http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-69-Camaro-SS-Part_W0QQitemZ170192833607QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6763Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VIN and tag:
12437 9N686214
NOR 126139
t99s in Akron, NY.

I reported it to eBay.

Larry

For those of you who do not have it,here is the phone # for Ebay to report VIN's for auction on Ebay....

1-800-717-3229

I reported the auction to Ebay and called the 800 #. We will see what they do?

I reported it to eBay.

Larry

In addition to the 1-800 number, you can click on the "Report this item" link at the bottom of the auction page.

Larry

Call or e-mail the state police in the state there selling from.


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Hi guys just for my knowledge, is it illegal to sell Trim Tags (Cowl Tags) or VIN plates or both? I see this all the time on Ebay (mostly Trim Tags though)?

Hi guys just for my knowledge, is it illegal to sell Trim Tags (Cowl Tags) or VIN plates or both? I see this all the time on Ebay (mostly Trim Tags though)?

VIN's=highly illegal
Trim Tags= some states currently have legislation making them illegal to sell.

In addition to the 1-800 number, you can click on the "Report this item" link at the bottom of the auction page.

Larry

Did that & emailed the link to this auction to New York State Police.

All that calling and emailing you guys are doing has not done anything .. as of today Feb 12 .. 9:30pm central time .. the add is still on! This stuff is gonna happen weather you guys like it or not . the only thing that we can do here is record the vin and tag for future references for the poor guy who said he paid 100K for an original X-11 car from the original owner. :sad:

All that calling and emailing you guys are doing has not done anything .. as of today Feb 12 .. 9:30pm central time .. the add is still on! This stuff is gonna happen weather you guys like it or not . the only thing that we can do here is record the vin and tag for future references for the poor guy who said he paid 100K for an original X-11 car from the original owner. :sad:

FYI. I just emailed New York State Police today at 7:00pm so I don't expect an answer within an hour!!!Yes it will happen whether or not some of us like it or not but at least some of us are willing to try and do something about it instead of just saying"the only thing that we can do here is record the vin and tag for future references for the poor guy who said he paid 100K for an original X-11 car from the original owner. :sad:

I reported it to eBay.

Larry


Larry posted this yesterday @ 9pm to Ebay themselves. !! that was 24 hrs ago....... I mean theres only so much one can do ... I take my hat off to you guys for reporting this stuff. ... I typed alot more stuff but I deleted it .. I'll just stay quite from now on.

I reported it to ebay after I read this thread yesterday ...

Will do it again

So, which is it, "The picture of the "actual" Camaro is there to show you what kind of stripes the car had on it...", or "It was a Hugger Orange Super Sport with White stripes."

$500 is a good price to "collect" these tags. :sad:

Larry

NYSP e-mailed and forwarded it to NY DMV for further investigation.

"Just an update - your case has been forwarded to an Investigator from the Department of Motor Vehicles.
Inv. Ed Hughes"

I wonder how serious they take those thnigs? Here in San Antonio this old lady rear ended my car leaving some scratches and minor dents when I tried to get her to pull over she took off! I was pissed since it was new paint and I called the police who sent someone out to take a report. When he called her number and got no answer that was the end of the investigation. :mad:

I wonder how serious they take those thnigs?:mad:

probably not that serious.

hmmmmmmm we going on almost 48 hrs after the first report was sent .... and the auction is still on.

FYI. I just emailed New York State Police today at 7:00pm so I don't expect an answer within an hour!!!Yes it will happen whether or not some of us like it or not but at least some of us are willing to try and do something about it instead of just saying"the only thing that we can do here is record the vin and tag for future references for the poor guy who said he paid 100K for an original X-11 car from the original owner. :sad:
I've been quiet about this as long as I can..what do any of you expect to accomplish by reporting people to the police.what difference does it make to your personal life what other people do with there cars or parts of there cars.if someone does'nt like what your doing,legal or not,would you want them sticking there nose in your business and calling the police on you.do you really think your going to make a difference in this hobby.personally,I can find better things to do with my time then spending it on e-bay looking for someone to throw stones at..if its not causing you any problems,why worry about it.. because you cant stop it from happening.

NYSP e-mailed and forwarded it to NY DMV for further investigation.

