Rims over 15", low profile tires,etc. Anybody have any others?

do you mean bugs as in 'things inherently wrong with the car', or 'things that bug me that other people do to the car'?

I think he means pet peeves.

not driving them

not driving them ...X2

not driving them ...X2

times 4.

and would like to add "people who think 40 year old rolling stock technology is the only right way to go!"

Yeh, what JimM said!

"Not for sale... I'm gonna fix it up one day" :angry:

"My hood hinges were painted black from the factory."

Just kidding, Fred....I couldn't stop myself.

Starters that work when they want to?

Yeh, what JimM said!

Ditto

Ditto

x3

But honestly, that's one thing that I do like about this hobby. There are thousands of customization options when restoring a car. Everybody can have the exact same base and end up with a car the way they would have built it.

Rust!!

Let me ask a question and see if it bugs anyone, haha.
I love my car, but have considered changing it to SS or Z-28 Badgeing. Although I am pretty sure my car was an original RS, I would just prefer it to be a Z-28 or SS (or at least look like one). Stupid I guess.
It doesn't have the original engine, it is a 69 truck 350, 255 hp, according to the way I read the numbers.
I'm not a fanatic about originality. I do like having the repro seat covers, factory console, 4-speed, rear-end, etc, but will be changing to 3rd gen power steering, and maybe A/C.
Just wondered about you guys opinions, and what you have done. It seems that some people look at clones as a bad thing, and maybe I don't want to have to say, "well, no it isn't an original SS or Z-28."
Give me your viewpoints, guys. Thank you much.
RJ

Let me ask a question and see if it bugs anyone, haha.
I love my car, but have considered changing it to SS or Z-28 Badgeing. Although I am pretty sure my car was an original RS, I would just prefer it to be a Z-28 or SS (or at least look like one). Stupid I guess.
It doesn't have the original engine, it is a 69 truck 350, 255 hp, according to the way I read the numbers.
I'm not a fanatic about originality. I do like having the repro seat covers, factory console, 4-speed, rear-end, etc, but will be changing to 3rd gen power steering, and maybe A/C.
Just wondered about you guys opinions, and what you have done. It seems that some people look at clones as a bad thing, and maybe I don't want to have to say, "well, no it isn't an original SS or Z-28."
Give me your viewpoints, guys. Thank you much.
RJ*sarcasm on* Oh noes, it's a clone!

As you can see by my sig, clones (tributes, fakes or whatever you want to call them) are alright with me. It's when folks insist on trying to pass a car that isn't what it really is (i.e., trying to sell/pass a base car for an SS on e-bay, etc.) that gets my dander up.

I agree 100%, would never try to bs anyone into thinking it is something it isn't. Most people who are not into Camaros or cars in general don't have a clue anyway about what they are talking about.
My wife and I own a restaurant, and our dishwasher has seen my car before. The other day he asked me if I still had it. I told him I did, and he asked me , "What kinda motor does it have, a 440?" I told him it was a Chevy 350, he said, " so that must be about 315 horse then." I have no idea where that came from, haha.
Another guy looked at my car awhile back, and said, "It's nice, but I had a real nice 1960 Camaro." OK
rj

I not only "dressed" mine as an SS, I stroked the original block!

The word "Clone" imply's an attempt to copy something. Most of the time, it doesn't apply to our cars. Anyone who hangs out here for any period of time could look over my car and tell within 5 minutes that it is not an original SS, not even an orignal that has been modified.

Just don't make it "too perfect."

Let me ask a question and see if it bugs anyone, haha.
I love my car, but have considered changing it to SS or Z-28 Badgeing. Although I am pretty sure my car was an original RS, I would just prefer it to be a Z-28 or SS (or at least look like one). Stupid I guess.
It doesn't have the original engine, it is a 69 truck 350, 255 hp, according to the way I read the numbers.
I'm not a fanatic about originality. I do like having the repro seat covers, factory console, 4-speed, rear-end, etc, but will be changing to 3rd gen power steering, and maybe A/C.
Just wondered about you guys opinions, and what you have done. It seems that some people look at clones as a bad thing, and maybe I don't want to have to say, "well, no it isn't an original SS or Z-28."
Give me your viewpoints, guys. Thank you much.
RJ

RJ,
In the pure definition of irony, my car will have a new life as an RS look alike :D I don't want to say "clone" due to the fact that it'll have the headlights, tail lights, and some of the trim, but will be no where near a true RS from an originality standpoint.

I was looking for a true RS, and couldn't find one that someone didn't want an insane amount for.

I love my car, but have considered changing it to SS or Z-28 Badgeing. Although I am pretty sure my car was an original RS, I would just prefer it to be a Z-28 or SS (or at least look like one). Stupid I guess.
It doesn't have the original engine, it is a 69 truck 350, 255 hp, according to the way I read the numbers.
I'm not a fanatic about originality. I do like having the repro seat covers, factory console, 4-speed, rear-end, etc, but will be changing to 3rd gen power steering, and maybe A/C.
Just wondered about you guys opinions, and what you have done. It seems that some people look at clones as a bad thing, and maybe I don't want to have to say, "well, no it isn't an original SS or Z-28."
Give me your viewpoints, guys. Thank you much.
RJ

When I started searching for a 69' I was certain I wanted a RS/SS, 396 4spd. Not because it was original, but just because I liked the "package" so to speak. They were fairly hard to find and the pricing was prohibitive for me. I ended up buying the "best Camaro I could for the most money I could afford", which ended up being a Z "clone". After I joined this site I started realizing how touchy the subject of clones/tributes was with some members, and I came to understand viewpoints from all sides. I guess if I paid 60K for my Z...and my neighbor had a Z clone he paid 20K for...that people still drooled over...I'd probably feel a little cheated in some way. But I'm not going to get into possible explanations or scenarios for what irks some 1st Gen owners about such things right now.

My car started life as a 6cyl and is an X44 body. The way I see it, most COPOs were made using X44 bodies (I'm aware of several other bodies being used), and beside obvious "appearance" and "performance" options that were added to X44 bodies to make them the rare COPO cars, they are the same basic foundation...or at least, body. Same body, same sheet metal, both made by GM, both made in the same years. And let's face it, if a guy has a "real" SS and then changes say, front & rear suspension to improve 38yr old technology, let alone replacing or rebuilding the original tired engine or drivetrain, he no longer has an "SS". To me, as an example, an "SS" is the car that came off the assembly line and has never been altered, minus maybe changing brake shoes, batteries, and tires. But maybe I shouldn't even have allowed for even the tires or battery? After all, if the replacement tires weren't made in 69', doesn't that ruin something pristine?

OK, please, nobody jump on me for the extreme examples. I'm simply trying to point out that originality is either a black and white thing...or it's not. And if there's some latitude, where we each draw the line with that latitude becomes quite cloudy, as evidenced in hundreds of threads in this very site.

Basically, a RS is an appearance package...and a SS is a "performance" package. If I buy a home called the "Charleston" that is built by the great "Waldo Smith", but I saved money by not opting for Waldo's expensive glass front door ...and then buy the exact same door at Home Depot and install it myself, do I no longer own a Charleston...built by Waldo Smith? What If I opted for the cheap furnace and A/C unit, so I could replace it with the same units Lowes sells and that Waldo charges 10x more for? Admittedly, not the greatest analogy, but I hope it helps gets my point across.

And then you have "collector" and "owner" mentalities that divide many of us on this issue. I'm relatively certain that my Z/28 clone handles 10x better than any original Z/28. Beside suspension changes many of us have made (including lowering, different spring rates, beefier anti-sway bars, 3rd gen PS, shocks etc..), lower profile rubber on wider wheels provide for control that's far superior to that of any stock Camaro from the 60's. But to a collector, these changes would be considered vandalism, lol. And rightly so, to someone whose sole reason to own and love the 1st gen Camaro is purely....um..purism.

To me, you just have to decide what you want your car for. Trophy? Trailer Queen? Daily driver? Weekend warrior? Track star? I figure that once you decide this, you can do whatever the hell you want to your car, and it's nobody's business. The sales arena becomes a nightmare of its own, but that's for another day :)

You guys are geting deep on this stuff. I think pet peaves are little things that bother someone. In my case it's 69 grills that are not painted body color around the outside perimeter. Or delux seats with standard door panels. And second gen non RS cars with split bumpers.

As long as they haven't been 4X4'd or DONKed, most are ok by me.

i agree.as long as your not trying to sell it as a ss.i have a coupe with ss emblems.someone ask it a real ss i tell them nope but i love it just as much.its what makes you happy its your car

Everything Keith said plus I'd add, the wrong emblems or emblems installed in the wrong location on the car. I've walked away from buying many nicely restored cars because the emblems were installed in the wrong location or they'd been cloned and in doing so the owners had drilled the new sheet metal to install the clone badging. Like someone said you can do whatever you want it's your car, but when it comes time to sell it don't be surprised when someone's disappointed that you ruined otherwise nice sheet metal during your clone job.

Rims over 15", low profile tires,etc. Anybody have any others?:yes:

times 4.

and would like to add "people who think 40 year old rolling stock technology is the only right way to go!":yes:

Starters that work when they want to?:yes:

Rust!!:yes:

*sarcasm on* Oh noes, it's a clone!:yes:

You guys are geting deep on this stuff. I think pet peaves are little things that bother someone. In my case it's 69 grills that are not painted body color around the outside perimeter. Or delux seats with standard door panels. And second gen non RS cars with split bumpers.:yes:


And my big one is "oil leaks":yes:

when people ask what year my camaro is.

All i can say it that I don't own a camaro, but people really like my 67 Firebird

And my big one is "oil leaks":yes:[/quote]

lol, now I've heard everything, Camaros being compared to Harleys, if it's not leaking it's out of oil.

Poor stripe placement. And a 67 Bumble Bee stripe on a 69 just don't look right IMO. :noway:

Stickers on the windows i.e. Accel, MSD, Crane Cams etc.

Stickers on the windows i.e. Accel, MSD, Crane Cams etc.

How about the Team Camaro sticker? :D

those small after market steering wheels on otherwise stock interiors

When I started searching for a 69' I was certain I wanted a RS/SS, 396 4spd. Not because it was original, but just because I liked the "package" so to speak. They were fairly hard to find and the pricing was prohibitive for me. I ended up buying the "best Camaro I could for the most money I could afford", which ended up being a Z "clone". After I joined this site I started realizing how touchy the subject of clones/tributes was with some members, and I came to understand viewpoints from all sides. I guess if I paid 60K for my Z...and my neighbor had a Z clone he paid 20K for...that people still drooled over...I'd probably feel a little cheated in some way. But I'm not going to get into possible explanations or scenarios for what irks some 1st Gen owners about such things right now.

My car started life as a 6cyl and is an X44 body. The way I see it, most COPOs were made using X44 bodies (I'm aware of several other bodies being used), and beside obvious "appearance" and "performance" options that were added to X44 bodies to make them the rare COPO cars, they are the same basic foundation...or at least, body. Same body, same sheet metal, both made by GM, both made in the same years. And let's face it, if a guy has a "real" SS and then changes say, front & rear suspension to improve 38yr old technology, let alone replacing or rebuilding the original tired engine or drivetrain, he no longer has an "SS". To me, as an example, an "SS" is the car that came off the assembly line and has never been altered, minus maybe changing brake shoes, batteries, and tires. But maybe I shouldn't even have allowed for even the tires or battery? After all, if the replacement tires weren't made in 69', doesn't that ruin something pristine?

OK, please, nobody jump on me for the extreme examples. I'm simply trying to point out that originality is either a black and white thing...or it's not. And if there's some latitude, where we each draw the line with that latitude becomes quite cloudy, as evidenced in hundreds of threads in this very site.

Basically, a RS is an appearance package...and a SS is a "performance" package. If I buy a home called the "Charleston" that is built by the great "Waldo Smith", but I saved money by not opting for Waldo's expensive glass front door ...and then buy the exact same door at Home Depot and install it myself, do I no longer own a Charleston...built by Waldo Smith? What If I opted for the cheap furnace and A/C unit, so I could replace it with the same units Lowes sells and that Waldo charges 10x more for? Admittedly, not the greatest analogy, but I hope it helps gets my point across.

And then you have "collector" and "owner" mentalities that divide many of us on this issue. I'm relatively certain that my Z/28 clone handles 10x better than any original Z/28. Beside suspension changes many of us have made (including lowering, different spring rates, beefier anti-sway bars, 3rd gen PS, shocks etc..), lower profile rubber on wider wheels provide for control that's far superior to that of any stock Camaro from the 60's. But to a collector, these changes would be considered vandalism, lol. And rightly so, to someone whose sole reason to own and love the 1st gen Camaro is purely....um..purism.

To me, you just have to decide what you want your car for. Trophy? Trailer Queen? Daily driver? Weekend warrior? Track star? I figure that once you decide this, you can do whatever the hell you want to your car, and it's nobody's business. The sales arena becomes a nightmare of its own, but that's for another day :)

Kevin...
Well stated and hit on all good points! The original cars are super however hard to find and cost 10 times more that the same one that has some changes. To me....a pet peve would be not owning a Camaro, other than that, its all good :)


Kev

Umm....
CAUTION FAN sticker must be tops


Kev

People asking why I put a Ford 302 engine in my Z!

Only two things I hate: People who are intolerant of other people's Camaros...and the Dutch

Sorry, twist on an Austin Powers quote. I don't really hate the Dutch ;)

How About Spending Hours At A Swap Meet With Limited Funds . Finding The Correct Date Coded Exhaust Manifolds For Your Car , Takling With The Vendor For A Price And Have Someone Else Overhear Your Conversation And Saying I Bet I Could Get A Lot For Them On E-Bay And Buying Them From Under You Because They Had Unlimited Funds .
Basically Pet Peeve People Buying Our Camaro's And Parts Not For The Love Of The Car But Just To Turn A Buck .
Ben

How about the Team Camaro sticker? :D

Well, ok except for that one.

" Caution Fan " sticker :sad: