Starting this month, they are no longer allowing Sellers to leave Negative Feedback for people that Welch on their wining bids. :eek:

So.. if you win something and later decide that you want to change your mind, its O.K. now!

For some reason, I dont think thats gonna go over to well with the Sellers :(

So your saying If i win an auction I dont have to pay for it if I decide I dont want it?

I personally like the new policy. Too many sellers out there are selling junk and the buyers are afraid to leave bad feedback because they don't want the seller leaving them bad feedback. Up to this point the feedback hasn't meant much, but with the new system they are implementing it should become more accurate. I would rather see a few people not buy an item they bid on and have a more accurate feedback system.

So how will eBay know the deal was not consumated? Does the buyer have to state they backed out? I bet that there will be a new data point of how many times a buyer backs out.

I actually think Ebay is one of the most screwed up systems around. It is too bad!! There is always someone telling you that you bid on something that you did not. You even wonder how you got the email. When you go to the item it has nothing to do with you.

I have a suggestion for EBAY. Not that they will listen:

First When I bid on something, my job IS JUST TO PAY in a timely manner. Nothing else.
ONCE I PAY MY JOB IS DONE AND THE SELLER MUST LEAVE FEEDBACK. I don't get why this is so complicated or why Ebay does not require that.

Now when I get the item, i get to respond on how quickly the seller mailed, the condition, etc.

What the sellers always do is wait for my feedback. Not very many guys are going to leave bad feedback on a good transaction if you are the buyer. But the sellers usually do NOT leave the feedback until they here what you say, so they can give you a hard time if you give them one.

Obviously there are jerks everywhere, and the whole system really sucks. I try to avoid ebay at all costs. I use to use it a lot.

So.. if you win something and later decide that you want to change your mind, its O.K. now!

:(

Wow.
This is going to be fun! I'm going to bid on every single item and then welch.

What the sellers always do is wait for my feedback. Not very many guys are going to leave bad feedback on a good transaction if you are the buyer. But the sellers usually do NOT leave the feedback until they here what you say, so they can give you a hard time if you give them one..

I ran into this quite a few times. The sellers wait until you give your feedback on them before them give theres on you. I had one email asking when I was going to leave them feedback. I told them I will after they leave me mine. Because I had paid them first and they should leave my feedback first. One other time I bought a set of SS emblems from one and when I got them they were all pitted. I told the seller about it and didnt get a response. So I gave him a negative and he gave me a negative and said I was an inexperienced buyer and went negative over nothing.:( My response was "$200 for pitted emblems maybe nothing to some. "

The sellers wait until you give your feedback on them before they give theirs on you. I had one email asking when I was going to leave them feedback. I told them I will after they leave me mine. Because I had paid them first and they should leave my feedback first.

Yup, same here. I wrote back that I would leave a positive for him, but that I wouldn't since he was holding mine hostage. He never did leave me feedback and neither did I for him.
When I sell an item, I do exactly like Dale8346 said. I leave the buyer feedback on THEIR HALF of the transaction as soon as payment is confirmed.

So.. if you win something and later decide that you want to change your mind, its O.K. now!



..........so stupid....only thing this is going to do is screw me out of alot of money!ive already had 3 people not pay this month.:( all had goo feedback, one was a noob but still had good feed. i dunno....i get so frustrated with ebay sometimes i just want to chew out that lady that came up with the idea.

I have bought several items off ebay in the past because that was the only place I could find them, but in the past year my buying on there has all but come to an end. From the sounds of it they aren't doing the business they once did and they are looking for ways to get people back. I am glad most of my ebay buying is over, you just really never know what you might get off there.

I don't leave feedback, and I don't want feedback left. It's buyer beware, end of story. I am so fed up with e-gag's crap I don't use it that often.

little off the subject but did anybody else's feedback jump up. the other nite i had 247 feedback left and now i have 269??. i dont know where the other 22 feedback came from.

little off the subject but did anybody else's feedback jump up. the other nite i had 247 feedback left and now i have 269??. i dont know where the other 22 feedback came from.



Mine did. from 299 to 320.

little off the subject but did anybody else's feedback jump up. the other nite i had 247 feedback left and now i have 269??. i dont know where the other 22 feedback came from.



Mine also, went from 571 to 592. :confused:

Mines jumped from 467 to 483 :eek:

Its because they now count multiple buyers' transactions,whereas before they only counted 1 transaction per buyer.



FWIW...

As a seller ,I think the new system stinks. I have 100% positive FB,and feel fortunate to have maintained it, but now I do not have the option of leaving a negative for any reason. Buyer does not pay? Oh well, too bad. Costs me auction fees? Oh well..too bad. Its frustrating. Not that I leave many negatives.... I've only left ONE negative out of more than 1200 transactions, and thats because there was a purchase, no pay,and no communication whatsoever.

The buyer can basically blackmail the sellers by threatening poor feedback. One apsect that has not been touched upon here is that Ebay now credits sellers based upon good feedback.

If we receive poor feedback,it actually costs us money now. Its gone too one-sided now. Fair is fair, but even in court, both sides have a say.

In effect, if a buyer wanted, he/she could receive a product, nit pick it to death,and threaten poor feedback if demands are not met. I just feel as though both parties should have recourse,and Ebay's system does not allow for it now.

Only wish there were another really viable online auction right now.

One weakness in this change that is apparent to me is this: some nut job could just go around bidding up on things he doesn't want just to make others pay more. If he ends up being the high bidder then what does he care?

my feedback went down for some reason:confused:then back up to where it was a few days ago and no one new left me feedback....ebay should just leave things be.

My opinion on the feedback thing is the buyer should be satisfied with the part he purchased and leave good feeback first. If they are not satisfied with the purchase, they should contact the seller with thier case, and come to a reasonable agreement before they just trash the seller with bad feedback. Once they are happy with the purchase and leave pos feedback, then it's the sellers responsibility to also leave pos feedback in a timely manner. The main part of the deal is the purchase, the payment is a bit secondary...just my opinion.

My opinion on the feedback thing is the buyer should be satisfied with the part he purchased and leave good feeback first. If they are not satisfied with the purchase, they should contact the seller with thier case, and come to a reasonable agreement before they just trash the seller with bad feedback. Once they are happy with the purchase and leave pos feedback, then it's the sellers responsibility to also leave pos feedback in a timely manner. The main part of the deal is the purchase, the payment is a bit secondary...just my opinion.

I totally agree with you. Thats exactly how we used to do it. The buyer left feedback first, provided he was satisfied. If there was ever an issue of any sort, we'd solve it in a timely manner,get good feedback,and return good feedback to the seller. Feedback to me is not just shipping an item fast. Its taking care of the customer. If something is not to the buyers satisfaction, the seller has the responsibility to make things right. Conversely, if the buyer does not pay, provides the wrong street address for shipping costing the seller double shipping and lots of time,or just decides he does not want the item at the last minute, it should be up to him to reimburse the seller for fees incurred as a result. As it stands now, the buyers bear no responsibility at all,and can leave the seller lousy feedback willy-nilly. As was mentioned,there is now a financial aspect involved for the sellers,so it now costs $ to get slammed with no cause. Not good...and more importantly not fair.

and your really SOL when you sell a car. the fee's are crazy for them. each car i sell costs me well over$100 to sell and if the buyer backs out it comes out of my pocket!

but then again i have to look at how much money ebay brings me also.

Ebay needs to fix a number of things.
1.Fee's
2. deadbeat's buyer and sellers
3. feedback.


this is the 8th year ive been with ebay....and this is the worst its ever been.

Market forces will drive Ebay down, someone will come out with a better option to compete with the E-giant and make it competitive which (hopefully) will correct some of the wrong aspects of it, or, the newcomer will crush Ebay by offering a better product against Ebay's unwillingness to change.

Think Yahoo/MSN vs. Google...

For me Craigslist has been doing a pretty good job of finding me what I need. Ive some recent purchases from Ebay but Im very cautious of what/how I buy.

Chris:cool:

I have over 3000 feedback score, tried to be the best seller I could possibly be, and because of the games, its not much fun anymore. They have shot themselves out of not just a good seller, but a very profitable one for them. Even as a powerseller, if I had a problem, it was a "iron curtain" to get anything straightened out. I still buy a few things, and may still sell a little, but now its easier to bring it to a swap meet or auction. Sad, I miss the fun early days of e-bay.

Sad, I miss the fun early days of e-bay.

I agree. Ebay was simple, PayPal was free. The old phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it" didn't hold true with ebay.

Doug

This window popped up when I went to leave fb for a seller.......

Buyers, you can no longer receive negative or neutral Feedback from sellers.

You should leave honest and accurate Feedback without the fear of receiving negative or neutral ratings.

Don't show me this again

I not sure but the preformance rating system 1 to 5 stars (how accurate of discription, comunication, shipping etc.) that goes along with the feedback may help determine if the seller or buyer/seller follows thru.......the system is stealth and does not reference a perticular auction but does show how the seller and buyers have handled themselves in pass transactions.

For the sellers this sucks and scams and non payment (ebay makes money anyway) are sure to come of it.....I would think that we will see more conditions like you must contact me before placing a bid and private auctions come form this.

FWIW: I have been a member since before the stock went public and I agree that changes are needed and some things should be left alone. It is suppose to be a community maybe some changes should be left up to that community before the big E decides whats best for members........

One of the changes I would vote for would be feedback left by a member who becomes blankman238 is no longer a registared user should be deleted when they delete thier accounts. This would prevent negative feedback flaming and the thinking that I can scam and then just change my user id and do it again and again and again.....


Just food for thought......

8 Ball

Craigslist is owned by ebay. or that is what ive heard....i list things on there for two weeks and if it doesnt sell i list on ebay now.

No. Ebay has been trying to first buy Criags List, then shut them down. They (Ebay) wound up with I think a 25% ownership in Criags List. They started jumba(SP) or some such thing as a competitor, which is now why Criags List has a suit pending.

Ebay HATES Criags List.

Rich

thanks rich....that cleared alot up.:)

There are seller protections against no paying bidders.

"Will sellers still have access to Buyer Requirements to manage their buyers?

Yes. In addition to the current Buyer Requirements, we are enhancing the Unpaid Item buyer requirement and adding new buyer requirements that will enable sellers to block buyers with multiple policy violations from bidding/ or buying their items.

The buyer requirements tool enables sellers to prevent or limit the buyers from bidding or buying their items if certain criteria have not been met. The criteria are:

* Buyer does not have a PayPal account
* Buyer has a recent Unpaid Item strike (new)
* Buyer is registered in a country where seller doesn't ship to
* Buyer has a recent eBay policy violations (new)
* Buyer who may have bid on several of my items and not paid for them
* Buyer who is not ID Verified (new – but not available on all eBay sites)


What criteria will eBay use to identify buyers who violate eBay Policy?

We will rely on the same criteria as today. Reports from sellers based on specific policy violations such as Unpaid Item, transaction interference, Feedback Abuse and Feedback Extortion."

If you want to read more about the policy go here http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html. Overall I think these are good changes.