"Just an update - your case has been forwarded to an Investigator from the Department of Motor Vehicles.
Inv. Ed Hughes"

I also emailed NYSP last night and received this response today........

Sir,
Somebody else has already submitted the same information and it is presently being researched. Thanks for your sumbission.
Inv. Ed Hughes

Looks like at least somebody takes this type of activity seriously.

I've been quiet about this as long as I can..what do any of you expect to accomplish by reporting people to the police.what difference does it make to your personal life what other people do with there cars or parts of there cars.if someone does'nt like what your doing,legal or not,would you want them sticking there nose in your business and calling the police on you.do you really think your going to make a difference in this hobby.personally,I can find better things to do with my time then spending it on e-bay looking for someone to throw stones at..if its not causing you any problems,why worry about it.. because you cant stop it from happening.


.....and heaven forbid that you are ever scammed by someone like the scumbag on Ebay especially if you post on here about it and you start b!*chin' and moaning about it, then let be first in line to offer you some "cheese" to go with that "whine":yes:

I've been quiet about this as long as I can..what do any of you expect to accomplish by reporting people to the police.what difference does it make to your personal life what other people do with there cars or parts of there cars.if someone does'nt like what your doing,legal or not,would you want them sticking there nose in your business and calling the police on you.do you really think your going to make a difference in this hobby.personally,I can find better things to do with my time then spending it on e-bay looking for someone to throw stones at..if its not causing you any problems,why worry about it.. because you cant stop it from happening.
Personally, it makes me feel good when an ILLEGAL item is taken off eBay.

Larry

I also emailed NYSP last night and received this response today........

Sir,
Somebody else has already submitted the same information and it is presently being researched. Thanks for your sumbission.
Inv. Ed Hughes

Looks like at least somebody takes this type of activity seriously.

that means that they Googling these key words " Legal Illegal sell vin cowl tag"

I will keep checking back and see if or when this add will ever go off .. or will the auction end.

usually when someone posts something up in the Bench Racing like : "check out this ebay fool" ........ by the time we click on the link it was removed already. So obviously they are quick and fast on removing things. there must be something that they are gonna let this auction continue.

that means that they Googling these key words " Legal Illegal sell vin cowl tag"

I will keep checking back and see if or when this add will ever go off .. or will the auction end.

usually when someone posts something up in the Bench Racing like : "check out this ebay fool" ........ by the time we click on the link it was removed already. So obviously they are quick and fast on removing things. there must be something that they are gonna let this auction continue.

They didn't have to Google these key words " Legal Illegal sell vin cowl tag", I included the link to that Ebay listing in my email. Oh, by the way I'll be checking out the auction as well. :yes:

lets make a poll and see if this auction will get taken down or not :D

So its ILLEGAL .. everyone can admit on that! Why doesn't ebay see that, im telling you there is something thats letting it slip thru a loop hole!!

lets make a poll and see if this auction will get taken down or not :D

So its ILLEGAL .. everyone can admit on that! Why doesn't ebay see that, im telling you there is something thats letting it slip thru a loop hole!!

It's the "Trim Tag/Tags" that are listed for the auction,not the VIN's even though the VIN's are pictured along with the Trim Tag/Tags.The winning bidder will be "asked by the seller if he would like to purchase the VIN's for an addition $xxx amount of money on top of his winning bid:yes:

I don't get scammed and I would'nt waste my time crying about it to people online..so give your cheese to a mouse..

Well - now the Firebird that he was going to put them on is listed as well...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-69-Camaro-Clone_W0QQitemZ190198590209QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6161 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

At least he seems to be a bit honest and stopped before he was in to far.

I can see where some people could think this was OK - heck, I owned the original car, I own the car I want to put them on, it's my property, it's my money, I didn't steal anything, why not? This sounds reasonable until they go to sell it and pass it off as an original. Of course, it's also illegal, but if you never get out or browse the internet, maybe you don't know.

I probably wouldn't do anything to the guy with the listing either if I was a NY Trooper. I would tell EBay to let the listing run. I would wait until the next person bought it and tried to register/title it and then do something. The crime is committed by the person illegally putting them on another car. Investigating a person selling tags on EBay isn't a very good use of our NY tax dollars.

Edit - I just realized even though it could be the same guy (different EBay IDs), they are in neighboring towns and one is X11 and the other X44. Unusual to have 2 listed so close to each other. If the same person buys both items, then the plan is obvious.

-Dan

I don't get scammed and I would'nt waste my time crying about it to people online..so give your cheese to a mouse..


I'll be saving the "cheese" for your "whine":yes:

I'll be saving the "cheese" for your "whine":yes:


please stop

Don't know why the State Police notified DMV for investigation when its SP who investigates. DMV will do their administrative thing on their end then notify the State Police for further investigation and arrest, if any.

please stop

Gotcha:yes: 2 wrongs do not = 1 right. I guess some people aren't as adamant about trying to stop honest individuals from becoming victims of a scammer as I am:noway:. That's ok by me from now on but I do resent individuals that say

"what difference does it make to your personal life what other people do with there cars or parts of there cars.if someone does'nt like what your doing,legal or not,would you want them sticking there nose in your business and calling the police on you.do you really think your going to make a difference in this hobby.personally,I can find better things to do with my time then spending it on e-bay looking for someone to throw stones at..if its not causing you any problems,why worry about it.. because you cant stop it from happening."

I have left off who originally made this qoute but it's not hard to figure out who it was:yes::thumbsup:

Look at it this way, perhaps your efforts will save one individual from getting scammed in the purchase of a car To me, it's worth the effort. What possible good can come of selling tags?

Here's what happens when people get involved:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127161

alan

Look at it this way, perhaps your efforts will save one individual from getting scammed in the purchase of a car To me, it's worth the effort. What possible good can come of selling tags?

Here's what happens when people get involved:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127161

alan

I had saw that when you first posted it up !! almost sounds like the beginning of a Bruce Willis movie.

I think Cops would rather try and catch someone like that who commits a Real Crime and they turn the cheek on something like this .

Hints. .
Alans wife calls Police... "Robbery in Progress" Police is there in seconds.

Here .... Trim tag for sale with possible Vin to go with it at the end of the sale .......... Reported to Ebay .. Reported to NY Police .. Fwd'ed to DMV of New York .. seems like they dont care.

thats all Im saying ......... theres only so much you can do on your behalf and for the love of this hobby.

Robert.

Edit .. I just checked it and its off "Invalid Item" . Hats off to you guys ! and for the cops... a small golf Clap

I had saw that when you first posted it up !! almost sounds like the beginning of a Bruce Willis movie.

I think Cops would rather try and catch someone like that who commits a Real Crime and they turn the cheek on something like this .

Hints. .
Alans wife calls Police... "Robbery in Progress" Police is there in seconds.

Here .... Trim tag for sale with possible Vin to go with it at the end of the sale .......... Reported to Ebay .. Reported to NY Police .. Fwd'ed to DMV of New York .. seems like they dont care.

thats all Im saying ......... theres only so much you can do on your behalf and for the love of this hobby.

Robert.

Edit .. I just checked it and its off "Invalid Item" . Hats off to you guys ! and for the cops... a small golf Clap

Thanks man:yes::thumbsup:

OK , now my turn. First of all selling of VINs are illegal anywhere in the US.. second of all the selling of fake cowl tags is illegal in the US.. third of all those that wine about others trying to stop these sales can screw. Anyone that puts a little effort towards taking these items off of the internet to protect individuals that do not know what they are buying deserves credit not ridicule. I myself have had more than a dozen cowl/ vin tags removed from ebay either by contacting ebay or contacting the seller themselves and in some cases threatening the seller with the state police knocking at thier door. Its not a fake threat either , I will have the SP knocking at the door of someone pulling an illegal scam. I have started prosicution against someone as far as across the country just by taking 30 mins of my time and it does work. I have also sent a simple email to others just miles away and had them change thier minds about selling these items . So if you think its a waste of time you just let others take care of the hobby you enjoy. speed up , pull over , just get out of my way

I will continue to report loose VIN tags whenever I come across them. Selling a loose VIN is illegal; this is a fact. Anyone condoning or participating in something like this ought to expect to get nailed eventually, and I am glad to help in any way I can. Anyone who believes they 'don't get scammed' needs to put down the proverbial glass pipe - our cars are extremely valuable and people will go to great lengths to make heaps of cash. Some of the most high profile muscle cars have recently been exposed as very well done rebodies.

I will continue to report loose VIN tags whenever I come across them. Selling a loose VIN is illegal; this is a fact. Anyone condoning or participating in something like this ought to expect to get nailed eventually, and I am glad to help in any way I can. Anyone who believes they 'don't get scammed' needs to put down the proverbial glass pipe - our cars are extremely valuable and people will go to great lengths to make heaps of cash. Some of the most high profile muscle cars have recently been exposed as very well done rebodies.

This is what I wanted to happen a while ago and sort set me back when noone took initiative. I am freaken tickled hugger orange to see all that are willing to step up. You cant just make a click or two on ebay though. You have to contact the local or state police depts. where the person is from. It doesnt take much to find that info. Look at thier previous or present sales to see what town and state, look up the areas site and look for emergency contacts , call the non-emergency # and tell the person that there is an illegal sale of car tags. They will point you in the right direction , its simple. Alot of times the disspatcher will tell you that an officer will contact you and within mins they do. You give them the item # on ebay and they punch it up on thier comp. in the car . If you talk to them decently they will even send follow-ups on the investigation[no names though] Still a good feeling knowing that someone out there isn't going to get screwed by that person today

Heres a sample , bust this guys chops. The tag says 09e X code . I thought they didnt make X codes before 12B or somewhere in that vicinity. Email him and tell him to remove it and contact ebay , go under GOV IDs and under EBAY MOTORS do it twice. plus contact the buyers and tell them that X codes didnt happen prior to dec
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260210442263&rd=1

X33 or X77's before 12B? Or all X codes?

Heres a sample , bust this guys chops. The tag says 09e X code . I thought they didnt make X codes before 12B or somewhere in that vicinity. Email him and tell him to remove it and contact ebay , go under GOV IDs and under EBAY MOTORS do it twice. plus contact the buyers and tell them that X codes didnt happen prior to dec
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260210442263&rd=1

ahem

they made 69 Camaros through the END of 1969 ...

a 09 dated X code tag is a legit item ...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------chevy

"OK , now my turn. First of all selling of VINs are illegal anywhere in the US.. second of all the selling of fake cowl tags is illegal in the US.. third of all those that wine about others trying to stop these sales can screw." "Heres a sample , bust this guys chops. The tag says 09e X code . I thought they didnt make X codes before 12B or somewhere in that vicinity. Email him and tell him to remove it and contact ebay , go under GOV IDs and under EBAY MOTORS do it twice. plus contact the buyers and tell them that X codes didnt happen prior to dec"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...210442263&rd=1 ahem

they made 69 Camaros through the END of 1969 ...

a 09 dated X code tag is a legit item ... chevy I completely agree that these practices by the crooks and scammers should be policed by whomever wishes to get involved,However be very carefull b4 you start Busting someone's Chop's that you are sure your in the know. You can buy and sell Fake trim tags anywhere except OK,Legally sad but FACT

please stop

Just to be clear, I meant stop the cheese-whine nonsense, not the pursuit of justice and integrity in our hobby.

Just to be clear, I meant stop the cheese-whine nonsense, not the pursuit of justice and integrity in our hobby.

I understood perfectly what you meant:yes:

GONE!!!!

Larry

These tags that are posted on EBAY get recorded for reference. If a car is retagged and publicly put for sale will most likely be identified.

Chev67-it is not illegal in all states, just a few bleeding heart ones, to sell trim tags. Also, who on this web has the legal authority to decide what is fake and what is not. This is supposed to be a hobby, however, a few of you self-appointed and I use the term loosly "judges" have now decided to take it to a new level and hold court on what is and what isn't. None of you have the moral, much less legal authority to do that-myself included. I have listened quietly for many,many months but somebody has to finally stand up and be counted and respectfully disagree even when the majority may stay silent because its easier that way.

I understood perfectly what you meant:yes:

Coolio :thumbsup:

For those of you who do not have it,here is the phone # for Ebay to report VIN's for auction on Ebay....

1-800-717-3229

I reported the auction to Ebay and called the 800 #. We will see what they do?

I did not know you could call the but I try to email them when I can thanks for the number.
Bob

Chev67-it is not illegal in all states, just a few bleeding heart ones, to sell trim tags. Also, who on this web has the legal authority to decide what is fake and what is not. This is supposed to be a hobby, however, a few of you self-appointed and I use the term loosly "judges" have now decided to take it to a new level and hold court on what is and what isn't. None of you have the moral, much less legal authority to do that-myself included. I have listened quietly for many,many months but somebody has to finally stand up and be counted and respectfully disagree even when the majority may stay silent because its easier that way.
I'm with you..this is a hobby..and a lot of people here seem to forget that its JUST A CAR...not a life and death matter.but as you have correctly stated,some people think they have the right to tell others what they can do with there cars..I personally have been holding on to a 69 vin tag for 20 years off a car that I scrapped.and one day soon,it will go on a dynacorn.

I will continue to report loose VIN tags whenever I come across them. Selling a loose VIN is illegal; this is a fact. Anyone condoning or participating in something like this ought to expect to get nailed eventually, and I am glad to help in any way I can. Anyone who believes they 'don't get scammed' needs to put down the proverbial glass pipe - our cars are extremely valuable and people will go to great lengths to make heaps of cash. Some of the most high profile muscle cars have recently been exposed as very well done rebodies.

My thoughts as well.

The people who care about this the most are people who consider their car an investment. Very few cars turn out to be investments and out of all the Z28s, SS, etc I've seen sold even on BJ, none work out to be much of an investment. Problem is, to many with the supposedly "investment" cars, it's no longer a hobby. I can't feel sorry for those that play at BJ or the other big auctions and pay $200k for a Z28 - their hobby is spending money on cars.

I would have done the dynacorn body swap if I had the money. In the long run, it would probably cost less, but what fun would that be:) I like spending nickels and dimes...

-Dan

Has TC been infiltrated with the TT sellers and scammers trying to legitimize their profession?

No doubt in my mind anyone who reproduces tags or wants to swap tags and so forth visits this site and "tag team" on a daily basis. We have also seen the sellers from ebay and other auction/sale sources come on and try to vilify the people who have a real heart felt passion for these cars and what they represent. And I trust, as somone called them, "the self appointed judges" because through years of data collecting and countless hours they have spent researching has taught me more about these cars that I could ever imagine. And they are always willing to give an answer to legimate question FOR FREE.

Whoever says these cars are not alive you are mistaken. These cars have taken on lives of thier own through the many folks that have that deep passion. I've seen lives revolve around some of these cars. From the total rust bucket shell to the lowest mile pristine survivor they all have thier story.

Which brings me to "tag team". My feeling about what tag team is all about is more for the "purists" and those interested in truly seeing what the factory built original car was, preserved, and/or is restored as.

Yes people are protecting thier own investments by snuffing out the fake cars and components. We are sort of like stockholders but our stock is made of metal and materials and sits in the garage. When the market is up we have made a good investment. When it's down we still love our cars!

No doubt in my mind anyone who reproduces tags or wants to swap tags and so forth visits this site and "tag team" on a daily basis. We have also seen the sellers from ebay and other auction/sale sources come on and try to vilify the people who have a real heart felt passion for these cars and what they represent. And I trust, as somone called them, "the self appointed judges" because through years of data collecting and countless hours they have spent researching has taught me more about these cars that I could ever imagine. And they are always willing to give an answer to legimate question FOR FREE.

Whoever says these cars are not alive you are mistaken. These cars have taken on lives of thier own through the many folks that have that deep passion. I've seen lives revolve around some of these cars. From the total rust bucket shell to the lowest mile pristine survivor they all have thier story.

Which brings me to "tag team". My feeling about what tag team is all about is more for the "purists" and those interested in truly seeing what the factory built original car was, preserved, and/or is restored as.

Yes people are protecting thier own investments by snuffing out the fake cars and components. We are sort of like stockholders but our stock is made of metal and materials and sits in the garage. When the market is up we have made a good investment. When it's down we still love our cars!

:hurray:Very well said:yes::D:beers: