Hi guys,
I really liked the flat black of a person camaro they posted up here awhile back, it was under the "rat rod camaro" title? I dont know what that color is or where to get it, point me in the right direction please! If you have any pics or anything can I see? I dont want to get a expensive paint job or a macco one that will go bad. I go to the local JC u see, and people dont respect each others property. Also whats the prep required for this!? Thanks!
-Levi

I've done a couple pick-up projects in Kirker's "Hot Rod Black" 2K (#UA-70388)and they have turned out and held up well.
This is not a primer, but a true single-stage acrylic urethane top-coat and will not fade and chalk like primers will.
Here's a link to Kirker's site info - http://www.kirkerautomotive.com/html/hot_rod_black.html

I bought the material through - http://www.smartshoppersinc.com/index.html
The paint (UA-70388 gal.) and Activator (UA-1600*qrt.) will run under #100 for paint and shipping.

You will still need to sand and prime the body before applying this, but it will be ready for any paint you want after that.

Hope this helps

It somewhat confused me...lol. I have a second gen camaro. Does anyone care to chime in with a galon or two will be able to do the entire car? John (vintage 68) thank you! You went out of your way on this one for all the info! I just gotta know how much to order now. Would you happen to have any of those pics from ur truck?

I haven't used this exact product, but have had good experiences with Eastwood in the past:thumbsup:
Check them out:yes:
here is a link to http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=19627&itemType=PRODUCT

... I just gotta know how much to order now. Would you happen to have any of those pics from ur truck?

First, they weren't my vehicles, I just pulled the trigger on 'em for friends :thumbsup:
One was a older 4X4 Toyota (Rat-Rice ???) and the other was a 70's Chevy shortbed PU.
Nah, these weren't the kind of vehicles you take pictures of ;) I don't even keep pictures of my own thingys let alone others anyway. I think my nephew has sold that Toyota, so he's probably no help now either.
Truthfully, the color is pretty non-discript and doesn't photograph all that well. Pictures of most of the trucks and rat-rods you see highlight the pinstriping, wheels or bright painted accents more than the paint color.

You should be fine with a Gallon of color and of quart of activator tp do your whole car with the usual two coats required.
Also need a Gallon of a primer/sealer and activator to do the job.

If you really want to go-on-the-cheap - you might just swing by the 'ol John-Deer dealer and see how much a Gallon of JD 'Blitz-Black' would run ya. This stuff is tuff and would probably hold up pretty well - just never tried it myself.

John, I may be kinda cheap right now, I listen to country music but im not hill billying this maro lol. (no offence to the hill billys). Cool, now I know how much to get :D. The primer sealer ill be sure to get. I wont shoot it myself ill take it to a freind or something. thank you.

Bad,

If it was my car, here is the paint you need....


PPG non sanding epoxy primer black DP90LF (2 quarts to paint Camaro)

PPG epoxy Primer Catalyst DP402LF (1 quart)

Mix 2 parts paint with 1 part catalyst


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I thought the term Ratrod was just as the old rods are coming out, just applying bleach to bare metal or unprepped metal? Not to say a primered first gen does not look better .

There is a flatening agent you put in paint, don't know the name.

Bad,

If it was my car, here is the paint you need....


PPG non sanding epoxy primer black DP90LF (2 quarts to paint Camaro)


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DP90LF is a fantastic product - but, NOT AS A TOP COAT :noway:
PPG does not even recommend it :noway:
It does not have the UV inhibutor that is in the Kirker product and will not hold up on a vehicle if it is exposed to the sun on a regular basis.
It is also will allow moisture to penitrate to the steel and cause rusting from below after prolonged exposure to weather.

If it was a grage queen this might be an acceptable top-coat - but not an a daily driver.

I use DP48 and 90 on nearly every car I build - as sealer/base primer over metal - as specified by PPG ...

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Well, I did some looking and found BadAss's Camaro... I like it :yes:

http://hem.bredband.net/camarossrs1/cam69swe_070416.jpg

While its certainly different, and nicely done, wouldn't it look a lot better in gloss black?

Rat rodding is a phase, and really gear toward things that look like they were pieced together from a bone yard using different models of cars and not for a nicely done Camaro, or any other model. It doesn't cost any less to paint a car flat black than it does to paint it a gloss color unless your using primer, which won't hold up for very long. Anyone with a flat black car will be repainting it some normal color in a couple of years when the fad goes away. Plus if you want to sell it your going to take a huge hit on the sale price. Just my $.02.

