A friend of mine is looking at a '69 Camaro. The owner says it is a SS350. It is a Norwood car and the code on the cowl tag is X-44. I know this could be a base Camaro or a SS350 without the chrome trim. It has the 12 bolt rear end, 4 speed, no console or gauges, and drum brakes. It also has the chrome grills on the quarter panels. It is a V-8 car but the original engine is gone. The drum brakes have me confused. How can I tell if this is a real SS350?

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"

X-44 is a base coupe, it cannot be an SS350.

Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure I agree with you on this. If the X-44 can not be a SS350 then what would it be? This is how I understand it.
X-11 is base Camaro or SS350 with trim.
X-22 is SS396 with trim.
X-33 is Z-28 with trim.
X-44 is base Camaro without trim.
X-66 is SS396 without trim.
X-77 is Z-28 without trim.
Z-11 is pace car.


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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"

I think a true SS would have more coils on the hood hindges and I know they have multi-leaf springs. Hope this helps.

Didn't all performance pkg 69s get front discs? Not sure myself.

I know mine is an original ss350 it is an X55 D80 coded 69 it has 12bolt 5leaf springs originally Turbo 350 now has M 22 also has 2 fuel lines. I am pretty sure it can not be an ss350 with an X44 code though
MIKE

Mine is an X-44 it was originally a 350 2barrel, PG trans, 256 rear, PS, A/C, Power Front Disc, Console, no gauges. What does no trim mean, mine has plenty of trim. Not asking a new question just trying to add to the X-44 discussion.

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Robert

'69 getting better every day... (every pay day)

Oh yeah,

Took off the grills on the 1/4's to repaint, a litte paint remover and mine were all chrome also (looked pretty good). Started to leave them that way but liked the black better.

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Robert

'69 getting better every day... (every pay day)

X44 can't be a SS car.
See http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes and http://www.camaros.org/diffs69.shtml for the details.

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Kurt S.
www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Thanks for the info.

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"

I just looked up an old super chevy book 1/87 It says as follows Norwood instituded X code on the cowl of 68 and 69s.Cal car did not. X11 base carZ/28 with style trim &base car 327 without style trim.COPO car.
X22 base car 396 with style trim.X33 Z/28 with style trim group.Z/28 with rally sport option.X44 base car with no style trim group.X55 Base car with 350 and SS option.X66 base car 396.X77 Z/28 with no style trim.also note Z11 are 69 pace car code
Im restoring a 69 SS 350 car and its code is X55,so this info is right for my car.Also all 69 SSs had 12 Bolt rear ends,standard.
Hope this helps you.

69 SS camaro
55 Belair pro street

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Gene,
The info in the links I posted are correct. If anyone finds an error, let me know.
No X codes ever on a 68. They were started in December of 68.
Your info has the X11 being a Z28??? That's wrong.

Also, not all 69 SS's got 12 bolts. A SS powerglide car got a 10 bolt.
And not all 12 bolt cars were SS's or Z's. Most LM1 cars got 12 bolts.

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Kurt S.
www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Gene,
I know the issue you are talking about. That was when Doug Marrion was the editor of Super Chevy. They got the codes all screwed up. I wrote them a letter and tried to get them to correct it, but they ignored me and left it screwed up. Thanks for the effort!

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"

One SURE fire way to tell if the body was an SS , Z28 , or COPO 427 , is that there will be an adapter plate welded on the left side about 3" behind the shock (visible through the L. wheelwell , behind the tire) they were welded on to reinforce the area to hold the left tailpipe hanger. Approx. 5" long and 2 1/2" wide with two semi-circular notches in the middle.

Thanks for the help. I've found out that the car had a 307 and is not a SS. It's still a nice car, but the seller shouldn't be trying to sell it as an original SS350. He is asking a lot of money for it because he says it is a SS.

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"

[This message has been edited by big gear head (edited 04-03-2001).]

Freddie One thing i learned about the 69 SSs if camaros .org is correct is all SS cars had front discs.I guess the tech in the old super chevy mags is equall to bad toilet paper,from what all of you are saying. Thanks

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Our website is correct. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif (Let us know if anyone finds an error.)

RSSS69conv:
Sorry, but that's bad info too!
Any 69 coupe with dual exhausts got that plate. And duals were an option on any V8 car.
Convertibles didn't get it.
All on the CRG site too. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

[This message has been edited by Kurt S (edited 04-07-2001).]

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