Ok...for years the "Experts" on this site have bashed the owners of cars who put the stripe under the spoiler and ended at the trunk lid edge. All said its irks them to no end. So...I go to this site and scroll down about the spoiler info and low and behold...a vintage picture of a Camaro rear with the stripes on the deck lid under the spoiler! So, can anyone tell the REAL truth or are we going to be told untruths ? Will a basher admit that they were WRONG... well I think not. See the link and you decide!
Kev

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/articles/article_fs.htm

P.S. Click on the photo of the Camaro rear picture to go to the spoiler info.

On 69's the stripes ended under the spoiler on "factory" supplied spoiler cars.....many cars did indeed have factory stripes bur were not ordered with the D80 spoiler option.....In that case either the dealer or owner added the spoiler at a later time...

Maybe the 67's were different.......However I am sure there were tons of aftermarket spoilers installed......Funny they would use that pic if it is isn't correct!

Dan

Since there were no FACTORY spoilers on 67's all vintage pictures of 67 Z's with spoilers will have the paint on the trunk lip. The picture of the white(?)? 67 with the rear spoiler isn't even a production spoiler, that thing is at least half again as tall as a factory spoiler. I beleive that tha car is the LM-640 mule that was used to convince GM to market the Z28, its a mid October of 66 built car. The 69 on the dyno has the correctly painted factory spoiler equipped stripes.

I read the whole D80 spoiler option article...intersting,but I was wondering if any of the 69 guys had a car with the narrow 68 spoiler that they talk about,it was on the early production 69's.In all of the multiple discussions on this topic I have never heard that one.

Ok...for years the "Experts" on this site have bashed the owners of cars who put the stripe under the spoiler and ended at the trunk lid edge. All said its irks them to no end. So...I go to this site and scroll down about the spoiler info and low and behold...a vintage picture of a Camaro rear with the stripes on the deck lid under the spoiler! So, can anyone tell the REAL truth or are we going to be told untruths ? Will a basher admit that they were WRONG... well I think not. See the link and you decide!
Kev

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/articles/article_fs.htm

P.S. Click on the photo of the Camaro rear picture to go to the spoiler info.


I think you've selectively pulled info and labeled some here as "experts" that lead you to your assumptions. It's fairly common knowledge that there are factory spoiler cars and there are dealer added spoiler cars.

Here's the way I've heard it here and understand it.

1> The dealer added spoiler would have been installed on top of the factory stripes that were finished off on the trunk deck lip.

2> The stripes were painted after the factory equipped spoiler was installed and stripe paint was finished off on the spoiler.

I read the whole D80 spoiler option article...intersting,but I was wondering if any of the 69 guys had a car with the narrow 68 spoiler that they talk about,it was on the early production 69's.In all of the multiple discussions on this topic I have never heard that one.

Around 1980 I had a '69 SS original BB car that had the short spoiler. It was an Oct. '68 built Van Nuys car. Can't remember if the stripes went under the spoiler, I do remember it had a blacked out tail panel. I've got a few pictures of it, I'll have to take a look sometime.

Doug

Around 1980 I had a '69 SS original BB car that had the short spoiler. It was an Oct. '68 built Van Nuys car. Can't remember if the stripes went under the spoiler, I do remember it had a blacked out tail panel. I've got a few pictures of it, I'll have to take a look sometime.

Doug

I know D90 (hockey stripe) was standard on the SS, other than Z11 and Z10 SS (pace car and a limited prod coupe) could you get an SS with Z/28 stripes?

OK :)

Kev

BTW Dennis...

The "EXPERTS" that I was referring about are not the real experts here..its the know-it-all ones that I and talking about. And yes..I can generalize when it comes to them :)

Kev

Who needs to rely on opinion? The AIM clearly shows Z/28 striping ending on the spoiler, not on the lip of the trunk lid.

Also there were several Z/28 road tests featured in Hot Rod, Car Life, SCG, Popular Hot Rodding and they all show no stripes on the lip of the trunk lid. All period photos of the Festival Pace Cars show the same. Plus there are hundreds of survivor OE paint cars out there.

Z/28 striping was not optional on SS or anything else. Included with Z10.

The earliest 69s built with a '69 rear spoiler were the 1st batch of 50 Yenkos, built 01B. All Z11s also used it; first Z11s were 02D. BOTH '68 and '69 spoilers were used in production until 03B. All captured in vintage magazine photos.

BTW Dennis...

The "EXPERTS" that I was referring about are not the real experts here..its the know-it-all ones that I and talking about. And yes..I can generalize when it comes to them :)

Kev

There are folks with all levels of knowledge posting here. There is a lot of mis-information out there, some of it deep seated because it's been perpetuated for a long time.

People are going to post what they believe. When it's not correct, with luck others will post the facts and some will learn something. It does no good to start calling out the folks with mis-info and sarcastically lable them "experts" or "know-it-alls".

I know D90 (hockey stripe) was standard on the SS, other than Z11 and Z10 SS (pace car and a limited prod coupe) could you get an SS with Z/28 stripes?

Dennis,
Yea I got the standard SS and Z mixed up. My main point was the short spoiler........

The older I get the more often I make brain dead statements. Thanks for keeping an eye one me and making your point in a non-confrontational way!~!

Doug

67 Pat
Here are a couple pictures of the 68 short spoiler on my Oct 68 1969 Z28.
http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/502/Z28_AUG_28_2006_1435.jpg
http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/502/Z28_AUG_28_2006_1463.jpg

Nice car there Othal...great shot with the sunburst gleem coming off the bumper...you got a shine on that thing or what!?

The difference here is Factory vs Dealership options. From the factory..it was one way however the dealership would do whatever the paying customer wanted. My point here was while there are people here who are in the know, posting a general post like " It irks me when I see the stripe past the spoiler " and so on, is THEIR opinion and they don't elaborate about the Factory Vs Dealer stuff. I do respect the correctness the experts elaborate on however only ask that the whole story be told. New members here are not sure what the big deal is about the stripe ending on the trunk lid.

Dennis "It does no good to start calling out the folks with mis-info and sarcastically lable them "experts" or "know-it-alls".

It does no good not telling the whole story either. Yep..I was being sarcastic ...just like they were putting down members cars.

Kev

Rick....

Nice car :)

Kev

Kevin, I always thought that when someone would say it was incorrect to paint the lip of the trunk, why it was never qualified by whether the spoiler was factory or dealer installed. If dealer installed it would be entirely correct to paint the lip. After being here for a while now I think I know who the real experts are.;)

I just had the stripes put on my car and if it was not an original spoiler car I may have painted the lip.

There hasnt been much about the 1st gens that hasn't been discussed many times here on TC, so when something that has been shows up, many don't feel inclined to post in detail what has been covered already.

I'm sure it can be frustrating for a new member, we were all one at one time. But I'm guilty of doing so myself. The good thing is that there will almost always be someone willing to post the info :thumbsup:

I have the remains of a 10A (1968) 69 LA Z that has factory paint on it still.The stripes are the 68 style (narrow) with a notch in the right stripe for the C in the Camaro emblem,the stripes on this car go all the way to the edge of the deck lid.The car still has both the small and large torque rods in it to prove that it is a factory spoiler car and you can see that the paint on the underside of the deck lid around the lower Camaro emblem location point has not been scratched by retaining nuts the way it has been around the holes in the upper emblem location point,proving that this is not a dealer add on.I know that most people think that the stripes should stop under the spoiler but I think that this car proves that there are always exceptions to the rules.

Gary..
One has to wonder :)
I know most of the intent is to post the info that is factory correct for the 99% original restorations. I would say that not say factory vs dealer had left off important info and that was all I was trying to do with the posting. And yes..I do respect the experts here like Kurt , John, Ed and all the TC staff as they are only trying to help and make it enjoyable for the Camaro enthusiasts.

ASchab..
If you have photos, it would be great to post them and all the info you have on this car. If you prefer to sent via email you can send it to kducharme@gmail.com

Kev

The thing I find funny about the whole "stripes on the trunk" thing is that a lot of the time cars that are questioned on the stripes "correctness" shouldn't have the stripes in the first place. Not a Z/28, Z11 or Z10. That why I think its funny when people point out that the "trunk stripes are wrong".


BTW, I think mine might be "wrong"...LOL.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2425/p8120008vo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I've actually had people point out the items that are "wrong" for Z11's on my car.

My reaction..... "you must be kidding."


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Not a real close up pick.
But here is a picture of the original stripes.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n212/wac_Z28/69Z284-1-07NewTires018-1.jpg

If you need a close up picture just let me know and I will take some more....

Thanks,

I have the remains of a 10A (1968) 69 LA Z that has factory paint on it still.The stripes are the 68 style (narrow) with a notch in the right stripe for the C in the Camaro emblem,the stripes on this car go all the way to the edge of the deck lid.The car still has both the small and large torque rods in it to prove that it is a factory spoiler car and you can see that the paint on the underside of the deck lid around the lower Camaro emblem location point has not been scratched by retaining nuts the way it has been around the holes in the upper emblem location point,proving that this is not a dealer add on.I know that most people think that the stripes should stop under the spoiler but I think that this car proves that there are always exceptions to the rules.

Gary..
One has to wonder :)
I know most of the intent is to post the info that is factory correct for the 99% original restorations. I would say that not say factory vs dealer had left off important info and that was all I was trying to do with the posting. And yes..I do respect the experts here like Kurt , John, Ed and all the TC staff as they are only trying to help and make it enjoyable for the Camaro enthusiasts...

The CRG guys state that their information is based on "normative practices". That is the way it was supposed to be done by the factory. That is not to say some things were done differently at times for some reason. A deck lid spring could have been changed because a customer was irritated the lid did not stay up.

Not a real close up pick.
But here is a picture of the original stripes.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n212/wac_Z28/69Z284-1-07NewTires018-1.jpg

If you need a close up picture just let me know and I will take some more....

Thanks,

Nice car. Looks like mine but w/o the ivory interior.

Since we're discussing stripes. 2 or three extra inches of stripe one way or the other doesn't matter to me. At least they don't look as stupid as the stripes Ford is putting on the new Mustangs! All th way down the tailpan and allthe way down the fron spoiler. What were THEY thinking?

Since we're discussing stripes. 2 or three extra inches of stripe one way or the other doesn't matter to me. At least they don't look as stupid as the stripes Ford is putting on the new Mustangs! All th way down the tailpan and allthe way down the fron spoiler. What were THEY thinking?

I think that is the way Shelby did it back in 1967.