Anybody know this car? I'd like opinions on the DZ stamp, as well as any other general comments, please.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Z-28-camaro-all-s-match-302-DZ-M-22-restored-nice_W0QQitemZ220226553742QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks.

I don't know the car or the owner but since we both live pretty close to it I'd be happy to go look at it with you if you are interested in it.

From what I can see it looks pretty nicely done!

they explain that the engine and trans are the original "born with" units for the car but the rear axle just appears to be "correct" and perhaps not original to the car based on the way they worded the prior items and the way they worded the axle info ...

refreshing to see a "correct" restoration WITHOUT the 67 GM sticker on the door edges and the Ford "Caution Fan" sticker ... :)

appears to be a very nice car ...

refreshing to see a "correct" restoration WITHOUT the 67 GM sticker on the door edges ...

Better take another look.

The VIN stamp by the oil filter should be a very strong case for born with. The pad stamp is easy enough to redo, even if obviously wrong, but to fake a stamp in the rough casting and have it look correct would be very difficult. The stamp on the trans casing is strong evidence also. As far as the rear axle not being original, who can say positively since there is no matching VIN stamped in them. If all the dates line up, that is about as accurate as it gets.

Beautiful car !!! Have it checked closely before purchase. I always wonder why anyone would advertise one of these without having a McNeish certificate on hand. Seems it would eliminate doubt and bring top dollar.

Good luck......

Looks like a nice car, but it looks like it has a chambered exhaust system. I believe that the car build date is way too late for chambered exhaust.

I like the X inspection marks everywhere... that is soooo coool!!!

Shouldn't a second week of September of 69 car have the new style door jamb with the two parallel embossed lines for the VIN sticker? I like the car

Shouldn't a second week of September of 69 car have the new style door jamb with the two parallel embossed lines for the VIN sticker? I like the car



I would think so, my 08C has them

Shouldn't a second week of September of 69 car have the new style door jamb with the two parallel embossed lines for the VIN sticker? I like the car

I think I see them.:)

Bad rear stripes by the window. OOPS. The shifter is after-market Hurst and the spare wheel does not look like a "YH". Pretty nice car considering it is LM Blue.;)

Better take another look.

it was not easy to see because of the color, oh well, points off for using the 67 sticker on a 69 ...

it just dropped a notch in my book

WHY do people put those stupid 67 GM decals on everything????

From MacNeish's book address's both the VIN decal on the drivers door and the blue GM decal... clickable thumbnail


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/Daytona%20Yellow%20%20X77D80/th_Picture.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/ChevyThunder/Daytona%20Yellow%20%20X77D80/Picture.jpg)

There's a reason they probably didn't have Jerry look at the car.
IMO, the stamps and tag are not original. :(
Nice car, but....

There's a reason they probably didn't have Jerry look at the car.
IMO, the stamps and tag are not original. :(
Nice car, but....

My point exactly.........;)
Anyone considering laying out the huge cash payment for an "original, numbers matching, blah, blah, blah, Z in the atmosphere that surrounds these cars is nuts not to have a "certified" inspection done beforehand. I think most restorers/builders/sellers of these cars also know of Jerry and I see their lack of certification as avoidance. If they have a "real" Z, why not pay for the certification??? They would most certainly get the cost back at the time of sale.

There's a reason they probably didn't have Jerry look at the car.
IMO, the stamps and tag are not original. :(
Nice car, but....


I do not see the tag picture in the auction? Did the owner remove it?

I do not see the tag picture in the auction? Did the owner remove it?
I know it used to be there. Apparently more than one person is questioning its authenticity. Friggin $65k for a car that has raised a few skeptical eyebrows.....geez.

I know it used to be there. Apparently more than one person is questioning its authenticity. Friggin $65k for a car that has raised a few skeptical eyebrows.....geez.

If he did remove it there should be a note that an edit was done to the auction??? right??? In a way I feel sorry for the guy who is paying this kind of coin if the authenticity is in question but "Stupid is ...stupid does" , I guess.

No...when they edit the auction, there is no record of it.

I think most restorers/builders/sellers of these cars also know of Jerry and I see their lack of certification as avoidance.


I do not agree with this portion of your statement. Though a certification from a well known expert would be great not every person or dealer knows about Jerry or other respected authorities on the subject. I don't think the lack of a cert is avoidance. As a matter of fact I have seen where sellers have gotten the cars certified or appraised and usually the person doing the appraisal has all kinds of qualifications listed but knows so little about the cars they spell Camaro with an A and an E :)

Shouldn't a second week of September of 69 car have the new style door jamb with the two parallel embossed lines for the VIN sticker? I like the car

I don't see the ribs at all. All the cars after first week of Aug. should have the ribs. Appears the door is off on earlier car. Would need to see a better pic to say for sure.

He sent me a pic of the tag.

http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/eb/77/ad4a_3.JPG http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/eb/3a/f794_1.JPG

it was not easy to see because of the color, oh well, points off for using the 67 sticker on a 69 ...

it just dropped a notch in my book

WHY do people put those stupid 67 GM decals on everything????

I don't know. My car had those on it. When I found out they're not right, I took them off. At the car shows around here, most of the Camaros had the caution fan stickers on them. I asked a few of the owners if they knew that was a Ford sticker. They said they see them on the other cars, so they put one on.
I was even watching BJ auction and a "caller" called in to tell the commentators that the caution fan sticker was never put on the 1st gen Camaros. It was someone that worked at GM and was a Judge for Corvettes. I would almost bet it was John Z.

Just my opinion, but the "0"s and "8" are different in each.

I got a picture of the tag as well. What does Kurt say? Something is not lining up on the tag.

Just my opinion, but the "0"s and "8" are different in each.

Not surprising. Those pad stamps are a year apart. That's an apple vs an orange.

Those two engine pad stampings are almost a year apart. The 1018 one is from October of 68, the 0822 one is from this car, a late 69 car. You can't tell anything by comparing them to each other, you need to compare like for like as the stamps were reloaded every day, some characters remained the same from day to day, but certainly not over a 10 month period. I know the 1018 one is real, the other is questionable.

Thanks for the comments. It's difficult to find a real Z, and you guys are a big help. I'll be looking at Carlisle tomorrow.

Wouldn't the 1018 one also carry a partial VIN?

Anybody know this car? I'd like opinions on the DZ stamp, as well as any other general comments, please.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Z-28-camaro-all-s-match-302-DZ-M-22-restored-nice_W0QQitemZ220226553742QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks.

This one is questionable because of the trim tag. Other items as mentioned are wrong as well. I would look elsewhere.

Thanks for the comments. It's difficult to find a real Z, and you guys are a big help. I'll be looking at Carlisle tomorrow.

I looked around there all day today and only saw one Z...an X77 "project" with a 350 for 24K that was very rough.

Thanks Mark and Kurt for your explanations on the stamp date differences. This is a great forum in which to learn.

1. The blue GM door sticker is NOT 1967. 67 is turquoise.

2. Anyone trying to shift that car the way he has the shifter hooked up is for an intersting time.

Nice "looking" car.

Rick H.

G 29 9 for a block date and Aug 22 for a assm. date seems a little long maybe .