i know there was 20302 z's made in 69, but how many of them had the r/s option added? just curious to see if it was rare or not on a z. thanks

There is no definitive way to know. There are no GM records to state the number. But roughly 15.5% of production across all the models. So you can do the math for fun.

If you have a Z/28 RS with air conditioning then that is a different story. :D

if my math is correct, so roughly about 3146 cars out of the 20302 z's were rally sport optioned??. thanks. robert.

if my math is correct, so roughly about 3146 cars out of the 20302 z's were rally sport optioned??. thanks. robert.

I would be inclined to say less than that, but who knows?

Most Z's in '69 were bought to race and appearance sometimes was secondary. How to get from point "A" to point "B" in a hurry was of first concern for alot of buyers. (many X77's out there)

Just my thought, may or may not have any basis in fact!! :o

Doug

From the production totals, 58% of 69's had either style trim or RS.

A quick look in the db shows that 56.3% of the X-coded Z's that we have info on had either style trim or RS. Don't read too much into that, but it does indicate that in 69, style trim / RS were probably ordered on Z's about the same % as the general 69 population.

My Z is an RS, with basically no other options (posi, tint, AM). Flat hood, no console, no spoilers. Go fast and look good. :)

......My Z is an RS, with basically no other options (posi, tint, AM). Flat hood, no console, no spoilers. Go fast and look good. :)

You got it right. How about a picture, Kurt?

Thanks guys. i agree, kurts and garyl, how about some pics.

Yes, it wasn't only about going fast but about looking cool too and the RS front end looks cool so I wouldn't doubt the percentage was the same as the rest if not higher in Z's.

That particular 69 is in a million pieces. Not much to show right now. :)

It has been in a million pcs since I sold it to you in I think 1991 ??? Get to work on that thing already:beers:

That particular 69 is in a million pieces. Not much to show right now. :)

It has been in a million pcs since I sold it to you in I think 1991 ??? Get to work on that thing already:beers:

Too much time answering questions, huh? :noway:

At least it *is* finally coming back together. :)

Gary,
That and chasing kids....

That particular 69 is in a million pieces. Not much to show right now. :)

Join the club!

Thanks guys. i agree, kurts and garyl, how about some pics.

Not quite ready. Soon. Check my showroom.

Of the eleven 1969 Van Nuys built Z/28s that I recorded info off of invoices from Bob Cole Chevrolet in san Jose , CA.... ten had style trim and only one without. Not a single one had the RS option . They were shipped between 10/10/68 to 12/27/68

I would bet that if anyone experienced a RS in 67 or 68 with the doors frozen closed or not working they would not have bought one in 69 ... remember these were cars that were driven EVERY day. my neighbor bought one of the 1st 67's (RS 327 4 speed) and she had problems with the RS doors the 1st winter. We lived in Farmington michigan, so it did get cold, her car did sit out (her dad and her moms car was in the garage) and it did snow ... ice ... sleet ...

The Camaro parts business I worked for was owned by a former Chevrolet dealer. Customers whining about inop RS headlight doors were usually informed they didn't work well when they were still under warranty. Inop RS doors were usually joined by an inop ducted hood. We had a customer that bought a Z11 new and he had a fist full of ROs dating back to new for the hood and doors.

Six Sigma was around then; Chevy just wasn't into it...

The Camaro parts business I worked for was owned by a former Chevrolet dealer. Customers whining about inop RS headlight doors were usually informed they didn't work well when they were still under warranty. Inop RS doors were usually joined by an inop ducted hood. We had a customer that bought a Z11 new and he had a fist full of ROs dating back to new for the hood and doors.

Six Sigma was around then; Chevy just wasn't into it...

Every unrestored RS car I have owned or inspected had operational headlight doors. The problem recently (3+ years ago) was that the reproduction hoses degraded /cracked and the actuators seals were terrible. The original cars headlight doors seem to always work for me. BTW the reproduction components (classic headquarters) work very well now.

i was woundering how many 69 convertables were made

oh an how many were conv. / ss

From the production totals, 58% of 69's had either style trim or RS.

A quick look in the db shows that 56.3% of the X-coded Z's that we have info on had either style trim or RS. Don't read too much into that, but it does indicate that in 69, style trim / RS were probably ordered on Z's about the same % as the general 69 population.

My Z is an RS, with basically no other options (posi, tint, AM). Flat hood, no console, no spoilers. Go fast and look good. :)
Kurt, any idea how many COPO's were RS's? It looks like Berger sold around 6 or so with the RS package, did any other dealer sell more? What other dealers sold any? Thanks.

Production numbers are in the RPO spreadsheet: http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#RPOSpreadsheet

Dana,
There's a few other dealers that ordered RS COPO's (several OH dealers and some Canadian ones come to mind). But there's not many.....

Since Kurt can't cough up a picture, I'd be happy to step in and oblige! It's the "Travlin Z". I bought it from the original owner 9 years ago and finished up the resto he started in 1986.

So that's Kurt's car?

Here's mine, just finished! 18 year restoration? I think I've been at it as long as Kurt. Hang in there it will get done!
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/ToddZ/302%20DZ%20Break-In/th_P1000118.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/ToddZ/302%20DZ%20Break-In/P1000118.jpg)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/ToddZ/302%20DZ%20Break-In/P1000120.jpg

Here's another 20+ year RS/Z restoration, sat in my shop collecting dust for most of those years, Were getting close but not done yet.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj114/Pro-Mac/Camaro%20Z28/P1010644.jpg?t=1277995510http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj114/Pro-Mac/Camaro%20Z28/P1010501.jpg?t=1277995561http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj114/Pro-Mac/Camaro%20Z28/P1010505.jpg?t=1277995952

Nope, my Z is in primer still. It's fathom green, like Dean's. But no do-dads - no spoilers, no cowl hood, .... and no engine in it right now. :)

Nope, my Z is in primer still. It's fathom green, like Dean's. But no do-dads - no spoilers, no cowl hood, .... and no engine in it right now. :)

PM me your last 6 of your vin. I've got a line on a DZ motor from this immediate area so I'm going to look this weekend. never know could be yours.

Metal Man, I like the mag look of your car. I am thinking about adding some 15x7 Torque Thrusts to mine. What is the build date of that car?

Hey Gary,
02C Van Nuys a week before yours. Like yours only the BV rear-end is original to the car.
Wheels are 17” Vintage Wheel Works V-45’s I keep using a product called Gibbs Oil to darken up the cast center sections.
Had it painted down yuor way, Central Valley Rod and Custom in Armona Ca.

Off topic but If you make it up to the Bay Area sometime drop me a line and I’ll show that F-86 Saber we talked about.
Here’s a pic of my dad in his Cal Guard F-86-F.

Back to the RS question. Since there was a model they just called the Rally Sport wouldnt that mean that, given a GM percentage estimate for this particular option, it would also subtract from the percentage of Z-cars that got that option?

So if overall the RS option ordered was 15% the entire line of say 1000 cars, but 50 of those cars are Rally Sports... That would leaveonly 9.5% of the Z's and SS's having RS options. Right?

I also imagine, back in the day people who didnt have the RS options used to defend themselves by saying they had a big weight savings so they have better hp/weight ratio than RS cars. I would think hardcore racers would have ordered more cars without RS options (or AC) as well. But what do I know? I just got into 1st gen cars a few years ago myself. The Rally Sport Camaros are very cool imo. :thumbsup:

Dean I will stop by for sure when I am up that way. I scanned one too of my dad, circa 1950-51.

I was wondering on the TT date because of the black plates.

Back to the RS question. Since there was a model they just called the Rally Sport wouldnt that mean that, given a GM percentage estimate for this particular option, it would also subtract from the percentage of Z-cars that got that option?

So if overall the RS option ordered was 15% the entire line of say 1000 cars, but 50 of those cars are Rally Sports... That would leaveonly 9.5% of the Z's and SS's having RS options. Right?

Not exactly. The RS option was a separate RPO so there is no way to know how many were RS, RSSS or RS/Z/28. Just the total number of cars equipped with the Rally Sport option from the factory.