Well, I did some looking and found BadAss's Camaro... I like it :yes:

http://hem.bredband.net/camarossrs1/cam69swe_070416.jpg
EXACTLY! Paint is very pretty, I dont want my car pretty like omg dont touch it ull mess it up. I want the dominance. Im going to try and keep my camaro real, starting with that color. That car is a beautiful car. Mind if I use it as my bkgd?

It's not mine ( but I could dream :D )

Well, I did some looking and found BadAss's Camaro... I like it :yes:

http://hem.bredband.net/camarossrs1/cam69swe_070416.jpg

Looks plain MEAN to me. I like it!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That picture must have taken in Europe :confused:

While its certainly different, and nicely done, wouldn't it look a lot better in gloss black?

IMHO NO!

Also, IMHO, the term Rat Rod is being misapplied. The car shown is a hot rod in flat paint. A Rat Rod is typically a bare bones thrown together amalgamation of inexpensive parts, sometimes very cool, normally a P.O.S.

And as far as going out of style.... ever seen the movie "2 Lane Blacktop"? You know the grey primered 55 Chevy with the tilt front end and big block Chevy with a whinin' 4 speed... that car is burned into my mind like a brand.

Real Old School Hot Rods will never go out of style. Bad Ass's car certainly qualifies.

im going to pull the rear seats out and put something else in there place. Im going to make it a two seater instead of 4. I want a nice car when im older, I want a bad ass/nice car/slapped together car while im young.

I purchased this car for my son and let him select the color. He found BadAss's Camaro on this forum and HAD to have the exact same color. The painter and I were both dead-set against this color - However, it is my son's car (he earned it in grades) so I let him have final say. After it came out of the shop last week, both the painter and I changed our tune and love it! Thanks again to BadAss for sending me the paint color and brand! Now we get to put it back together!

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w115/geano/camaroMar2008.jpg

What color was used under the hood, hinges, and jamb areas? Is everything flat black?

I'm a pro painter and I'm seriously diggin this look.. Though I will be doing it with a quality clearcoat with flattenning base added to it..

Just to bring the thread back up, it looks awesome!

I purchased this car for my son and let him select the color. He found BadAss's Camaro on this forum and HAD to have the exact same color. The painter and I were both dead-set against this color - However, it is my son's car (he earned it in grades) so I let him have final say. After it came out of the shop last week, both the painter and I changed our tune and love it! Thanks again to BadAss for sending me the paint color and brand! Now we get to put it back together!

What was the paint color and brand?

Use PPG Base coat with no clear over a good primer. Base coat is semi-gloss and I have used it where I want a semi finish, frame, undercarriage and the tail of a BB. It works fine and is reasonable and later shoot another coat and clear when you go to sell. I did the parts I mentioned 15 years ago to my BB and it looks great.

I have used PPG or Dupont Base coat over a good primer for the frame, undercarriage and the tail of a BB. I did a BB 15 years ago and it has held up fine. The finish is smoothe and a semi-gloss. You can shoot another coat in a few years and clear coat then sell as a gloss #10

I second the motion on the Kircher Hot Rod Black. My '68 camaro will get it's corvette bronze factory color but I did do my '76 chevy C10 shortbox stepside in the flat black. It's my daily driver. The paint goes on easy, looks great, and is very affordable. One gallon did two coats on the pu and was under $90 for paint and hardener.

go to lowes or home depot and buy some black rustoluem i did my camaro in it and it looks tough

YouTube - Teen building a 67 Rat Rod camaro part 1

Here is mine I just shot last week. It is the final sealer coat. I damn near left it be.......

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa282/Kokamo44/69%20Rising%20from%20the%20ashes/IMG_3322.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa282/Kokamo44/69%20Rising%20from%20the%20ashes/IMG_3323.jpg

The problem with the sealers and primers mentioned is longevity and protection. The problem with adding a matte to a clear is that if you don't mix it right and spray it right it will not look the same. So, if you ever have to reshoot a panel, it runs a good chance of being off.

I did my 50 Chevy in SEM HotRod black. Its a true paint, readily available, and mixes the same everytime. The colored primers are cool but will not offer the protection of a paint like SEM. Mine is flat black, a hodge podge of parts from various cars, but not a POS ;)