Here's what our hobby has turned into....

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Good ol' Ebay.

just sickening!

not trying to start something but i blame it on the guy who advertises these fake tags. ebay cant police all there auctions. it is sickening how these people are taking advantage of the unknowledged people who pay for something that it aint.

what i don't understand is how he calls them 'novelty tags'. have you ever in your life heard of anyone, including yourself, look at a tag and say "what a novel tag"?

I agree that it's not eBays fault. The guy is a scam artist. He is committing fraud when he puts in the listing "history unkown". It should say "history trimtags.com". If they are novelty tags, why bother to weather them. He does as good a job weathering the tags as he did weathering the bucket. Looks like he even used the same black spray paint. Basically he's charging the price of the tag from trim tags plus about $200.00 to paint the tags and then srcatch and dent them. This guy is a POS.

I love the part in his listing that says" to be used as a novelty item and not to be used for misrepresentation". Like I would pay $450 bucks for a "novelty" and not be tempted in the least bit to scam some individual with my novelty Trim Tag. That dude must be a rocket scientist.
X2 on the POS comment!!!!

Forgot to mention that I dig your car PROZ11:thumbsup::cool::D

There are only a few states that have actually made Cowl tag alteration a crime. VIN tags are a crime to tamper with PERIOD, minus the rare case that you document removal and replacement for restoration purposes. Cowl tags are illegal to sell on EBAY, but people still do it all the time. I sell the Cowl rivets on EBAY and I do not feel guilty one bit. There are people out there who are doing restorations that legitimately removing and replacing their cowl tags...not swapping them out for a different one. There are 4 of us who sell them on EBAY and the pricing war between us has brought the cost of the rivets to $5 delivered from me...

the good ol bucket of Tags.... that bucket has made its fair share of appearances here.

There are only a few states that have actually made Cowl tag alteration a crime. VIN tags are a crime to tamper with PERIOD, minus the rare case that you document removal and replacement for restoration purposes. Cowl tags are illegal to sell on EBAY, but people still do it all the time. I sell the Cowl rivets on EBAY and I do not feel guilty one bit. There are people out there who are doing restorations that legitimately removing and replacing their cowl tags...not swapping them out for a different one. There are 4 of us who sell them on EBAY and the pricing war between us has brought the cost of the rivets to $5 delivered from me...


"Cowl tags are illegal to sell on EBAY, but people still do it all the time."

....and it's also against Ebay policy to misrepresent a sale, i.e sell the portion of the cowl with the VIN,hidden VIN and Trim Tag as an automobile, as was the case last week but that didn't stop Ebay or the seller profiting from it. Ebay is just as corrupt as the people that use it for illegal purposes.

We should all send this gentleman a boat load of questions, but first ask where he lives and will he allow for a local pickup from a friend, named :noway:Bubba?:yes:

Forgot to mention that I dig your car PROZ11:thumbsup::cool::D

Thanks,
Hey, maybe he has a "history unknown" Pro Street Z11 tag in that bucket for me.....lol.

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I removed my tag and through it in the trash on my current build.

I thought we had decided that a lot of the ones he sells are actually repros, too.

I thought we had decided that a lot of the ones he sells are actually repros, too.

i dont remember hearing that "a lot" of his tags were repos...
I remember that ALL / EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OF HIS TAGS ARE REPRODUCTIONS.
The guy is a common crook.

I agree wholeheartedly that the guy is a scumbag for selling these items, and that eBay needs to do a better job policing their environment.

However, if someone purchases one of these tags, without doing any research, beacuase they think it makes their restoration project "correct", then shame on them -- they'll get what they deserve.

If someone purchases one of these tags because they want to commit outright fraud in representing their vehicle, then shame on them -- they'll also get what they deserve.

If you enter this market by buying a project or a complete car, with the naive approach that everyone is above board and honest beyond reproach, then you live in fantasly land and you'll get what you deserve. Do your research and understand that there are people out there who do not have the best interests of the hobby in mind and that making money at someone else's expense is their real motivation.

geez Doug, so unless everyone is as worldly as you, "they'll get what they deserve."
I would rather help those who are not as worldly as you, not throw them to the lions!! But that's just me.

I guess, on further thought, if everyone is busy giving THOSE guys what they deserve, I may be able to make an error without "getting what I deserve."

i dont remember hearing that "a lot" of his tags were repos...
I remember that ALL / EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OF HIS TAGS ARE REPRODUCTIONS.
The guy is a common crook.

Yup, we've never seen a real tag come out of that bottomless bucket of his. He lies about the "history unknown" part, that's what makes it fraud, (remember his original story about the junkyard he got them all from) even if they are $450.00 weathered "novelty tags" like he claims. He's still lying about the origin of the tags. He buys them, weathers them (poorly) then sells and ships them and claims not to know their history. I'm pretty sure that a federal no no . Too bad no one who's bought one and took his ass to court. I'm sure it would be pretty easy to prove he knows the exact origin of the tags and maybe he'd finally be shut down. It's no different then selling any knock off product and hinting it's real, claiming you don't know the history and throwing a rediculas "legal" (NOT!) disclaimer like his stating it's not his fault if you commit fraud with his fraudulent product.



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Thanks,
Hey, maybe he has a "history unknown" Pro Street Z11 tag in that bucket for me.....lol.

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PROZ11,
If you look very close at the picture of the bucket of Trim Tags you will find your "history unknown" Pro Street Z11 tag, it's sitting right next to my "history unknown" Pro Street X11 tag with the "extremely rare" "3M" option i.e., the white tape covering the sequence #......LoL:D

PROZ11,
If you look very close at the picture of the bucket of Trim Tags you will find your "history unknown" Pro Street Z11 tag, it's sitting right next to my "history unknown" Pro Street X11 tag with the "extremely rare" "3M" option i.e., the white tape covering the sequence #......LoL:D

Yea, I thought I saw it in there. I think on my tag it even shows a special code for the narrowed 9" ...... Very rare code.



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I am thankful that they are all repo tags. Imagine if they were legit. If someone matched up legit tags and dates with the VIN we would have bigger problems

While we're on this subject, I have a roller with a clear title that is missing the trim tag. The Vin plate is there as well as the cowl area, and they match. Is there any way to obtain a replacement tag, and how can you tell what the tag originally was? The car has a multi leaf 12 bolt, power steering, and power brakes. Was a V8 small block car. Thats all I know. Not looking to make this car original or pretend its rare- I may even Dynacorn body it since it needs so much metal work. Should I even bother with replacing the trim tag? Thanks for your advice. Scott

geez Doug, so unless everyone is as worldly as you, "they'll get what they deserve."
I would rather help those who are not as worldly as you, not throw them to the lions!! But that's just me.

I guess, on further thought, if everyone is busy giving THOSE guys what they deserve, I may be able to make an error without "getting what I deserve."

Its not necessarily being wordly, its more common sense. In my humble opinion, if you're going to invest in an arguably expensive, time consuming endeavor, I figure you should do a little research first, but that's just me. I would not want to throw a novice Camaro enthusiast to the lions. On the contrary, I would promote sites like this, with its vast amount of information and folks willing to share experience to promote the hobby. :thumbsup:

Ok Doug, so maybe I misinterpreted your "they'll get what they deserve" as declarative rather than prophetic. Sort of like "May you rot in Hell" has a totally different meaning than "You may rot in Hell."

While we're on this subject, I have a roller with a clear title that is missing the trim tag. The Vin plate is there as well as the cowl area, and they match. Is there any way to obtain a replacement tag, and how can you tell what the tag originally was? The car has a multi leaf 12 bolt, power steering, and power brakes. Was a V8 small block car. Thats all I know. Not looking to make this car original or pretend its rare- I may even Dynacorn body it since it needs so much metal work. Should I even bother with replacing the trim tag? Thanks for your advice. Scott

Hi Scott,

This topic has been discussed at length here. A majority of us feel that once the original trim tag is gone, it should be left alone. Putting a fake tag on the car only will draw suspicion. There really is no benefit to adding a a fake tag. In fact, a car probably will be viewed to be more legit without a tag than with a fake.

Yea, I thought I saw it in there. I think on my tag it even shows a special code for the narrowed 9" ...... Very rare code.



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LoL.....LMAO!!!!!!!!

Z06; its your car do what you want and do not worry about the naysayers. You want to put a new trim tag-go ahead, how many people do you think will have enough backround knowledge to break out your repro tag- I'll tell you-a handful! 99% of the people who look at your car at a show will go right by the tag and not even notice it. One, mabey two might look at it, but its going to take a real pro to break out a repro. Don't sweat it, lifes short.

99% of the people who look at your car at a show will go right by the tag and not even notice it. One, mabey two might look at it, but its going to take a real pro to break out a repro. Don't sweat it, lifes short.

A good reason to have no tag at all once the original is already gone. :yes: