I don't know if this is the right forum to post this but anyone been watching that show lately? (Chop Cut Rebuild) They have been building a 67 Camaro Dynacorn shell and today the guy was saying that the cars the factory built had large tolerances for body panels becuase it was a massed produced car (true i know). He said they are building the equivalant to a Ferrari and the guy Joe Blow who builds his Camaro in the garage basically is the same as the factory build. I was a bit insulted at this statement. I have seen some awesone garage cars. The superiority just annoyed me because I know how hard guys in their garages work with limited resources and funding.

that show is over a year old. it's all hype: count how many times they say 'dynacorn' during a single episode. it's like a huge commercial (for chassisworks, too). besides, the spaceframe on a ferrari is checked in thousands of places to thousandths of an inch. i bet you that camaro was not!

CCR is on of the few car shows I will actually switch the channel on and would even watch a chick show with the wife instead of sitting thru an episode!

that show is over a year old. it's all hype: count how many times they say 'dynacorn' during a single episode. it's like a huge commercial (for chassisworks, too). besides, the spaceframe on a ferrari is checked in thousands of places to thousandths of an inch. i bet you that camaro was not!

Ditto

On one show he pulls up in a 68 Camaro with 67 SS emblems at the front of the fenders like they did on the 67's ??? Yep..side markers and rectangular parking lights...no wing windows.

Kev

I enjoyed watching them fight the gas tank straps installation - they had rubber insulator strips between the straps and the tank, which were NEVER used in production; no wonder they couldn't get the end of the straps onto the carriage bolts far enough to get the nuts started. :)

I don't know if this is the right forum to post this but anyone been watching that show lately? (Chop Cut Rebuild) They have been building a 67 Camaro Dynacorn shell and today the guy was saying that the cars the factory built had large tolerances for body panels becuase it was a massed produced car (true i know). He said they are building the equivalant to a Ferrari and the guy Joe Blow who builds his Camaro in the garage basically is the same as the factory build. I was a bit insulted at this statement. I have seen some awesone garage cars. The superiority just annoyed me because I know how hard guys in their garages work with limited resources and funding.

I have watched this show since it first started on Speed five years ago. I am a fan because it is far more real than anything of its kind on TV. It is one of the few automotive shows NOT filled with fake tantrums like OCC and Boyd Coddington or bogus restorations like those seven day jobs on Overhaulin' or Pimp My Ride.

Nico, I don't think you were listening very closely to what was stated about Ferrari. The comment was about the tolerances used by Ferrari compared to GM. It wasn't about what an "average Joe" could do. But, rather the effort that the avererage guy would likely put in. Most people would be quite happy with the original gap tolerances GM used back in 1967. I know I would. I happen to agree that most DIY's wouldn't put in the effort of Ferrari standards. That particular project was meant to be better than an assembly line vehicle. Having seen it up close at SEMA, I would say they achieved that goal.

By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.

Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

I could've misunderstood what they said and the context. and sorry about the title. I guess maybe it was more how the guy said it then what he said.. and I really don't have alot of time to sit and analyze the whole show or any show for that matter, so maybe I shouldn't have said anything. It was just something that struck me at the time.

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

it would be impossible for me to lose: there are no 'thousandths of an inch' standards set for any camaro, therefore, it is impossible for them to get it right, even with ferrari's measuring equipment! as much i love these cars, comparing ferrari to any first gen is ridiculous.:yes:

By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.

Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?


he must be one of the producers of the show!!!:p

Originally Posted by Mr.Raditch http://www.camaros.net/forums/olp/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1007406#post1007406)
By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.

Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?


WOW, only two posts. Welcome to the boards what a way to start off.:noway:

he must be one of the producers of the show!!!:p

That was my first reaction as well. I'd imagine he's close to the show (or American Muscle Cars, Inc.) if he's both seen the car in addition to critiquing the general populous' usage of the complete show title.

I have watched this show since it first started on Speed five years ago. I am a fan because it is far more real than anything of its kind on TV. It is one of the few automotive shows NOT filled with fake tantrums like OCC and Boyd Coddington or bogus restorations like those seven day jobs on Overhaulin' or Pimp My Ride.

Nico, I don't think you were listening very closely to what was stated about Ferrari. The comment was about the tolerances used by Ferrari compared to GM. It wasn't about what an "average Joe" could do. But, rather the effort that the avererage guy would likely put in. Most people would be quite happy with the original gap tolerances GM used back in 1967. I know I would. I happen to agree that most DIY's wouldn't put in the effort of Ferrari standards. That particular project was meant to be better than an assembly line vehicle. Having seen it up close at SEMA, I would say they achieved that goal.

By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.
Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.
John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

Something else interesting to note... On the Wikipedia article for Mr. Raditch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Raditch), Dan Woods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Woods) is listed as the man portraying Mr. Raditch in the Degrassi series, including "Degrassi: The Next Generation" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0288937/). This (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940559/) IMDB profile lists him as being credited within the aformentioned series in addition to being a writer on Chop Cut Rebuild. If it's not him, It'd be a serious coincidence considering they're both Canadian actors born in 1959. ;)

The same email address used on this forum was also used to write a mini biography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940559/bio) of Dan on IMDB.

If you're reading this, Hi Dan. :waving:
Joining a forum for the explicit purpose of talking up the show as a random "fan" isn't very becoming.

By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.

Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

I personally do watch that show and think its ok and I will continue to watch it. It does have some good info to help the car enthusiasts but it is a tv show and must be limited to what can be shown.

As far as your jumping in here and lambasting folks on how to say the title and what to do or say about the show...is out of place. Where we all have our opinions , shoving it into the face of posters isn't right. If you are associated with the show, say so and give your side...opinions in general, in a less in your face way. I think this got out of hand right from the get go and maybe your posting can do some good for the show by softening up your posts.

Kev

The superiority just annoyed me because I know how hard guys in their garages work with limited resources and funding.

I could not agree with you more Nico...there is a lot of talent and shear determination out there you just have to look as some of the threads and pictures posted on this forum to see that first hand. Most of these shows are overated...I must admit I do like watching them but I take everything with a grain of salt. They do not show you everything that goes on on those 7 day builds and some of the screw ups that they most likely just say the hell with it and sweep under the rug. I would bet they even make those happy owners who have just been "overhauled" sign a waiver just in case the car falls apart on the highway so they cannot get their pants sued off...

... John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?


Yeah John , what where you thinking? - with such 'precise' factory tolerance measurements as ".06~.18", "0.06~0.120" and "+/- 0.060" that CCR Camaro would have to be much better built than some old one-off Italian 'Horsey car' l:)
I'l bet them TV guys flat nailed those spec.s during their fine rebuild :rolleyes:



Nico, I don't think you were listening very closely to what was stated about Ferrari. The comment was about the tolerances used by Ferrari compared to GM. ...

Someone even comparing their 'shop work' to that of a modern multi-billion dollar automobile manufacturer is completely ludicrous l:)
I'd be willing to bet none of their shop tools or machinery has been documented to IEC/ISO standards of any sort :noway:
Bet they used a 'wicked-good' tape measure though ...


... I happen to agree that most DIY's wouldn't put in the effort of Ferrari standards. ...

Then you are so new to these forums you've never bothered to look at some of the members work then :noway:


... That particular project was meant to be better than an assembly line vehicle...

As are nearly all decent restorations ;)
No one usually goes out of their way to recreate the small assembly-line mistakes and idiosyncrasies of GM's mass-assembly lines during their restoration - they go one better and paint and detail every part and install it with more care than GM would ever care to invest.
"Fit and Finish" are relatively new terms to automotive assemblers - we didn't use them alot when I was banging these things together at GM 'back-in-the-day' ;)



... If it's not him, It'd be a serious coincidence :waving:

Hard to hide behind the 'magic-screen' in this day and age ain't it Danny :D

Go ahead and post away "Nico" - we got your back on the support of your being able to put your thoughts and observations in a thread :beers:

As always - just my humble educated opinions ...

I took the Ferrari comment as hey quit complaining that the reproduction parts I produce do not fit and make my parts look good on this demostration car so I can sell bodies that we will not assemble to as tight of tolerances in the future to Joe Blow. Its too bad that the manufacturer did not do their homework and make their reproduction parts to at least meet GM's loose tolerences. Joe Blow was watching the show and now know even more than they did before on how bad the reproduction parts fit. At least now Joe Blow has gained some ideas on how to tweak parts to fit which I feel is the whole premise of a show like this. I think the shop doing the work did a decent job with what they had to work with on building that car.

I find the show to be informative but do not like the individual interviews with the workers that always sound very rehearsed.

Its too bad that the manufacturer did not do their homework and make their reproduction parts to at least meet GM's loose tolerences.

In defense of Dynacorn, they are dealing with mass produced panels stamped to fit a car that had very loose tolerances and hasn't been in production for 40 years. It would be impossible to create a panel that would fit 100% of the cars on the road. In addition to that, you also have the damage that your car has sustained in the past, the panels will always require a little "tweaking"

I wholeheartedly understand wanting the panel to "just fit", but I feel that will be the exception, rather than the rule.

Hard to hide behind the 'magic-screen' in this day and age ain't it Danny :D

John, your my hero!!!:yes::beers:

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Originally Posted by nico485 http://www.camaros.net/forums/olp/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1006821#post1006821)
I don't know if this is the right forum to post this but anyone been watching that show lately? (Chop Cut Rebuild) They have been building a 67 Camaro Dynacorn shell and today the guy was saying that the cars the factory built had large tolerances for body panels becuase it was a massed produced car (true i know). He said they are building the equivalant to a Ferrari and the guy Joe Blow who builds his Camaro in the garage basically is the same as the factory build. I was a bit insulted at this statement. I have seen some awesone garage cars. The superiority just annoyed me because I know how hard guys in their garages work with limited resources and funding.

I have watched this show since it first started on Speed five years ago. I am a fan because it is far more real than anything of its kind on TV. It is one of the few automotive shows NOT filled with fake tantrums like OCC and Boyd Coddington or bogus restorations like those seven day jobs on Overhaulin'



hmm....2 posts and already dissin' a legend in the custom car world:eek:.


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Originally Posted by Mr.Raditch http://www.camaros.net/forums/olp/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1007406#post1007406)
By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.
Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.
John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

Something else interesting to note... On the Wikipedia article for Mr. Raditch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Raditch), Dan Woods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Woods) is listed as the man portraying Mr. Raditch in the Degrassi series, including "Degrassi: The Next Generation" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0288937/). This (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940559/) IMDB profile lists him as being credited within the aformentioned series in addition to being a writer on Chop Cut Rebuild. If it's not him, It'd be a serious coincidence considering they're both Canadian actors born in 1959. ;)

The same email address used on this forum was also used to write a mini biography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940559/bio) of Dan on IMDB.

If you're reading this, Hi Dan. :waving:
Joining a forum for the explicit purpose of talking up the show as a random "fan" isn't very becoming.



......How's the NOGGIN Network these days Dan/Mr.Raditch? It's as exciting as Hack Slash Regurgitate....I meant Chop Cut Rebuildl:)

Something else interesting to note... On the Wikipedia article for Mr. Raditch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Raditch), Dan Woods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Woods) is listed as the man portraying Mr. Raditch in the Degrassi series, including "Degrassi: The Next Generation" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0288937/). This (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940559/) IMDB profile lists him as being credited within the aformentioned series in addition to being a writer on Chop Cut Rebuild. If it's not him, It'd be a serious coincidence considering they're both Canadian actors born in 1959. ;)

The same email address used on this forum was also used to write a mini biography (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940559/bio) of Dan on IMDB.

If you're reading this, Hi Dan. :waving:
Joining a forum for the explicit purpose of talking up the show as a random "fan" isn't very becoming.


LOL!!

OWNED!!!! :hurray:

"hmm....2 posts and already dissin' a legend in the custom car world."

If that was directed at me and my comments.. I wasn't dissin' a legend or trying to for that matter or even the show. It was something I heard and if I misunderstood.. again I apologize. I was not attacking their craftsmanship or anything like that. When I have time and the show is on I watch it as well. There is no reason to pile up on me. And before anyone else gets on me... no I am not a master tech or anything like that. I just enjoy the forum and working on cars. I didn't think this thread would turn into this. I do appreciate comments by the members who saw it differently and it gave me a different perspective. The comments that were more of a discussion that is, not the sarcastic attacks I experienced. I am not going to continue defending my comments and didn't think I would strike such a nerve.

Anyways here is a link to what I am dealing with now. I have had the car since I was in the USMC and bought it in 1992 and I finally have some resources to work on it and was able to get it out to California. That is why I like this forum. It has great info and I have learned alot.

http://picasaweb.google.com/home

If that was directed at me and my comments..

I think they were directed at someone else. ;)

In defense of Dynacorn, they are dealing with mass produced panels stamped to fit a car that had very loose tolerances and hasn't been in production for 40 years. It would be impossible to create a panel that would fit 100% of the cars on the road. In addition to that, you also have the damage that your car has sustained in the past, the panels will always require a little "tweaking"

I wholeheartedly understand wanting the panel to "just fit", but I feel that will be the exception, rather than the rule.

Rhino I will agree with you on the majority of the parts but not all of them. The purpose of my post is not to offend you or anyone else or even to bash a vendor, as it is to share an experience of mine with one part in particular that is not indicative of all of their parts or service. If you happen to have experience with thier rear frame rails that they market for a 68 camaro, you will find that they are an 1-1/2" to long. I doubt GM had that loose of a tolerance. Many others on this site and even the professional shops like MCC have experienced this same problem. Biggest tolerance I have seen from GM is 1/4" max. I learned from a mentor in college that the tolerance for any item is 1/2 the tolerance of the item that comes behind it. If I was to start with a foundation off an 1-1/2" by the time I got to the finished building it could be 5-6" if everyone took the max on a tolerance. That is why the first items like a frame should have the tightest tolerance. The frame rail is labeled as 68-69 camaro full frame rail and they are correct for the most part for a 69 but do require cutting an 1-1/2" off for a 68 and rewelding the flange on the rear. I will agree that after 40 years parts are not going to fit perfect on everyones car, but my point is they should make the parts to meet the original tolerances. If they are going to market a part for multiple cars and it requires modification to fit one of them then they should advertise that it will fit after modification and explain the difference between the two.

Fyi, Here is Joe Parts reply after being questioned on the frame rails.

"Actually, the rear frame rails are for professional installation only. They are, or were, clearly marked with just that verbage. If the dealer that sold them to you didn't tell you that, then shame on him, because it is specifically labeled that way in their catalogs. They have to be flexed into position and welded with something other than a 110 garage welder to hold also."

Seems to me they do not want Joe Blow working on their cars. To bad Joe Blow is their customer. Sounds like I can't use my 110 volt garage welder to weld the trunk floor to the frame rails either LOL. They must not have seen the rear frame rails on the camaros, because they are not to thick for a 110 volt welder.

I have found that the majority of the people on this site, especially in the Body Shop Forum, will take as much time as it takes to adjust and fit things more than a shop would. Almost all of the people on this site have a very special bond with their cars and want everything to be 100% perfect and will take the time and effort to make things right. There have been a few exceptions but for the most part those people tend to come and go. Unfortunately, there are people working in some shops that see the car as a job and not a labor of love like an owner does. Do not get me wrong there are respectable people and shops out there but I am not willing to risk the chance of getting someone that may just be having a bad day work on my car. Also in the shops defense most of these car owners are not willing to pay the kind of money it would take on the labor to make everything perfect, and I understand that. I tend to be hands on and If I mess something up then it is my fault and I can take responsibilty for it and will take the time to fix it and make it right, because if I know something is wrong it will haunt and disgust me every time I see or even think about the blemish. I have heard of people who say as long as the customer does not see it and say something then it must be acceptable. I do not follow this theory in my life as I try to look at the end users perspective as to what I would want done if I was in their position. I am probably the minority in not being able to overlook a blemish though. Isn't it funny how if you know something is wrong your eyes are drawn to it everytime but if you are not aware of the blemish from the beginning you may never see it?

The reason I come to this site is to gain the knowledge from a very great and knowledgeable group of people and even more fufilling to me is the privilege to pass on my experinces to others in need.

I could have modified the part and made it work and unnoticable but their response irritated me enough that I returned the parts and decided I would find another route to fixing some rust on my frame rails. I voiced my opinion on their part and returned it in the hope that they would fix the problem and others would not have to go through the same experience but they will probably never change the part for a 68 unless many others voice their problems with the part. So I find it my duty to now educate the consumer that the part will need modification to fit and hopefully I can reach these people before they tear their cars all they way down and then can not figure out why the parts do not fit when they try to put it back together. That is why I like to have the new part in hand before I ever remove the original.

"hmm....2 posts and already dissin' a legend in the custom car world."

If that was directed at me and my comments... I wasn't dissin' (anyone) ...

... I am not going to continue defending my comments and didn't think I would strike such a nerve.

Anyways here is a link to what I am dealing with now. I have had the car since I was in the USMC and bought it in 1992 and I finally have some resources to work on it and was able to get it out to California. That is why I like this forum. It has great info and I have learned alot.

http://picasaweb.google.com/home

Nico:
That comment, as well as the other replies from established members are not directed at you in anyway :noway:

We all get that you aren't 'dissin' any of the "legends" of the hot rod world - the 'newbie' was and he was taken to task for it.
Why is it some feel their work is above any others :confused:
I've learned something from every vehicle I've ever seen. I love to talk to the builders about things they've done to to their vehicles, whether I would choose to use it on one of my builds or not, I get to see the work that went into it and how they choose to execute the modification.
Even the oddest projects can have a :cool: factor to them if used in other ways ...
Along those lines were the stripes Chip choose to put on that '67 Camaro on 'OverHaulin' last night - I personnally didn't care for them, thinking (as a purest no doubt ;) ) that a "numbers car" should retain the stock-ish look from the outside to give future viewers a good idea of what GM originally built - but, my son called right after the show was over and asked how I liked them, he thought they were "way- :cool: " (note; this once again dropped his chances of me giving him a Camaro in his near future :D ) - sooooo, there's probably some 'age-difference' coming into play here - or, all my son's sense of taste is still in his mouth when it comes to Camaros ( IMHO )...

As I said before, 'we got your back' when it comes to "defending your comments" - you said nothign wrong and only spoke (typed) you true thought's - no harm in any of that :noway:
I haven't liked everything folks have said about things I've posted before - but I get over it, this site is just to informative and fun to stay away from :p
As far as the fit of the panels from any supplier - it is always a crapshoot, even on newer vehicles I've repaired with 'new' factory panels, and specially hard to keep tolerances on older cars and aftermarket panels - but it can be done with lots of work (and a BFH).
I've had the pleasure to work with lots of original GM panels, they all needed some 'tweaking' no matter what the vehicle or part - that's why they make 'Shims' ...

"Semper Fi" :beers:
Oh, and you link doesn't work (just takes you to the sign-in page v.s. the picture links ...)
Looking froward to seeing your progress on your car and learning right allong with you on the site.

Hopefully we'll all continue to work on our vehicles and learn from each other on here - that's what Al $ Dot had in mind when they started this :hurray:

John M

"hmm....2 posts and already dissin' a legend in the custom car world."

If that was directed at me and my comments.. I wasn't dissin' a legend or trying to for that matter or even the show. It was something I heard and if I misunderstood.. again I apologize. I was not attacking their craftsmanship or anything like that. When I have time and the show is on I watch it as well. There is no reason to pile up on me. And before anyone else gets on me... no I am not a master tech or anything like that. I just enjoy the forum and working on cars. I didn't think this thread would turn into this. I do appreciate comments by the members who saw it differently and it gave me a different perspective. The comments that were more of a discussion that is, not the sarcastic attacks I experienced. I am not going to continue defending my comments and didn't think I would strike such a nerve.

Anyways here is a link to what I am dealing with now. I have had the car since I was in the USMC and bought it in 1992 and I finally have some resources to work on it and was able to get it out to California. That is why I like this forum. It has great info and I have learned alot.

http://picasaweb.google.com/home

Nico,
I used another post that quoted your post. My post was/is directed at "Mr.Raditch" or "Dan Woods" which ever he prefers. You have not done anything wrong:noway:. I'll also step up and defend your comments in regards to this situation:yes:.I am truly sorry if you thought I was attacking your comments:yes:.:beers:

Thanx for clearing it up. I got a bit confused following the post and just wanted to make my self clear.Thanx for the back-up

Rhino I will agree with you on the majority of the parts but not all of them. The purpose of my post is not to offend you or anyone else or even to bash a vendor, as it is to share an experience of mine with one part in particular that is not indicative of all of their parts or service. If you happen to have experience with thier rear frame rails that they market for a 68 camaro, you will find that they are an 1-1/2" to long. I doubt GM had that loose of a tolerance. Many others on this site and even the professional shops like MCC have experienced this same problem.


No offense taken. I also don't think you were vendor bashing, just speaking your mind.
Your explanation makes 100% sense. I haven't had any experience with their frame rails and didn't know of the issue. I completely agree with you in that regard. My experience with their parts has been external sheet metal, where they're at least on par with their competitors.

By the way folks, if you intend to critique a program. It would be nice if you got the title right. It's "Chop Cut Rebuild... with Dan Woods". There is no "and" in the title.

Maybe we should watch a little closer and pay a little more attention before offering opinions - positive or negative. IMHO.


If a guy inadvertently adds an "and" to the show title, are you saying he should not be entitled to his opinion?

Are you planning to correct our spelling and grammar, too?

If a guy inadvertently adds an "and" to the show title, are you saying he should not be entitled to his opinion?

Are you planning to correct our spelling and grammar, too?

I gotta tell you that unless Mr. Radish (did I misspell that?) posts an apology on this forum to all of us I'm done watching his show. I used to like it for what it was because they featured a pretty diverse group of projects. However, the arrogance and obvious disrespect for Team Camaro participants is unexcusable. Any one of us could build a super car with an unlimited budget, and few of us get donations of body panels and parts.

So buzz off Raditch, or Wood or whoever you are, there are plenty of other folks for us to watch and get ideas from!

Guys....

I think the topic and first few posts hit a nerve and Dan was thrown off by it. Based upon him being the writer/producer and front man for the show, he may have felt he personally was being put down. I do not believe any car guys like us would intentionally put down a car show that had intentions to show us what is going on in the rebuild of old machines.

Not every show is going to please everyone who watches. There are always going to be things that irks a car guy but we need to understand the true intent of the program or a single show. We are a mixed group of car lovers who also have our own ideas what is best for our cars however often point out wrongs on other cars.

I think we need to step back a bit, let Dan get back in and just let us know why this topic put him in such a bad way with us here on TC. We must remember that its people like Dan that have kept this hobby going and his program is trying to give ideas and provide sources for new things. Being insulted on a world wide public forum such as this can't feel good being that one is a "Car Guy" himself.

Dan, please come back and post why this topic/thread has hit you so hard and give this forum a chance to see who the real Dan Woods is and what "Chop Cut Rebuild " is all about ! I hope the guys here will understand and give you positive feedback after that.

Kev D

Dan, please come back and post why this topic/thread has hit you so hard and give this forum a chance to see who the real Dan Woods is and what "Chop Cut Rebuild " is all about ! I hope the guys here will understand and give you positive feedback after that.

Kev D

Agreed :thumbsup:

Kevin Ducharme has written to me asking that I return to this thread to add to the discussion. So at his request, I am here to clarify a couple of things. First off, let me say I always appreciate constructive criticism of my work. We all learn more from our mistakes than our victories. But, what I was seeing on this thread was in no way constructive. It was pure ire and taking on a lynching mentality founded solely on incorrect information. I replied to it with a screen name I often use. Many, many people know me as Mr. Raditch. It is not a “secret” or “code”. I’ve played that character since 1986. So, Vinage68 make sure you don’t hurt your arm patting yourself on the back for uncovering information a 10 year old could find on the web in a nanosecond.

So, why did I post? Ever meet someone at a social function and they continually call you Bob? But, your name is Steve? Frustrating isn’t it? When you correct them and they continue to get your name wrong, you eventually disregard that person and don’t think very highly of them. Well… that’s not too far off the situation here. I was perhaps, too curt with my second post and for that, I am sorry.

For what it’s worth, here is what caused my reasons to post. Three posts were put up on this thread in succession based on incorrect information. The first claimed to be “insulted” by something that was never said on the show. The second poster seems to think television shows should not have sponsors and the series is nothing but “hype”. The third claimed the show was so repulsive the poster turns the channel the moment he sees it and would rather watch Oprah (or the like) than be subjected to the content of CCR. REALLY??? Is Chop Cut Rebuild that bad? I would have to say 5 years on the air may imply they are in the minority.

Those three posts were then followed by three others who supported or added their distain of the program. Pointing out incorrect badges, struggles during the installation that implied we were doing it wrong, and more. I could go on in great detail about how those things got into the show. But, rather than explain the subtleties of the program, (like I don’t own the cars I drive up in, or showing problems is why the show is real), I think it is just best to let those individuals continue to sit on their high throne and watch other programs for continuity errors.

It was my intention to correct misinformation. Not to enter into a debate. People are entitled to their opinions and I fully respect that. I did not come here to “talk up the show as a random fan”, but, to correct the errors being made. It is not uncommon for people to take posts out of context. Just read how many people must come back to clarify or correct their statements on just this thread alone.

What people say behind someone’s back is always far worse than they will say to their face. If I had posted here as CCR-Host, the tone would have changed immediately. It was not my intention to continue the debate, or turn this thread into a Q & A with the host. I posted simply to correct the misdirection and misinformation and let the post continue with constructive commentary.

To his credit, Nico acknowledged the quote he was “offended” by was wrong. I very much appreciate his quick reply. It should have ended the discussion. Instead, the thread is now about who “Mr.Raditch” really is… Well, the great mystery is solved. I am the producer, the host, AND Mr. Raditch. None of which is a lie or deceitful. The fact that I am a fan of the show is also true. The fact I have seen the car up close many times and can speak to the superb quality of the build is also true.

For those who disregard or find the Ferrari comments incorrect. Allow me to restate (with some paraphrasing, given I made the statement over two years ago) what I said in the show: The build team was trying to get gap tolerances closer to those of a Ferrari than a 67 GM product… I never stated they would achieve the goal. I stated it was the objective. That comment was reiterated by Dynacorn’s VP and a number of the builders during their interviews… Which by the way, are never rehearsed. The interviews happen at the end of each build day and we ask the participant to recount the day’s events. We ask them what worked well, what didn’t, what they did to resolve the problems they encountered and what the next objectives are… Simple questions for people not accustomed to being in front of cameras.

In short, please continue to post your comments. I do enjoy reading them. I do learn from members here and I appreciate the candor. I’m sorry, if not acknowledging my position as the host of the show offended anyone. I like to just be a “car guy” from time to time and not be recognized as the host of CCR. Doing so, allows me to talk one on one without the stigma of being that television guy too. I hope you all understand and continue with constructive criticisms and comments.

Best regards,
Dan Woods
a.k.a. Mr. Raditch

Guys....


Dan, please come back and post why this topic/thread has hit you so hard and give this forum a chance to see who the real Dan Woods is and what "Chop Cut Rebuild " is all about ! I hope the guys here will understand and give you positive feedback after that.

Kev D

Kevin,

All feedback is positive. Even negative feedback is good feedback... I welcome anything in that vein and I'm happy to contribute here. It's those who choose to insult, who offer us nothing constructive.

My father always told me, "When you point a finger, three are pointed back at yourself!"

Dan...

Thanks for returning and posting more info on what your intentions were. I believe knowing the whole story should make us better understand what you and the show are up against. Sometimes things just start out wrong and go down hill after that. I do hope that you choose to return often and even let us know what may be going on with the show. I know "Car Guys and Gals " all like to be in the know..so you posting could help us all and we in turn may help you and the show.

Regards...

Kev

Dan...

Thanks for returning and posting more info on what your intentions were. I believe knowing the whole story should make us better understand what you and the show are up against. Sometimes things just start out wrong and go down hill after that. I do hope that you choose to return often and even let us know what may be going on with the show. I know "Car Guys and Gals " all like to be in the know..so you posting could help us all and we in turn may help you and the show.

Regards...

Kev

I agree as well....with one exception. Calling the Overhaulin' show "Bogus" :noway:. Overhaulin' is a show that is a little bit more than just rebuilding someone's car, it's about how Mr. Foose helps someone achieve their dream of having a car that people will look at and say things like"that's a beautiful car" or the feeling they get when someone sees their car and gives 'em 2 :thumbsup:.To call that bogus is way out of line.

Dan,
I do appreciate you clearing the air of this mess so we can get back to business as usual :) For that I thank you. Your insight and opinions are just as welcomed as others. The only issue I found was that the veiled third party references were rather confusing. By saying things such as "I've watched the show since the first season" I felt as if you were purposely using a third party voice. Sure, I can understand that you are a fan, since it's essentially your baby, although I would say the wording left much to the imagination. I wouldn't call it deceitful, although I do feel it could have been a little clearer.

I agree that the vast majority of this misunderstanding has been misquotes, which you were able to point out to us. Having also seen the Dynacorn Camaro myself, I can agree that it is of a quality superior to the original. This goal you previously stated is the common theme found running through 99% of the restorations on this page. In that aspect, we're more similar than we are different. :thumbsup:
I hope you do decide to stick around and continue to provide your unique insight. I can't say that I've watched the show from day 1, although I have always looked forward to the next episode.

I agree as well....with one exception. Calling the Overhaulin' show "Bogus" :noway:. Overhaulin' is a show that is a little bit more than just rebuilding someone's car, it's about how Mr. Foose helps someone achieve their dream of having a car that people will look at and say things like"that's a beautiful car" or the feeling they get when someone sees their car and gives 'em 2 :thumbsup:.To call that bogus is way out of line.
Overhaulin is kind of bogus, in that no way those cars are done in 7 days. I talked to a guy at the local car show who's car was done on the show. He said it was in their shop for over a year getting sorted after the "7 day" show build.
Don't get me wrong, I like Overhaulin and Chip Foose is a nice guy. He even brings some of his partially completed project out to the donut shop for people to see what he's working on, but 7 days is not realistic.

Overhaulin is kind of bogus, in that no way those cars are done in 7 days. I talked to a guy at the local car show who's car was done on the show. He said it was in their shop for over a year getting sorted after the "7 day" show build.
Don't get me wrong, I like Overhaulin and Chip Foose is a nice guy. He even brings some of his partially completed project out to the donut shop for people to see what he's working on, but 7 days is not realistic.

Sure it's 7 days, what, you don't think the producers of the show can sit & edit all the footage they collected in 7 days to a completed car? :D

I don't like the show. Lotsa reasons. Sorry. No, I don't watch it. Haven't for a long time now. One of the few car shows I don't TiVo.

Taking constructive criticism for the show Dan? - the music is getting stale after 5 years! Same guitar riff over and over and over again. :rolleyes:

CCR is just a knock off of a REAL car show!! And a very bad knock off at that!

CCR is just a knock off of a REAL car show!! And a very bad knock off at that!
And herein is a perfect example for posting as Mr. Raditch...

Thanks for your insightful comment kgmunro. I'm glad you noticed that. I will speak to our production staff and we'll try to fix it this year. Keep the constructive critiques coming!;)

Taking constructive criticism for the show Dan? - the music is getting stale after 5 years! Same guitar riff over and over and over again. :rolleyes:

We'll be adding to the library of licenced music again this year.

Im sorry Mr Raditch, but you did try and pretend you were just a fan... :sad:

anyone can go back and read the original post.

its a bit ubiquitious and on some very shaky ground if you want to explain away the third person "fan" post you originally posted.

I have watched this show since it first started on Speed five years ago. I am a fan because it is far more real than anything of its kind on TV. It is one of the few automotive shows NOT filled with fake tantrums like OCC and Boyd Coddington or bogus restorations like those seven day jobs on Overhaulin' or Pimp My Ride.

and we got...THIS ONE!

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

theres no best regards Dan Wood on the bottom of those emails...:noway:

Dont worry about explaining yourself to me though, i dont watch TV, but this post and your behavior makes it sure ill never download it on the internet, thats for sure.

I agree as well....with one exception. Calling the Overhaulin' show "Bogus" :noway:. Overhaulin' is a show that is a little bit more than just rebuilding someone's car, it's about how Mr. Foose helps someone achieve their dream of having a car that people will look at and say things like"that's a beautiful car" or the feeling they get when someone sees their car and gives 'em 2 :thumbsup:.To call that bogus is way out of line.

I agree the show is about helping people. Unfortunately, the help is sometimes a hindrance. Look at the math... a decent restoration requires 1,500 to 2,000 hours of labor. There are 168 hours in a week. That means 12 people non-stop on 3 shifts. Curing and drying time also eats away at the work window... I don't know about you but, when I have 5 people around a car it gets crowded. I can't imagine what 12 would be like.

Don't get me wrong, I think Chip is a great guy and a great designer. My issue is the show concept. It is not about proper automotive restoration. Sadly, many people seem to think it is. Same with OCC another show based on the pretence of building, when in fact, its a show about a dysfunctional family. But, it is not perceived as such.

Im sorry Mr Raditch, but you did try and pretend you were just a fan... :sad:

anyone can go back and read the original post.

its a bit ubiquitious and on some very shaky ground if you want to explain away the third person "fan" post you originally posted.

I have watched this show since it first started on Speed five years ago. I am a fan because it is far more real than anything of its kind on TV. It is one of the few automotive shows NOT filled with fake tantrums like OCC and Boyd Coddington or bogus restorations like those seven day jobs on Overhaulin' or Pimp My Ride.

and we got...THIS ONE!

John, I've seen the car up close and in person... How much do you want to lose on your bet?

theres no best regards Dan Wood on the bottom of those emails...:noway:

Dont worry about explaining yourself to me though, i dont watch TV, but this post and your behavior makes it sure ill never download it on the internet, thats for sure.

Maro, being ubiquitous is not the same as being deceitful. People jumping to their own conclusions is their prerogative. Having some anonymity was the objective for reasons I have stated in my previous post. I did not want to enter the thread as the host for many reasons. What’s more, I’m under no obligation to do so. At times my opinions are just that, MY opinions. Not those of Speed or the show.

I don't see your real name on your post either! I suppose you enjoy your privacy too. BTW it’s Woods. Not Wood... Read the second paragraph and you will understand.

I agree the show is about helping people. Unfortunately, the help is sometimes a hindrance. Look at the math... a decent restoration requires 1,500 to 2,000 hours of labor. There are 168 hours in a week. That means 12 people non-stop on 3 shifts. Curing and drying time also eats away at the work window... I don't know about you but, when I have 5 people around a car it gets crowded. I can't imagine what 12 would be like.

Don't get me wrong, I think Chip is a great guy and a great designer. My issue is the show concept. It is not about proper automotive restoration. Sadly, many people seem to think it is. Same with OCC another show based on the pretence of building, when in fact, its a show about a dysfunctional family. But, it is not perceived as such.


.........My issue is the show concept.

Dan, now I understand what you meant about the term "bogus". I also agree with you on the OCC comment.Thanks so much for the clarification :yes:.

Man, the insults and negative comments need to stop. This is Team Camaro, were all car nuts, and were all better than this. Lets all have a :beers: and relax.

Maro, being ubiquitous is not the same as being deceitful. People jumping to their own conclusions is their prerogative. Having some anonymity was the objective for reasons I have stated in my previous post. I did not want to enter the thread as the host for many reasons. What’s more, I’m under no obligation to do so. At times my opinions are just that, MY opinions. Not those of Speed or the show.

I don't see your real name on your post either! I suppose you enjoy your privacy too. BTW it’s Woods. Not Wood... Read the second paragraph and you will understand.

I am not gonna respond to the rest of it but I am sorry I got your name wrong Mr Woods. :D

People spell my last name with a c in it all the time and it fing drives me nuts.

and in the spirit of good of being good natured and knowing abit about what im talking about I will go watch an episode!

but it will be one that features a camaro!

I guess I am in the minority????

I love CCR I watch it when ever I can. I was totally jazzed that they picked a Camaro to build. It has given me inspiration to get off my rear to work on mine many times when I hit a roadblock and loose interest that month. I like that there is not drama like Duane from Boyd's or the antics of the Tuttles from American Chopper. It is focused on the builds and not who got a new tattoo.

If those guys are doing their debriefing type interviews without numerous retakes, then more power to them. I am sure if I was lucky to be on the show I would have been booted soon for my inability to complete a coherent in a reasonable amount of time.

I enjoy the show and look foward to many more.

Man, the insults and negative comments need to stop. This is Team Camaro, were all car nuts, and were all better than this. Lets all have a and relax.

I agree... Let's get back on track so can I go back to being just another car guy like the rest of us here.:) I won't insult anyones work and hopfully, the same courtesy will be extended to me. I'm happy to talk about automotive television too. It's a subject I know a little about and can probably provide some insight to many here.

I agree... Let's get back on track so can I go back to being just another car guy like the rest of us here.:) I won't insult anyones work and hopfully, the same courtesy will be extended to me. I'm happy to talk about automotive television too. It's a subject I know a little about and can probably provide some insight to many here.



Can you tell us about some upcoming episodes of CCR?

Can you tell us about some upcoming episodes of CCR?

Sure. The new season kicks off on July 5th with a one-hour special called "Mustang Mystique". The Series follows on July 12th with the first episode of Season 5.

Our 5th Season takes on two builds over 13 weeks. A 1970 Cuda restoration and a 1953 Chevy Truck built entirely from scratch with all new parts. Very much like our Camaro build two seasons ago.

Hope you enjoy the new shows.

And while were talking to a TV car guy, a lot of you browse our site (incognito) to get educated on Camaros and use the knowledge gained from here on your show. Some acknowledgement of this site would be appreciated! I'm not just talking to you Dan, others login here as well.

And while were talking to a TV car guy, a lot of you browse our site (incognito) to get educated on Camaros and use the knowledge gained from here on your show. Some acknowledgement of this site would be appreciated! I'm not just talking to you Dan, others login here as well.
I'm sure there are many of us TV types who visit this and other sites like it. I don't see any problem with acknowledging it. In fact, I may have done it already. I seem to recall mentioning using sites like this as a resource some time ago. I'm also pretty sure I mentioned www.Bricklin.org (http://www.Bricklin.org) last season. I'll make a point of it either in our new webisode teasers or in the show itself... or maybe both. Speed can be a little touchy about website references. They try to get traffic to their site first. If you notice, our show doesn't mention our own site at www.ccr.tv (http://www.ccr.tv). It's in our contract that we can only reference the Speed site in the closing credits.

Well Dan,

I thought they would lighten up but some just need to start a fire even on a hot night. Most here are true car guys and don't get off putting down everything. Some need to be ignored it seem's and that may not be easy to do. In any event...glad you came back and may stick arround here a while.


Kev

... and a 1953 Chevy Truck built entirely from scratch with all new parts....

I look forward to the Chevy. I've always loved that year of truck.

CCR is just a knock off of a REAL car show!! And a very bad knock off at that!


We just get back to a normal conversation here and you come up with this. Tell us all what Real Car Show you are involved in and write, produce and star in. What part of a vehicle construction you present on TV to help the "Car Guys"



Lighten up !!!

Some people...:mad:

Kev

http://http://picasaweb.google.com/nico.discenza/BackFromMediaBlasting/photo#5177790404610101378I think I am going to have a beer and work on my car at 5 in the morning.

http://picasaweb.google.com/nico.discenza/BackFromMediaBlasting/photo#5177790404610101378

I guess I'll chime in here.... First thank you Mr. Woods for coming back and clearing things up. I watch the show as well as many others when time or my 3 year old allows (I believe Dora the Explorer is on around that time). I find it informative as well as interesting and I like the fact that problems encountered throughout the builds are not edited out (I'm sure some are due to time constraints). I also watch OCC and while I will agree it goes a little overboard at times it is very entertaining and they build some beautiful bikes. I did have a small problem with your referral to them as being a dysfunctional family though. I'd say what we see in their shop is more the norm when you have families working together day in and day out. I know it was the same on our family farm and have seen it elsewhere. When you're with family it's a little easier to vent your frustrations and that shows in OCC. Thanks again for a great show and I'll slowly try to transition my daughter over from cartoons to car shows:thumbsup:.

Thanks Mr. Raditch for mentioning the website address, now I can get the video on the 67 Camaro build. I really enjoyed the episodes on it and my father and I got some good info from it. I must say that your show is one of my favorites, I just wish you could build more cars in a season but I guess there is only so much air time to allow it. The thing that I like the most is no yelling at each other like in some of the other shows. I also appreciate you getting in there and building the cars along with shops and not just narrating the show. I realize that the shops do most of the work but at least you get dirty. I want criticize any car show(especially restoration shows) because there are so few of them to watch. Thanks again for a great program. Brantly

Sure. The new season kicks off on July 5th with a one-hour special called "Mustang Mystique". The Series follows on July 12th with the first episode of Season 5.

Our 5th Season takes on two builds over 13 weeks. A 1970 Cuda restoration and a 1953 Chevy Truck built entirely from scratch with all new parts. Very much like our Camaro build two seasons ago.

Hope you enjoy the new shows.

Wow. A 70 Cuda and a 53 Chevy truck. That should be some interesting episodes. Does the Cuda have/get a hemi?

I guess I'll chime in here.... First thank you Mr. Woods for coming back and clearing things up. I watch the show as well as many others when time or my 3 year old allows (I believe Dora the Explorer is on around that time). I LOVE Dora!!


I find it informative as well as interesting and I like the fact that problems encountered throughout the builds are not edited out (I'm sure some are due to time constraints).
We try to get in as many of the problems as possible... provided they come up with a solution! We have lost some sponsors who don't like that we talk frankly about their products. Some companies won't go on the show unless its all sunshine and roses.

I also watch OCC and while I will agree it goes a little overboard at times it is very entertaining and they build some beautiful bikes. I did have a small problem with your referral to them as being a dysfunctional family though. I'd say what we see in their shop is more the norm when you have families working together day in and day out. I know it was the same on our family farm and have seen it elsewhere. When you're with family it's a little easier to vent your frustrations and that shows in OCC. Thanks again for a great show and I'll slowly try to transition my daughter over from cartoons to car shows:thumbsup:.Let you're daughter enjoy those cartoons as long as possible! It's part of the culture too! For example, when I announced to our crew we would be attending the Pismo Beach car show this month with the truck project, our cameraman shouted, "Pismo Beach? That's Bugs Bunny's favorite beach!" He would have gotten there too, if it wasn't for Daffy Ducks lousy directions.

As for the Dysfunctional family comment, I think we all have some of that in our families. It's just a matter of whether or not we would be willing to put it on television and how it reflects on the quality of our work or business. The type of dysfunction we get from the Tuttles is personality conflict. Conflict is drama. And drama can be good television. Conflict insights us to choose a side. How many times will you hear people say, "I like the father" or I like the long-haired kid". That's because they feel for one more than the other. It's drama 101. But... it's not bike building. The bike building and its deadline are used as the source of their conflict. When they finish the bike, the conflict is gone. So, really the storyline of the show isn't how they build a bike. It's how they get through the conflicts that arise from it. That is the focus. Not the bike. Frankly, I give the Tuttles credit for being able to sustain their conflicts and keep them interesting for the audience for the past four years. There's many shows with the same formula. Some are still on air and some have come and gone over the past 5 years. Monster Garage, Junkyard Wars, Biker Buildoff, American Chopper, Pinks, Unique Whips and even Texas Hardtails all utilize the conflict of dysfunctional personalites as the primary source of their content. None of them have had the sucess or staying power of the Tuttles. The Tuttles weren't the first to do it. But so far, they seem to have mastered it...

Now compare those concepts to something like This Old House, Dirty Jobs, The New Yankee Workshop, or Bob Villa's Home Again. There is no personality clashes at all in those programs. They focus on the process not the drama. And in my humble opinion, those shows have much more staying power with an audience. They may not be as entertaining. But, they are far more informative.

Both formula's obviously work. But as an independant producer, longevity is what I prefer. A series like CCR will never make the splash that American Chopper or Monster Garage does. We won't have bobblehead dolls, diecast cars, or T-shirts selling in Walmart. But, if we do it right... CCR can survive longer than most by being more like "This Old House" than "American Chopper". Plus, I think the Speed audience appreciates automotive "process" more than a network like Discovery or TLC, who will replace an automotive show with a documentary on crab fishing if the ratings drop. Knock on wood!

Thanks Mr. Raditch for mentioning the website address, now I can get the video on the 67 Camaro build. I really enjoyed the episodes on it and my father and I got some good info from it. I must say that your show is one of my favorites, I just wish you could build more cars in a season but I guess there is only so much air time to allow it. The thing that I like the most is no yelling at each other like in some of the other shows. I also appreciate you getting in there and building the cars along with shops and not just narrating the show. I realize that the shops do most of the work but at least you get dirty. I want criticize any car show(especially restoration shows) because there are so few of them to watch. Thanks again for a great program. Brantly

Thanks Brantly. We originally had four projects on the show during the first two seasons. We dropped down to two because the content was difficult to follow. We can only deliver about 5 minutes of content in each segment. With this new format, we get in 10 minutes on each project, rather than 5. It seems to have met with better results.

Getting dirty is half the fun. I would go nuts if I just narrated and produced it.

Wow. A 70 Cuda and a 53 Chevy truck. That should be some interesting episodes. Does the Cuda have/get a hemi?

You bet it does! A through the hood blower too. Built by Ray Barton Racing in PA. 800 plus HP!

Imagine how hated we would be if we put a slant 6 under the hood?!:noway: LOL.

A blown 800 HP hemi!! I gotta mark my calendar so I don't miss this!!!
Thanks.

The family dysfunction is what I like about OCC, reminds me of our family business. We should have a show!

I am just happy all these shows exist. Its a nice break from everything, and a nice break from Dora, veggie tales, and barney.

Dan,
Where do you get the cool rides you drive to all the shop? Are they yours? If so, I'm jealous.

As long as you're speaking with the production staff, one of the things I always found really odd was the choppy video when zooming into a CCR tag before commercial breaks. The video always threw me for a loop and I thought my cable was messing up. For some reason it's something I just never got used to.

As long as you're speaking with the production staff, one of the things I always found really odd was the choppy video when zooming into a CCR tag before commercial breaks. The video always threw me for a loop and I thought my cable was messing up. For some reason it's something I just never got used to.

I'm not sure what you mean by "choppy video". The CCR tag is what is known as a "bumper out". Speed asked for them when we started the series five years ago. I don't think we have to do them anymore because they have computerized their system. But, it has become part of the style of the show, so we've kept it up. The bumper out is a visual signal to the control center operator that we are going into a commercial break. There is also a bumper when we come back from commercial. These bumpers allow the operator to hold or cut at their discretion to time the show. Depending on how long they hold the shot, they can add or lose 30 seconds to the run time of the episode.

Dan,
Where do you get the cool rides you drive to all the shop? Are they yours? If so, I'm jealous.
No need to be jealous... I don't own them. They are usually cars the shop has hanging around. Some are customers, some are owned by the shops. We also invite local owners to supply cars too. Getting the cars for me to drive is the responsibility of the shop. They usually call up their customers and ask them to bring them in.

This year, most of the cars I drive in the Cuda segments are being supplied by Surf City Garage Polishes. Tim Miller is the owner and he has a fabulous collection. Now Tim is a guy we can be jealous of!!!

The family dysfunction is what I like about OCC, reminds me of our family business. We should have a show!

I am just happy all these shows exist. Its a nice break from everything, and a nice break from Dora, veggie tales, and barney.

Oh, I'm sure some family business owners behave like the Tuttles on occasion. Same for when Boyd was doing his show too. But, I can't imagine it is sustained for for long. There has to be periods without that much conflict. I am sure there are at OCC. The constant conflict on that show has to be intentional. Which IMO is belying the documentary style of the shooting. If it's overly staged, it isn’t real. Michael Moore gets grief about that kind of thing all the time. Just because you make something look like a documentary, doesn't mean it is one.

I'm not sure what you mean by "choppy video".
I've noticed it on a series of episodes of whatever season included the Dynacorn Camaro. Now that you mention it, I don't believe I saw it on the last season I saw. I'll have to go back and look at a few episodes again to make sure.
The choppiness that I speak of seemed like every other frame of video was dropped, and it only appeared in that bumper out shot. It also didn't appear to be 100% of the time, only specific episodes. I'm simply under the assumption that it was included in the production because that specific shot on CCR was the only time I ever noticed it happening.

As far as the consistent drama on many shows we're seeing; I feel it's simply the fact that drama sells. People don't necessarily tune in for the shows actual content as they do to see what drama will pop up next. In the same train of thought... I've never seen what part of the world sees in Michael Moore's "documentaries"

Dan,
Do you have any personal vehicles that you are working on when you're not on the set of Chop Cut Rebuild?

Dan,
Do you have any personal vehicles that you are working on when you're not on the set of Chop Cut Rebuild?
I have 3 vehicles I work on. I own the Bricklin featured last season and the '88 Vette from our first special. I also own a new Mini Cooper S, which I'm playing around with right now. Just changing the paint package. I bought the John Cooper Works suspension package and upgraded to 18" wheels. That little car goes like stink!! Plus, I can get to Vegas and back on $50 worth of gas. I wouldn't touch the powertrain though, after what I saw Fireballed Racing go through last year on Street Tuner Challenge... lol.

I have 3 vehicles I work on. I own the Bricklin featured last season and the '88 Vette from our first special. I also own a new Mini Cooper S, which I'm playing around with right now. Just changing the paint package. I bought the John Cooper Works suspension package and upgraded to 18" wheels. That little car goes like stink!! Plus, I can get to Vegas and back on $50 worth of gas. I wouldn't touch the powertrain though, after what I saw Fireballed Racing go through last year on Street Tuner Challenge... lol.

Oh man, I love that Bricklin!!!! The work that went into that car is incredible. I especially like the paint color :yes:.

Dan, thanks for taking the time to visit the site and reply to everyones questions or comments. You have my respect for coming back to the site after being outed, and taking the time from your busy schedule to respond to peoples qustions. I hope no one offended you personally or the show to bad on this forum and have provided something constructive for you. If there is anything we can help you with as just a car guy, or for input or research on the show feel free to ask questions in the forums, and I am sure most of the regulars on here will try to respond to the issues at hand, and not mix the two together.

Kevin … has written to me asking that I return to this thread to add to the discussion. So at his request ...


Glad someone was able to get you to come back and settle things up, this forum is good for such things.


… I replied to it with a screen name I often use. Many, many people know me as Mr. Raditch. It is not a “secret” or “code”. I’ve played that character since 1986. …
... I am the producer, the host, AND Mr. Raditch. ...


Danny, Danny, Danny ...
Rooster Cogburn, Dirty Harry, "007" and Indiana Jones - are all characters that instantly bring the actor 'known' to have played them to mind - sorry, never in a million years would I have had a clue whom Dan Woods was except for this thread ...
But you no doubt remember me as Tom Sawyer in our fifth grade presentation :D
In the words of a fellow thespian - 'get over thyself' ;)


...What people say behind someone’s back is always far worse than they will say to their face. ...


You obviosly are new to this site then :yes:
Many of us meet-up on a fairly regular basis - most will say the same thing to your face they would say in this forum (won't they Van :D )


... So, Vinage68 make sure you don’t hurt your arm patting yourself on the back for uncovering information a 10 year old could find on the web in a nanosecond.


Hmmmm - did you really read the thread carefully ???
Seems you can't get the folks that called you out in the first place straight there Danny-boy - go back and reread it again kid, it wasn't me ...
Oh, and I only wish I had the mad-skills of a 10 year-old when it comes to computers - I'm an old-$hit and only know how to go on-line and upset guys like you, indepth 'searches' for whom someone is just ain't my thing Danny ...
I couldn't give a rats-ars unless I've meet you.


... For those who disregard or find the Ferrari comments incorrect.
... The build team was trying to get gap tolerances closer to those of a Ferrari than a 67 GM product…


As I stated in an earlier reply - So does everyone else that restores or rebuilds one of these cars
There's something to learn from every build - wither you would do it that way youself or not in your work.
But, no one - in any kind of 'shop-work' is gonna come even close to the assembly stands of a limited production/one-off car maker like Ferarri or any other - so why use it as a standard to hold others work up to ???
Most would not even try - once one panel is 'slightly-off' then all other work must be adjusted to allow for that.
There's nothing wrong with any of the above - it's done daily on some of the nicest cars you'll ever see.
Take a look through some of the guys links to their projects and see the quality of their work and how well the cars are assembled, without once referring to any imaginary Ferarri's spec.s.


... I’m sorry, if not acknowledging my position as the host of the show offended anyone.

Best regards,
Dan Woods
a.k.a. Mr. Raditch

"I've watched the show" :p
Guess you've learned by now that it did ...

Oh, and it's 'Vintage' - as in 'old' :yes:

Now that this thread is so many pages, I think now would be the perfect time to ask Mr. Woods to bring the resources of CCR to bear on our longest running topic of discussion... what is that thing in Joe's yard? http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55717&highlight=backyard+treasure

Now that this thread is so many pages, I think now would be the perfect time to ask Mr. Woods to bring the resources of CCR to bear on our longest running topic of discussion... what is that thing in Joe's yard? http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55717&highlight=backyard+treasure

Man.... I was just about to post the same thing but Eric beat me to it!!!

Viintage68,

You have a nice day... Johnny-BOY!

Damn BOYS- drop it :beers:

I like to watch the show from time to time also. Sponsors getting thier stuff in the show is just part of the deal - look at any car show or car magazine
you rarely see anyone doing a junk yard conversion for disc brakes or swapping other factory goodies from model to model unless it is in conjunction with a sponsors new widget. Glad I saved all those old Hot Rod and Car craft Mags.


And yeah that was bogus coming in undercover Mr. Woods but its way :boring: over now.

Lets talk cars- enough bovine excrement at our real jobs- lets enjoy here.

My .02

Matt (Kilgore) if anybody wants to know:D

Damn BOYS- drop it :beers:
...
but its way :boring: over now.
...
Lets talk cars- lets enjoy here.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. 100% agreement. :thumbsup:

Mr. Woods,

I appreciate you, and have great respect for you, that you came back to this thread, have responded to criticism, accusations and what I consider personal attacks, and you have done it without taking "shots" at others. It is much harder to rise above others when their comments are harsh and personally offensive. I believe it says a tremendous amount about your character as a person, not a TV personality, the way you have responded.

As a 52 year old man who has been around cars since I could walk, I appreciate your show, and the many other automotive type shows on television. My son and I watch CCR, Overhaulin', American Chopper, American Hot Rod, Rags to Riches, Two Guys Garage and several others. These shows have allowed him to see a variety of skills needed to do this kind of work, as well as helped us learn from others. Not everything we learn is automotive related, but gives us a common interest with cars & motorcycles as the background. While shows such as yours are entertaining and we enjoy it, a great benefit is seeing how products work and what obstacles are there to overcome. But even more, it allows me to have a real discussion with my 17 year old son about many things, some of them automotive related.

To my fellow TC members, we should be thankful that there are people like Mr. Woods who are willing to produce shows for television that are automotive related. I am old enough to remember when there were no shows like this and any type of "car/racing/automotive" shows were looked down upon as being for a bunch of red neck grease monkey's. It is obvious that most of you have never been involved in any type of producing, be it TV, radio, or whatever. That is not intended as a slam to anyone. If I'm correct, in the 30 minutes that CCR has each week, there are probably only about 12 - 14 minutes to show us everything that has been accomplished since the last episode. We only get the "highlights", but I'm thankful for those! :thumbsup:

Let's encourage those who have helped get car related television on the air. Let's cut this man some slack and let him be just one of us car guys.

Finally, if I had anything negative to say to Mr. Woods is you really do need to get a "real car"! ;) At least the 'Vette is a Chevy. But a Mini Cooper!!!!! :D:D

And in case anyone cares, my screen name is my nickname, my real name is Rev. James A. Brown. Yeah that's right, I'm a Minister!

Have a good day!

Mr. Woods,

I appreciate you, and have great respect for you, that you came back to this thread, have responded to criticism, accusations and what I consider personal attacks, and you have done it without taking "shots" at others. It is much harder to rise above others when their comments are harsh and personally offensive. I believe it says a tremendous amount about your character as a person, not a TV personality, the way you have responded.

As a 52 year old man who has been around cars since I could walk, I appreciate your show, and the many other automotive type shows on television. My son and I watch CCR, Overhaulin', American Chopper, American Hot Rod, Rags to Riches, Two Guys Garage and several others. These shows have allowed him to see a variety of skills needed to do this kind of work, as well as helped us learn from others. Not everything we learn is automotive related, but gives us a common interest with cars & motorcycles as the background. While shows such as yours are entertaining and we enjoy it, a great benefit is seeing how products work and what obstacles are there to overcome. But even more, it allows me to have a real discussion with my 17 year old son about many things, some of them automotive related.

To my fellow TC members, we should be thankful that there are people like Mr. Woods who are willing to produce shows for television that are automotive related. I am old enough to remember when there were no shows like this and any type of "car/racing/automotive" shows were looked down upon as being for a bunch of red neck grease monkey's. It is obvious that most of you have never been involved in any type of producing, be it TV, radio, or whatever. That is not intended as a slam to anyone. If I'm correct, in the 30 minutes that CCR has each week, there are probably only about 12 - 14 minutes to show us everything that has been accomplished since the last episode. We only get the "highlights", but I'm thankful for those! :thumbsup:

Let's encourage those who have helped get car related television on the air. Let's cut this man some slack and let him be just one of us car guys.

Finally, if I had anything negative to say to Mr. Woods is you really do need to get a "real car"! ;) At least the 'Vette is a Chevy. But a Mini Cooper!!!!! :D:D

And in case anyone cares, my screen name is my nickname, my real name is Rev. James A. Brown. Yeah that's right, I'm a Minister!

Have a good day!

Excellent post Mr. Brown!! I completely agree with you.:yes:

Mr. Woods,


Let's encourage those who have helped get car related television on the air. Let's cut this man some slack and let him be just one of us car guys.



I agree Rev...

That is why I sent a few email and IM messages to Dan asking him to come back. We need shows like his and he should be treated better here on TC. I would expect a hassle on other boards but not here on TC. There are some bashers in this thread that I would not have expected the continual insults from and there are some who live for it..

For those with with trying to pick a fight, start an argument or and other out of line remarks...go elsewhere ! We don't need it here !!!

Kev

As far as constructive criticism goes, turn down the background music. Its so annoying its hard for me to watch the show. I totally quit watching the show for that reason. It is a decent show but I CANT STAND THE LOUD MUSIC.
Just my opinion.
Ron

Hi all,

A very busy week of shooting kept me away from the site since last weekend. We're trying to get the Classic Industries '53 truck ready for the Pismo Beach show next weekend. It just came out of the paint booth this week and we've been burning the midnight oil trying to put it back together. It looks great. If anyone here is near the show next week, drop by and say hello. It runs from the 20th to the 22nd. We'll be filming at the show for our final episode too, so maybe you'll get into the show.

BTW, I gave TC a plug in my drive up and in the webisode... Well, actually what I said was; I was asked to give the site a plug, but I wouldn't. :thumbsup:

Mr. Woods,

I appreciate you, and have great respect for you, that you came back to this thread, have responded to criticism, accusations and what I consider personal attacks, and you have done it without taking "shots" at others. It is much harder to rise above others when their comments are harsh and personally offensive. I believe it says a tremendous amount about your character as a person, not a TV personality, the way you have responded...

Let's encourage those who have helped get car related television on the air. Let's cut this man some slack and let him be just one of us car guys...

Have a good day!

Rev. Brown,

I am blushing! Thank you for the very kind words. I'll do my best to not enjoy driving my Mini Cooper S in your honor!;)

As far as constructive criticism goes, turn down the background music. Its so annoying its hard for me to watch the show. I totally quit watching the show for that reason. It is a decent show but I CANT STAND THE LOUD MUSIC.
Just my opinion.
Ron

Ron, I understand the issue very well. We have wrestled with the music mix since first coming to SPEED. Let me give you a little background about the show to explain why the music is presented so dominantly.

When I first created CCR, it was not for the Speed Channel. It was being commissioned for a network in Canada called MenTV. That network was trying to be a sort of cross between Spike and MTV… very youth oriented, very motion oriented. They were looking for lots of quick cuts, driving music, etc. If you saw any of our first seasons episodes with George Barris’ Supervan, you would have seen lots of “dutch” angled shots, jump cuts, and black and white images. All of this was done at random and for no specific reason tied to the content. It was intended to look rough, as if a teenager or college student put it together. That also meant dominant music.

Just before we signed our agreement with MENTV, I ran into some old friends from Speed at the Molson Indy in Toronto. They asked what we were up to (they knew me from my old series Classic Car Restorations which I hosted with Tom Hnatiw and Peter Klutt). We sent them the first episode from CCR and they loved it. They liked the pace, the style, and the music. We made arrangements with MENTV to move the show over to SPEED the next week. At the time, Speed wanted a younger energetic stylized wrenching series because many of their shows were very “magazine” styled and this program would be different from shows like Two Guys Garage, Car Crazy and My Classic Car.

After the first season, we received many comments similar to yours, about the music. Turns out, what Speed wanted wasn’t exactly what their existing audience wanted. I suppose just cause you want a younger audience doesn’t mean they’ll come running just because you have one show targeted to them. After the first season, we began toning down the music so as to not exclude the existing older core audience. Since then however, Speed has added a number of younger targeted programs into the mix with CCR. So, while we have tried to tone down the music, shows like Pinks, Drag Race High, Lowlife and even our own Street Tuner Challenge, have come along to prop up the number of shows skewing toward a younger demo with hard music driving the content. We’ve had many discussions with Speed about the music on CCR over the past 5 seasons. But, the consensus is to keep the music coming. I suppose they are right because the ratings for CCR have increased each year.

That said I hope you give the show another chance. We have dropped the hard jump cuts, the “dutch” angles, and the black and white images thrown in for no reason. I think you will find CCR has matured a little and grown in its “across the board” appeal.

Cheers,
Dan

P.S. Forgive the plug to watch the show. It's not why I came into the forum.

We'll stop by Dan. Unfortunately the Camaro will not be able to make it. I too love the color of the Bricklin. Have the same paint waiting to be applied to the camaro when she's ready!! I haven't seen too many Tangelo Camaros out here on the Central Coast. Keep up the good work and I look forward to meeting you in Pismo.

Robert

I would like to add to this thread with a comment about something I think we all might have forgotten about.

We'll stop by Dan. Unfortunately the Camaro will not be able to make it. I too love the color of the Bricklin. Have the same paint waiting to be applied to the camaro when she's ready!! I haven't seen too many Tangelo Camaros out here on the Central Coast. Keep up the good work and I look forward to meeting you in Pismo.

Robert

I saw a Tangello coloured 1969 Cougar in Temeculla yesterday. Very cool car. It had an "Eliminator" logo on the door. I stuck around for a bit to see if the owner was nearby. But, he/she didn't come out of the Albertson's while I was there.

Hope you make it to Pismo Beach this weekend. Make sure you drop by to say hello... maybe we'll get you on the show.

Hey Dan: Never seen your show, so I picked up a DVD of the Camaro series. Great show!!! And I particularly like the fact that there isn't any family disfunction and drama -if I want that I can always watch Dr. Phil.

My only criticism is that these guys are pro's, right? So why is a guy sandblasting with only a face mask and dust mask? Someone needs to inform him about silicosis. Also, that guy Orlando likes to mix and spray two part epoxy and other paints without a respirator. Hate to see his chest x-ray. And then there's the stereo guy mixing and applying fiberglass without hand protection and upholstery workers spraying glue without respirators. Hope a Cal OSHA inspector hasn't seen your show. They may want to pay a visit to those shops. I know that many times "Joe Blow" does the same thing in his garage, but I'd still recommend a little closer attention to job safety in future shows.

So I have a question for you. If I were to purchase a Dynacorn Camaro, do I get one with Ferrari tolarances like the one in the show? Or would it be closer to GM tolerances?

Thanks, and again its a great show.

Dodge,

Glad you liked the DVD set. Did you play the extras from the menu? Season 4 will be available next week.

If you were to buy the Dynacorn body, you can expect something closer to the original gaps and tolerances. Over 500 hours of bodywork were put into our Camaro. I’m sure if you wanted to put in that much time, yours would look great too. Most people are happy with something in between.

As for the safety standards seen, we shoot what we see in these shops. CCR is a documentary. We’re not a “how-to” show. We tell the guys that OSHA could be watching and they should keep that in mind. But, it’s up to them if they choose to ignore our advice. We are not their employer… the shop is. It’s the shop’s responsibility to enforce the safety standards you noted. Some shops are more conscientious about standards than others. The reality is most workers in these small shops work the way you see them on the show. That said, we try to ensure that I'm wearing proper safety equipment and work in a well ventilated environment.

Okay Dan, I'm satisfied, you stepped up and deserve credit for it. So now that I'm reading this, I would like to know how do you pick the projects you film? Do people submit ideas, or is it acquaintances you have from being on the scene? Many times I have wondered how these projects get picked. Any insight you can share?

Hey Dan, it was nice meeting you on Sunday at the Pismo car show. The 53 Chevy turned out sooo nice. The guys at the booth were very helpful and great to talk with. I'm looking forward to July 12th so I can start recording the next season. I'm especially interested in the motor build. Like I said, that's exactly the motor(383) I want to install in my 68. Sounded great!! Keep up the good work. All the little details that went into it were great. Gave me some ideas for the Camaro!! What was the name of the gentleman from Classic that you introduced me to? Nice guy.

Robert

Okay Dan, I'm satisfied, you stepped up and deserve credit for it. So now that I'm reading this, I would like to know how do you pick the projects you film? Do people submit ideas, or is it acquaintances you have from being on the scene? Many times I have wondered how these projects get picked. Any insight you can share?
We actually pick shops over projects. Each season, we try to find new teams to profile. We have only gone back to the same shop once. That was American Muscle Cars in San Bernadino. We did a second season with them because Classic Industries was insistent on using them, even though we had shot there for the Dynacorn build.

We try to keep our ears open for shops with good credentials. If the shop is as good as they say they are, they usually have projects/customers waiting to have work done. The shop submits a list of projects in waiting and we select from those offered. We also try to have a GM product in the mix each season because of the volume GM sold during the 60's and 70's. If you look at the stat's, GM was head and shoulders over other manufacturers: Impala's, Nova's, Camaro's, Vette's, trucks, wagon's. The sales numbers were astonishing. The 65 Impala still holds the record for single unit sales at over a million sold just in the US. This means the percentage of our audience who can say: "My Dad had one of those..." is more probable than if we selected a less popular make.

Next season, we're giving some thought to a mid '70's "shaggin wagon". Eight-track, CB Radio, teardrop port-hole window and album art on the side. It would mean returning to one of the shops we worked with in the past. But, the project seems interesting enough. What do you guys think of it?

Hey Dan, it was nice meeting you on Sunday at the Pismo car show. The 53 Chevy turned out sooo nice. The guys at the booth were very helpful and great to talk with. I'm looking forward to July 12th so I can start recording the next season. I'm especially interested in the motor build. Like I said, that's exactly the motor(383) I want to install in my 68. Sounded great!! Keep up the good work. All the little details that went into it were great. Gave me some ideas for the Camaro!! What was the name of the gentleman from Classic that you introduced me to? Nice guy.

Robert

Rob,
Glad you made it to the show. It was good to meet you and your lovely escort!

Yeah, the truck turned out very nice. The guys at Classic are very proud of the work they did. There are a few flaws but, they're minor and will be cleaned up before SEMA. The motor does sound sweet, eh? The headers from Doug's and the Magnaflow exhaust give it a very nice tone.

I think the gentleman you're refering to is Mark Vogt. He is the general manager at Classic. Nice guy.

Hope you enjoyed the show. It was great being there and meeting everyone who came by to say hello...

To everyone here... watch for Rob's cameo appearance in episode 13 this year!

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Next season, we're giving some thought to a mid '70's "shaggin wagon". Eight-track, CB Radio, teardrop port-hole window and album art on the side. It would mean returning to one of the shops we worked with in the past. But, the project seems interesting enough. What do you guys think of it?[/quote]


I like the van idea Dan!!! Reminds me of "Super Van"............

http://www.guildclassiccars.com/super_van.htm

If you do the "shaggin wagon", outfit it with an air ride suspension,shag carpet and call it "Shagged & Bagged". :D

I like the van idea Dan!!! Reminds me of "Super Van"............

http://www.guildclassiccars.com/super_van.htm

If you do the "shaggin wagon", outfit it with an air ride suspension,shag carpet and call it "Shagged & Bagged". :D

Are you offering up that name with no strings attached??? I like it.

BTW, the single most expensive component we put into Supervan was shag carpeting! You can't find that stuff any longer. The Guild had to get it special ordered and it almost didn't get to us on time.

So, let's hear some other thoughts on the van idea. What about album art on the sides? How does the Bat Out Of Hell cover sound? Or maybe, Tubular Bells? Let me know!

I like Tubular Bells, it hasn't been overdone. Are you going to put something under the hood to smoke the meats? Would love to see a Love Machine burn them up! Might even be cool to replicate one of those Ed Roth drawings we used to see in the late 60's/early 70's

So, let's hear some other thoughts on the van idea. What about album art on the sides?

Hi Dan,
Here are a few pictures of my 1977 Ford "Chilly Willy" van. Photos are from 1980 when we were in Canada. You can see side pipes, port hole window,the ice looking shag rug, the ice berg stripe around the van and of course Chilly Willy! Oh and the bar I built. My wife at that time of 7 years and I had a great time. Yep..that was prior to the kids :) Maybe ideas from my old van....

Kev
http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7004&stc=1&d=1214515509

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7005&stc=1&d=1214515564

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7006&stc=1&d=1214515601

Mr Raditch I like the show, out of all of them I enjoy CCR best. we get reruns on speed M-F I've seen them but always check back.
Wayne

Rob,
Glad you made it to the show. It was good to meet you and your lovely escort!

Yeah, the truck turned out very nice. The guys at Classic are very proud of the work they did. There are a few flaws but, they're minor and will be cleaned up before SEMA. The motor does sound sweet, eh? The headers from Doug's and the Magnaflow exhaust give it a very nice tone.

I think the gentleman you're refering to is Mark Vogt. He is the general manager at Classic. Nice guy.

Hope you enjoyed the show. It was great being there and meeting everyone who came by to say hello...

To everyone here... watch for Rob's cameo appearance in episode 13 this year!

Hey Dan, I just wanted to set the record straight for everyone reading these posts... the lovely escort Dan was referring to is my wife!!
No call girls were needed!! And yes, she is lovely. Thanks guys... and now for the comments!


Robert

Hey Dan: I just found this thread and I thought I would chime in. I have watched you since the early days when you first started Dream Car Garage. Being from the Hamilton Area and dealing with a lot of the people in the area that were on the show made it closer to home for me. I don't know what happened that caused you know who to take over. Now if that is not an infomercial for his buisiness I don't know what is.
As a 40 year Camaro owner and enthusiast I was really happy when you brought out the show on the Dynacorn Camaro. I have seen so many "rebody" Camaros that were originally 6 cylinder plain jane cars turned into Z/28s because it would have taken just too many patch panels to fix the Z. Why not get a shell to work with. You remember National Camaro in Burlington going south every year and bringing back rust free shells.
There are a lot of really nice cars driving around the area today that were rebodied.
I have no problem with the format of your new show CCR and to tell the truth someone has to do something to appeal to the younger hot rodders out there or there will be no old car hobby left.
I bet a lot of the guys who are complaining about you driving up in cars
"you don't own" would give their eye teeth to have their ride on the show!
Some one commented on the lack of WHIMS safety standards being kept on the shows but I have seen this countless times on the other car rebuilding shows as well, so yours is not alone in this.
I think what shows like yours bring to light is that the time to rebuild an old car and the problems you run into can be mind boggling. It also shows that the aftermarket is really trying hard to address the issues that we restorers and hot rodders have when bringing these cars back to life.
I recently bought a set of rear frame rails and trunk parts and had the whole back end of my Camaro rebuilt to exacting standards. (+-1/8). Not Ferrari standards but closer than GM. The rails were not available a few years ago, and all of the sheet metal was readily available.
So I just thought I would say keep up the good work. OH and the music, maybe some disco, or fifties rock would more suit the guys here. LOL

I think it is great that the TC site is getting recognition from outside the 1st gen community and attention from guys like Dan. Additionally I like the fact that the Pismo Beach Classic may get national exposure. Welcome to Team Camaro. I am a fan of the show.

Are you offering up that name with no strings attached??? I like it.

BTW, the single most expensive component we put into Supervan was shag carpeting! You can't find that stuff any longer. The Guild had to get it special ordered and it almost didn't get to us on time.

So, let's hear some other thoughts on the van idea. What about album art on the sides? How does the Bat Out Of Hell cover sound? Or maybe, Tubular Bells? Let me know!

Dan,
By all means feel free to use "Shagged and Bagged" if you like. I'm thinking "Bat Out Of Hell" for the artwork on the van :yes:

Sure. The new season kicks off on July 5th with a one-hour special called "Mustang Mystique". The Series follows on July 12th with the first episode of Season 5.

Our 5th Season takes on two builds over 13 weeks. A 1970 Cuda restoration and a 1953 Chevy Truck built entirely from scratch with all new parts. Very much like our Camaro build two seasons ago.

Hope you enjoy the new shows.


I missed the July 5th show, but just watched the episode where the Chevy truck and the Cuda were presented. Classic's idea of building a replica truck through catalog parts is definitely a big undertaking. I'll be interested in seeing the rest of the episodes.
From the preview for the next episode it looks like you are finding what's wrong with a lot of these old Mopars, rust because of thin metal. Now I know all cars rust, but it seems Mopars are more prone to it. The shop that is doing the body work and paint on my Camaro has a Cuda there now. They replaced a bunch of metal on my Camaro, but it appears they will go even further on the Cuda.

Mr. Woods, I'm jealous of the shop Classic put together for the truck build. :D. I wonder just how much they spent and how long it took to do all they did, just to get ready to work! At least they did it to work on a Chevy!!!:hurray:

Thanks again for the show. BTW, what episode is it that you mention this website?

Hey Dan: I just found this thread and I thought I would chime in. I have watched you since the early days when you first started Dream Car Garage. Being from the Hamilton Area and dealing with a lot of the people in the area that were on the show made it closer to home for me. I don't know what happened that caused you know who to take over. Now if that is not an infomercial for his buisiness I don't know what is.
As a 40 year Camaro owner and enthusiast I was really happy when you brought out the show on the Dynacorn Camaro. I have seen so many "rebody" Camaros that were originally 6 cylinder plain jane cars turned into Z/28s because it would have taken just too many patch panels to fix the Z. Why not get a shell to work with. You remember National Camaro in Burlington going south every year and bringing back rust free shells.
There are a lot of really nice cars driving around the area today that were rebodied.
I have no problem with the format of your new show CCR and to tell the truth someone has to do something to appeal to the younger hot rodders out there or there will be no old car hobby left.
I bet a lot of the guys who are complaining about you driving up in cars
"you don't own" would give their eye teeth to have their ride on the show!
Some one commented on the lack of WHIMS safety standards being kept on the shows but I have seen this countless times on the other car rebuilding shows as well, so yours is not alone in this.
I think what shows like yours bring to light is that the time to rebuild an old car and the problems you run into can be mind boggling. It also shows that the aftermarket is really trying hard to address the issues that we restorers and hot rodders have when bringing these cars back to life.
I recently bought a set of rear frame rails and trunk parts and had the whole back end of my Camaro rebuilt to exacting standards. (+-1/8). Not Ferrari standards but closer than GM. The rails were not available a few years ago, and all of the sheet metal was readily available.
So I just thought I would say keep up the good work. OH and the music, maybe some disco, or fifties rock would more suit the guys here. LOL
Hey Stewie,
Good to hear from someone back home. Yes, I remember National Camaro very well. They were a big help to us when we were making our original Speedvision show "Classic Car Restorations" (CCR I)). We restored a '69 Firebird convertible in the second season and they came over and put hours into the build - off camera - for free! I heard the owner passed away a few years ago. He was pretty young, so it was sad news.

As for Dream Car Garage, I actually had nothing to do with that series. Tom and Peter were my co-hosts for the second season of Classic Car. DCG was created by my old partner after we went our separate ways. He hired Peter and Tom to host the show. Peter insisted the series feature his shop and cars (smart move on Peter's part). After the first season, my old partner needed to solve some financial problems, so Peter bought the show from him.

I suppose the Mapleview Mall Wednesday night cruise is still going strong. It's a great event. They usually drew over 500 cars every week. I miss going to it.

Thanks for writing... Keep yer stick on the ice!

I missed the July 5th show, but just watched the episode where the Chevy truck and the Cuda were presented. Classic's idea of building a replica truck through catalog parts is definitely a big undertaking. I'll be interested in seeing the rest of the episodes.
From the preview for the next episode it looks like you are finding what's wrong with a lot of these old Mopars, rust because of thin metal. Now I know all cars rust, but it seems Mopars are more prone to it. The shop that is doing the body work and paint on my Camaro has a Cuda there now. They replaced a bunch of metal on my Camaro, but it appears they will go even further on the Cuda.

Mr. Woods, I'm jealous of the shop Classic put together for the truck build. :D. I wonder just how much they spent and how long it took to do all they did, just to get ready to work! At least they did it to work on a Chevy!!!:hurray:

Thanks again for the show. BTW, what episode is it that you mention this website?

I've always believed that Mopar had the best designers. They just didn't have the best engineer's (although, the slant 6 was a great workhorse). Engineering was GM's strength. Mopar's always seemed to have drainage problems and would rot around the wheel wells and in the trunks.

The "Garage-mahal" at Classic was put together in about three weeks, supplied mostly with donated sponsor products. BendPak / Ranger, Ingersol Rand, Gearwrench, and Autotwriler really stepped up to outfit the place nicely. Classic picked up the tab on anything that was missing. They even picked up some leftovers from Overhaulin' to fill things out... Thanks Chip!

I think the best part of the truck segments this season will be knowing these guys aren't pro's. The truck will be assembled by friends, employees, and some supplier contributions with labor. So, it will prove two things: One, you can build it from the catalogue and two; you don't have to be a pro to do it. Hope you'll all find it entertaining. BTW, we did install a used hood. But, the hood is now available in new metal. We were just a little quick to jump.

I think you have done a superb job of picking projects for this season. Also the one hour special was great! I'm hoping you will do more of those, and am glad you did the full hour. Sometimes the half hour shows leave me wanting more, any chance you might post additional footage or outtakes on your website?

I think you have done a superb job of picking projects for this season. Also the one hour special was great! I'm hoping you will do more of those, and am glad you did the full hour. Sometimes the half hour shows leave me wanting more, any chance you might post additional footage or outtakes on your website?

The one-hour special is a once a year thing. It takes over six months to put it together - same as a season of the show. So, it's a little time consuming. The economics of it are not as good as the series. Six months for one episode vs. six months for 13 episodes.

As for additional footage, yes we have it. We've posted them on the web. This season we're making "behind the scenes" teasers. You can find them on the Speed site or by searching MSN Video. They're a lot of fun and we get to do things we don't do in the series. Three have been 3 released so far. Take a look for them and let me know what you think.

Dan,

I believe I missed the start of the new season of CCR and it featured a Dynacorn Replacement Mustang Body Shell project. If my statement is correct......how in relation is the manufactured shell of the mustang compaired to the camaro shell. From what I did see the mustang looked to be of better quality. I know that TV magic can make things look better then what they really are. Just curious.

Joe

If I could change anything on the show it would be more instructional and more of a learning experience . I would eliminate the driving to and from suppliers by Dan from the show. Dream Car Garage was more about how you could do the same thing at home. CCR has less drama than other shows but I would like to see no drama at all.

Dan I will watch your show before Oprah.

As for additional footage, yes we have it. We've posted them on the web. This season we're making "behind the scenes" teasers. You can find them on the Speed site or by searching MSN Video. They're a lot of fun and we get to do things we don't do in the series. Three have been 3 released so far. Take a look for them and let me know what you think.

That's what I'm talking about! :hurray: Patience Please was my favorite. Funny! Especially the trike. Originally I started watching the show because of the detail you showed in the builds, this season you are working with some of the folks I buy from, and having them do the work really brings it home. Thanks for the insight, and behind the scenes. It brings a new level of fun to the show.

Dan,

I believe I missed the start of the new season of CCR and it featured a Dynacorn Replacement Mustang Body Shell project. If my statement is correct......how in relation is the manufactured shell of the mustang compaired to the camaro shell. From what I did see the mustang looked to be of better quality. I know that TV magic can make things look better then what they really are. Just curious.

Joe

I don't know if I'm the right guy to give a qualified comparison. They both required work out of the box. I believe they use the same thickness of metal. So, that isn't an issue. The Mustang shell is very new. So, it may have a few more bugs to work out that we haven't seen yet. Then again, they may have got it right the first time. Dynacorn's plant learned a lot from the Camaro experience.

Now the buzz is Goodmark is considering a Cuda shell. They have most of the parts already in production.

If I could change anything on the show it would be more instructional and more of a learning experience . I would eliminate the driving to and from suppliers by Dan from the show. Dream Car Garage was more about how you could do the same thing at home. CCR has less drama than other shows but I would like to see no drama at all.

Dan I will watch your show before Oprah.

I think Dream Car's perspective on what you can do at home is because Peter's house is on the property! LOL

I'm sure there is a segment of the audience who would enjoy more instructional content. But, heck we're car guys. We read the Chilton Manual for fun... I hope Oprah survives the ratings challenge!

That's what I'm talking about! :hurray: Patience Please was my favorite. Funny! Especially the trike. Originally I started watching the show because of the detail you showed in the builds, this season you are working with some of the folks I buy from, and having them do the work really brings it home. Thanks for the insight, and behind the scenes. It brings a new level of fun to the show.

Now if you call Classic Industries with a complaint, the guy on the phone just says "Yeah, I know. It happened to me too.":hurray: There's no substitute for experienc.

It looks like Dan and the rest of Team Camaro have made up!


All this turmoil reminds me why I have always used my real name on the net. It keeps you honest and careful of what you say.

I wouldn't say the entire team had a problem with me. Just a few members. But yes, I think even those members and I have come to understand each other. It's all good.

Dan,
Are you still comtemplating the "Shaggin' Wagon" build? If so,what model van do you think you'll use?

CCR is on of the few car shows I will actually switch the channel on and would even watch a chick show with the wife instead of sitting thru an episode!

Have not perused this thread in a while, so had to pop in and see how it survived to this many pages.

Take no personal offense, it's just every time I caught it on tv they were working on the Brik, no matter when I caught part of an episode it was the same car. Granted that may be more fault of the channel, my timing, etc... but I just gave up.

Then there is the fact that there are now how many car shows pretty much doing the same thing more or less?

So if I ever get privy to a non brik episode I may check it out and see if I was quick to judge.

Have not perused this thread in a while, so had to pop in and see how it survived to this many pages.

Take no personal offense, it's just every time I caught it on tv they were working on the Brik, no matter when I caught part of an episode it was the same car. Granted that may be more fault of the channel, my timing, etc... but I just gave up.

Then there is the fact that there are now how many car shows pretty much doing the same thing more or less?

So if I ever get privy to a non brik episode I may check it out and see if I was quick to judge.

Jeff,

I think you missed the whole idea of the show. CCR is about the process. Not the builders. The cars are restored over the entire season. Not in one episode. That's the format of shows like Overhaulin', American Hot Rod, etc. So yes, you will see the Bricklin over and over. But, you will see a different stage of the restoration every time. We document the process over 13 episodes. One episode may be interior, the next is the braking system, then paint prep, etc... There's over 1500 hours in a decent restoration. Showing that much work in a one hour format doesn't do the process any justice, in our opinion.

Hope that clears some things up. Let the episode play a little before you determine if you have seen it already... if you have, I understand jumping over to Oprah. Personally, I prefer Springer - he rocks! "Jerry, Jerry"!:disco:

Dan,
Are you still comtemplating the "Shaggin' Wagon" build? If so,what model van do you think you'll use?

There's 3 possibilities. The classic Ram Van, a Chevy, or the Ford stub nose vans. I remember all three had the same general treatment: bed in the back; porthole windows on the sides; sunvisors removed and replaced with a console containing an 8 track and CB Radio. Shag EVERYWHERE! Of course we will need to recreate the "Gas, Grass, or Ass" sticker for the passenger window.

We may also consider the classic VW micro with a hippie flower power theme.

There's 3 possibilities. The classic Ram Van, a Chevy, or the Ford stub nose vans. I remember all three had the same general treatment: bed in the back; porthole windows on the sides; sunvisors removed and replaced with a console containing an 8 track and CB Radio. Shag EVERYWHERE! Of course we will need to recreate the "Gas, Grass, or Ass" sticker for the passenger window.

We may also consider the classic VW micro with a hippie flower power theme.


Awesome Dan!!! If it's not too late in the planning/production stages of the van build a.k.a Project:"Shagged and Bagged", I think it would be cool to involve the viewers of CCR in the form of poll(via the internet or text message format) on which vehicle they would like to see recreated.My first choice,oddly enough,would be the VW Micro Bus,then the Chevy followed by the Dodge Ram.

Hey Dan yes Mapleview is still going and I remember both the cars you did on your shows. The other was a red Mustang if I remember correctly. The firebird turned out really nice.
There are several really big cruise nights in the area and Mapleview is one of the largest.
The only problem now is that there is a large construction project going on and they have moved the cruise to a smaller lot at the back.
I am glad you cleared up that bit about dream car garage. I always thought it was the same show. Good lluck on your new show, and yes I will keep my stick on the Ice.
Our hockey season for us Old timers starts the week after labour day.

Hey gang... the new CCR site is up. Of course come right back here once you've seen it! (Blatant plug - Sorry) Let me know what you think of it.

Hey gang... the new CCR site is up. Of course come right back here once you've seen it! (Blatant plug - Sorry) Let me know what you think of it.

Hey Dan,
:thumbsup::thumbsup::yes:.

Hey gang... the new CCR site is up. Of course come right back here once you've seen it! (Blatant plug - Sorry) Let me know what you think of it.

The early '50's are some of my favorite trucks. I'm really looking forward to this season. :thumbsup:
I could do without the Cuda, but you have to take the good with the bad. :p

Hey gang... the new CCR site is up. Of course come right back here once you've seen it! (Blatant plug - Sorry) Let me know what you think of it.

Nice! I like the look of the site, I would love to see you add the CCR video clips that are on the Speed Channel to behind the scenes it would compliment the great pics already there. and the "Shop, Cut, Rebuild" pun is good, I'd like to buy one of those shirts you wear, are they available? Very cool weekend wear.

I was watching the latest episode this morning. They are finishing the woodwork on the back of the pickup. The guy from Classic industries is explaining that he re-used all of the scraps they generated from the bed. He says "I hate to waste good wood" Dan replies "Thats what she said" Yup coffee through the nose I was laughing so hard. A Classic come-back. Very funny thanks Dan.