looked pretty darn good so imagine the car probably would too :) Any photos available ?

I will say that I saw a girl at the beach a few weekends ago wearing a bikini in the same color combo. She looked pretty darn good so imagine the car probably would too :) Any photos available ?


Ya, any photos available? ;)

I was at the same beach as Van that day. We seem to have a difference of opinion on women. He did ask me to take a picture of her, though I didn't really see the point. Not my taste, but to each his own... Here she is Van... she's all yours:























http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g279/dreamweaver11/Stupid%20Stuff/fat-bikini.jpg

I was at the same beach as Van that day. We seem to have a difference of opinion on women. He did ask me to take a picture of her, though I didn't really see the point. Not my taste, but to each his own... Here she is Van... she's all yours:

Looks like your backyard Kalifi . I now see your taste is consistent with your cars .... Like I said...the beach and the subject colors, yellow and orange..... testing to make sure the RS headlight doors worked

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/avatar_sexy_009-3.gif

Here is her sisters...more then enough to go around...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/Zuma1211/FatDames.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/Characters/downhill1067143125.jpg

Sorry all...... kinda lost it on that one. ChevyThunder opened the door, Hylton played the straight man, and I couldn't resist. OK - back on track:

The thing I have wondered about ever since I started exploring this hole (sic) hobby is the "rare" aspect. If it was so rare then it means it was either not desirable or not justifyable (features to option price). I can see that with an expensive option back in the daythat there would be a smaller demand for a specific option. :ilewise, if an option was seen as unwanted it would also be "rare".

I have no idea what it cost back in the day, but if a crossram cost $500 as an add on, that would amount to a 15% or 20% upcharge... I can see why there weren't too many. That one brings huge money today so it could be considered an oprion that held its own.

A yellow on orange car... it would have to be a love / hate thing. Today I don't think it would command much for its "option value" for the sake of the option, other than for it's uniqueness and rarity. I don't see how it could be construed as a desirable option.

I guess it's all a matter of personal preference. There is someone out there who would think a yellow on orange car would be the coolest thing going, and would be willing to pay a preimum for it. But, IMO, th e market for it is small.

A 72/714 car would be kind of interesting.


For someone else to own.

ouch!...that picture gave me a headach! ouch...

It's sad what happened to this thread. Guess things like this are why I lurk more than post?

Hopefully it will end, or stay on topic.

Good luck.

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Rick

Well said, it is sad.

I apologize for the egregious offense... I had no idea the color of the interior and its relational aspect to the paint color was such serious topic that a bit of comic relief would be considered an abberation to matters of such consequence. In the future I will try to remember to reserve my off-topic posts for other venues.

However, that being said, I did do a mea culpa without any prodding, so I fail to see how a psuedo flame is in order? Be it as it may, I take full responsibility for my anomalous behavior and, in so doing, I even did my best to right the ship and get the thread back on track. So I'll leave this thread alone and allow the more astute members to wax eloquent on this topic.

I apologize for the egregious offense... I had no idea the color of the interior and its relational aspect to the paint color was such serious topic that a bit of comic relief would be considered an abberation to matters of such consequence. In the future I will try to remember to reserve my off-topic posts for other venues.

However, that being said, I did do a mea culpa without any prodding, so I fail to see how a psuedo flame is in order? Be it as it may, I take full responsibility for my anomalous behavior and, in so doing, I even did my best to right the ship and get the thread back on track. So I'll leave this thread alone and allow the more astute members to wax eloquent on this topic.

Kalif,
I for one appreciate your humor. Please don't stop, I need a good laugh once in a while.

Doug