: winshield install ribbon
RockinRob Jan 7th, 08, 06:16 AM I have searched and it seems that urethane should be used to set the windshield.
this product from rick's say it is what the factory used: http://www.rickscamaros.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=WM%2D29&dept%5Fid=3290
is this the correct product to purchase for install?
i am a little confused as far as if urethane is even available as a ribbon or if it is something from a caulking type tube.
santa brought me a windshield and this ribbon kit, but don't want to proceed in the wrong direction.
thanks
Rob
69bigboy Jan 7th, 08, 07:14 AM That ribbon is exactly what you should us. Be aware that when you set your glass on that ribbon, you do not get a second chance, so make sure you know where you want your glass first. I'm not trying to scare you, just letting you know in advance so you don't do what I did the first time. Have a Great Day!!!!!!
RockinRob Jan 7th, 08, 10:10 AM thanks Floyd, just wanted to make sure before i went too far.
Rob
zdld17 Jan 7th, 08, 10:17 AM Don't forget the spacer blocks at the bottom if there are any. There may also be some adjustable stops at the bottom also. Prime your glass edge also.
alanrw Jan 7th, 08, 10:31 AM Isn't the best way to seat the bottom edge first on the spacer blocks and then roll the windshield into place? Make sure you are centered left-right.
alan
go2fast Jan 7th, 08, 12:25 PM There will be folks here shortly that will tell you that urethane is the only right way to install a windshield and that GM never used buytl tape. GM used Thickol that was a liquid like urethane but didn't set hard.
I've been rebuilding these cars for 30+ years and have always used the butyl tape and have never had a problem. I've used urethane on some modern windshields. It's great stuff, but it's thin and a real bi+ch if you want to get it off later.
-jim
zdld17 Jan 7th, 08, 12:47 PM There will be folks here shortly that will tell you that urethane is the only right way to install a windshield and that GM never used buytl tape. GM used Thickol that was a liquid like urethane but didn't set hard.
I've been rebuilding these cars for 30+ years and have always used the butyl tape and have never had a problem. I've used urethane on some modern windshields. It's great stuff, but it's thin and a real bi+ch if you want to get it off later.
-jim
Same here on the tape. Also , besure you use a good fresh package, not opened, preferrably 3M
Lifeboatdan Jan 9th, 08, 10:11 AM I just set my windshield and rear window 2 weeks ago and used buytl tape and followed up with urethane caulk as suggested in a string by Brian Martin in this forum. It worked great! Just follow the directions that Brain gives. The trim set in perfectly.
Thanks Brian!
BTY I never have set a windshield before but watch it done once and had no problems doing it. They are right though you only get one shot at it so make sure you have 1 or 2 helpers to install it.
RockinRob Jan 9th, 08, 10:15 AM does anyone have any pics of the window stops installed?
(this is the part i am talking about, from the ricks catalog http://www.rickscamaros.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=WM%2D21&dept%5Fid=3290)
i have replaced dash top and cowl and there was no trace of these parts on the original)
Thanks,
Rob
Microgiant Jan 9th, 08, 01:07 PM Not to hijack but I think you might want the same answers too.
I bought those too and Im in the same boat. No trace of where they used to go. Also what is the spacing for the windshield 3/8"? If we get it to 3/8 our trim should fit just right, right? I understand we will need a test fit but I want to make sure it couldnt be MORE than 3/8.
What about the cloth that used to be in there. The channel I think its called. Can that be purchased anywhere?
Is 3/8 ok for the backlite or do we need the 5/16 that Ricks sells?
Lifeboatdan Jan 10th, 08, 06:15 AM The stops you can position once you dry fit the windshield. They are placed about 2-4 inches from the outside of where the windshield center curve is before is starts to curve up to the outside edges. If need be I can take pick of mine for you tonight. Let me know.
Dan
Lifeboatdan Jan 10th, 08, 06:17 AM Also, I used 3/8 inch butyl tape and once installed the trim fit perfect and aligned exactly with the body edge of my 70 Camaro.
Lifeboatdan Jan 10th, 08, 06:37 AM Sorry Guys, Didn't realize yours was a first gen car not second gen like mine. All my commnets apply to a second gen.
JohnZ Jan 14th, 08, 06:29 PM 1st and 2nd Gen used exactly the same process for the windshield and the backlite; black silane primer on the windshield/backlite opening flange on the body, UV-blocking black silane primer on the glass, followed by the cloth-reinforced self-adhesive dam, then a triangular-section bead of Thiokol adhesive on the glass, then set the glass in the opening, then skive/paddle the adhesive at an angle from the edge of the glass to the corner of the body opening flange.
The adhesively-installed glass was designed as a structural element in the body, that contributed torsional stiffness; tape-installed glass contributes zero to the structure, and won't retain the windshield in a frontal crash.
:beers:
RockinRob Jan 15th, 08, 12:02 PM so John, are you saying that the ribbon (from Rick's) would not be appropriate adhesive type, and would not add the structural properties required? (i assume they are required by the initial designs).
Rob
alanrw Jan 15th, 08, 12:09 PM And along those lines, is the process you outlined also the process that should be done "in the field"? Or is the ribbon stuff for ease of install outside the factory?
alan
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