I did a pretty extensive search on here and got some good info. But I couldnt really piece enough together to get all the answers i wanted for my exact situation.

I have lived long enough with the wheel hop on my 67 and would reeaaally like to get rid of it. Its flat out become overly annoying.

I currently have stock mono leaf springs on the car. Also have CE subframe connecters on the car. With 425HP its fun to spin the tires from time to time but with the wheel hop its a major buzz kill.

I will not be racing the car. I would just like to know what, if anything, i can do to get rid of the wheel hop for street play. I did see both Caltracs and slide a link mentioned in my search. But sounds like Caltracs are really more for racing applications.
What can/should i do..if anything.. given my current set of circumstances to help with the problem.

I installed GW multileaf springs....no wheel hop ever and I've run as fast as 11.99 at the track.

Agreed, get yourself a set of GW or DSE springs and you should be good to go. Car will ride better too.

FYI, you can loosen the Caltracs during street driving so there's no preload and shoudl also prevent hop while not giving a hard or harsh ride.

I did not realize that it would take care of it by switching springs. :clonk: If thats true i guess im pretty upset at myself for not doing it sooner. For some reason i thought i had heard on here in the past that just switching to multi-leaf springs wouldnt solve the problem.
Ok, here comes a dumb question..what is the GW in GW leafsprings? Where can you buy them?

Paul-Cool youtube video from the speedchannel

I did not realize that it would take care of it by switching springs. :clonk: If thats true i guess im pretty upset at myself for not doing it sooner. For some reason i thought i had heard on here in the past that just switching to multi-leaf springs wouldnt solve the problem.
Ok, here comes a dumb question..what is the GW in GW leafsprings? Where can you buy them?

GW = Global West = http://www.globalwest.net

I have to be honest here....I didn't think that I would be able to run 1.6x sixty foots without any traction devices. I thought that I would need caltracs or something but I am a novice drag racer so what do I know, LOL!

Everyone that I see at the track has something bolted to the rear suspension to help the car hook, but my GW leaf springs are working. I want to see how low I can get my sixty foots with just leaf springs and fifteen dollar rear shocks. I think with the motor running right I should be able to get 1.5x sixty foots, but we'll see.

So far it seems like if I can get the front suspension to "work" meaning come up and allow weight transfer to the back, the only thing that I need in the rear suspension is something stiff enough (from the axle to the front of the spring) to prevent wheel hop and keep the tires planted. The other thing I need, obviously are sufficiently sticky rear tires. But again...I'm just a novice racer so I don't know a whole lot.


Paul-Cool youtube video from the speedchannel

Thanks, it was fun!!

There are several companies that make multileaf springs. If you go with a 5 leaf you will have to change the perches on your diff. There are also several companies that make 3 leaf replacements that fit on the mono leaf perch. It depends on what you are looking for. JC Whitney sells the 3 leaf models, and many folks have bought and used them, I have seen some good comments. There are also other folks that carry them, you might look and see if there is someone local, cause they are kind of heavy and can cost a few bucks in shipping.

I have actually seen the JC Whitney springs discussed on here before. Seems if i remember correct people were saying they had ordered them and were waiting looooong periods of time to get them..and were still waiting. Not sure if thats been resolved. Maybe someone can chime in.
I assume the GW are a 5 leaf and id have to change the perches?
Sorry...should have put this in the suspension section...

From GW's site....

Part # L-2 ------ L-2 is designed for performance street and racing applications. We use this spring a lot with our performance street and race car combinations. L-2's unique leaf arrangement control spring wrap-up which causes wheel hop. Using this type of spring combined with Del-a-lum bushings and performance shocks generally eliminates the need for traction bars. This leaf is used on 67-69 Camaro and Firebirds. L-2's also lower the vehicle 1-1/4 inches from stock.

Note: 1967-69 Camaro/Firebirds with mono leafs require hardware pack kit 1035 for converting over to multi leafs.


P.S. Ummm...converting to GW springs is pretty expensive, $375 for springs, $215 for shackles and bushings and $65 for a bolt in kit to convert from monos to multis....maybe a $50 traction bar would be better, LOL! I've had these springs for a long time, so I guess I had forgotten how pricey they are.

Yeah its a little pricier than i had expected..but i would pay that kind of money to have a real nice setup that takes care of wheel hop. Thanks again!!

For ride height comparison....This picture shows my camaro with BFG 245/60/15's and the L-2 leaf spring:

http://www.stratagaz.com/67L30M35RS/67CamaroRSExterior03.jpg

and with Hoosier 275/50/15 (25.7" tall or so):

http://www.stratagaz.com/NewHoosiers01.JPG

http://www.stratagaz.com/NewHoosiers02.JPG

For ride height comparison....This picture shows my camaro with BFG 245/60/15's and the L-2 leaf spring:

http://www.stratagaz.com/67L30M35RS/67CamaroRSExterior03.jpg

and with Hoosier 275/50/15 (25.7" tall or so):

http://www.stratagaz.com/NewHoosiers01.JPG

http://www.stratagaz.com/NewHoosiers02.JPG

you must read minds..i was just going to ask if you had a pic of ride height with those springs. And i run 245/60/15s as well :thumbsup:
FWIW..the ride height actually looks pretty close to mine now.

FWIW..the ride height actually looks pretty close to mine now.

Ya, I didn't notice much change on the 69 ragtop or the 67 coupe with those springs....

Sounds like i have my first project of next winter. :)

We have the L-2 Cat5 leafs on my wife's car, they are around 240 lbs/inch and pretty serious in rate. The Hotchkis leafs are 175 lbs/inch, factory multi leaf are 120, mono leaf are around 80 lbs/inch. Three leaf springs will fit in a mono perch but the mono perch has no hole to receive the bolt head. A spacer plate must be used, thick enough for the center bolt head. If angle shims are used, they might be enough. The center bolt head can be ground shorter to help fit the plate thickness. Factory type center bolts have a head that is taller with no flats for a wrench, aftermarket center bolts are regular grade 8 bolts usually.

I don't think the JC Whitney leafs are as good a design for preventing windup as the Global West, Detroit Speed or Hotchkis designs. You need the front portion of the leaf thicker than the rear. On a 68 or 69 with staggered shocks, they may be fine, but I'd go the extra mile on a 67 which has non-staggered shocks, especially when you have higher horsepower.
David

Thanks David. You can ignore my last PM. Sent that before i read this.

Quick question..are these the Hotchkis springs your talking about??
http://www.hotchkis.net/p-592-67-69-f-body-68-74-x-body-sport-leaf-springs.aspx

The 67 had a factory upgrade if I remember correctly to correct wheel hop -- thought it was a traction bar for one side of the car. In 67 the shocks are both on the same side of the axle, in 68 and later they staggered them, one in front the other behind the axle.

If you converted the shock mount and upper mount to resemble a 68 or later car I bet the majority of your problem would be gone, but that would require welding in a new upper shock mount (part of the trunk floor). Traction bars should take of most of the issue if changing shock mounting is not practical (it usually isn't). Multi-leaf springs are the other part of the solution IMO.

I had same issue with wheel hop and my mono leafs. I switched to the Hotchkis set up and the problem is gone. I really like the springs so far. Good luck.

Thanks for all the great info guys!! For the two Davids..are the Hotchkis springs i give in the link above the ones you are both talking about??

I am new on here but we have been drag racing camaros for 12 years now believe it or not we use cheap Lakewood traction bars and put a 13/4 spacer between the traction bar and the rear u bolt then tighten up the front u bolt untill the bushing starts to compress this is done with the rearend hanging at full extention good enough for 1.45 60 foot if you want better you can fabricate the pinnion snubber down to 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch above the diff this put us at a 1.37 60 ft on 10 inch slick and air shocks with just enough air to take the slack out of the shock around 10 psi we are only running a 468 so you should really be able to plant the car hope some of this helps

Hi,

I've just ordered a set of multileafs for my 68:

http://www.landrumspring.com/

I've heard nothing but good things about these- build quality is second to none- and price is good. Shipping is a little steep to the UK, but from what I've heard these are the best out there....

Hi,

I've just ordered a set of multileafs for my 68:

http://www.landrumspring.com/

I've heard nothing but good things about these- build quality is second to none- and price is good. Shipping is a little steep to the UK, but from what I've heard these are the best out there....

Some of their circle track springs have too much arch for a street car. I've seen road race cars with them and they had 3" lowering blocks! I think they have 6" arch?

Just verify what your ride height will be with the manufacturer. The 150 lb springs will drop enough, but the higher rate leafs will only drop 3.5" or 4". It will help if you can give them a rear weight. My car has a rear weight of 1600 lbs, but you need to subtract the unsprung weight to get the load. That comes out to 1380 lbs total rear, and half that per spring, = 690lbs load.
David

Hi David,

I went for these: part number 21-560SP...arch is 5.5 which might actually drop the ride height according to the tech guy at Landrum- but my multi's are so tired out it might raise up the back!

I'm planning on rubber (or maybe poly) front bushes...I'm figuring the soild bushings too extreme for a road car.

(spring rate is 250 per spring)

I ran mono leafs for years in my 67, traction bars will stop the wheel hop. I have the JC Whitney 3 leafs in my car and they are nice! and the price was right! They are actually listed under a nova spring. Although I have heard of people waiting forever to get them, I got mine 3 years ago and they were on my door step in 3 days. ZX942669X is the part #.

Sorry to repeat this but i really wanted to get confirmation before ordering that im getting the right thing. These are the Hotchkis springs you guys are referring to correct??
http://www.hotchkis.net/p-592-67-69-f-body-68-74-x-body-sport-leaf-springs.aspx

Jeff,
According the JC Whitney site those springs would ship out within 4 days. I guess i would call them to make sure after the stories ive heard on here.
Did they take care of the wheel hop on your car? Will those springs bolt right into the shackeles and front spring mounts i have on the car now. The shackles on my car are only 3 years old so i would reuse them if i could.

Yes, and the ride height was not to high or to low. Read this post:http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpost.php?p=959049&postcount=37

Sorry to repeat this but i really wanted to get confirmation before ordering that im getting the right thing. These are the Hotchkis springs you guys are referring to correct??
http://www.hotchkis.net/p-592-67-69-f-body-68-74-x-body-sport-leaf-springs.aspx

Never mind..confirmed these are the correct ones. Found them in summit.

Jeff,
According the JC Whitney site those springs would ship out within 4 days. I guess i would call them to make sure after the stories ive heard on here.
Did they take care of the wheel hop on your car? Will those springs bolt right into the shackeles and front spring mounts i have on the car now. The shackles on my car are only 3 years old so i would reuse them if i could.

Yes, those are the springs. Summit Racing has them cheaper: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HSS%2D2407C&N=700+115&autoview=sku

My Hotchkis rear leaf springs showed up today. Cant wait to get em on. Thanks again for all the help!!

My Hotchkis rear leaf springs showed up today. Cant wait to get em on. Thanks again for all the help!!

Very nice!! :thumbsup:

I think the hotchkis was a better choice than the GW....the GW are pretty stiff.

Cool, Post some pics when your done!

Eaton Detroit springs has everything you need cheap! www.eatonsprings.com