Any and all info is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4173.jpg

ST69 - 1969
12437 - Coupe
NOR140737 - Norwood, body number 140737
729 - Ivory Houndstooth
72 - Hugger Orange
E - Parchment vinyl top
10C - 10-October, C - 3rd week of month

. . .but no "X" code and the original engine is long gone! Now what?

The car is badged SS with the RS package, I think?

Options/features:
Front spoiler
Disk brakes
Hideaway headlights
Headlight washers
Rear defrost
Air conditioning
Speedo/clock/tach dash
Console with guages
TH400
Rear spoiler
Multi leaf rear springs
12 bolt rear

The car is badged 396 and is believed to be an original Big Block car with A/C.

Engine:
Casting number - 3969854
1969-72 396/402 2/4 240, 265, 300, 325, 330, 350, 375, Camaro, Chevelle, Chevy II

Suffix code - CE160138
CODE CE was used from 1968 to current year. It represents any CID and is used to indicate a Warranty Engine.

Tag is original.....

Decode for body number: 140737

10C = Built the Third week of October.
69-12437 = Coupe.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
729 = Custom Ivory Houndstooth Bucket Seats.
72-E = Lower Color is Hugger Orange and the Vinyl Top Color is Parchment.

Dan

Have you had the rear seat back out yet? If it hasn't been repainted, you may find a partial X code chalked on the sheetmetal brace behind the seat back.

Thanks Dan,
I was editing it as you responded to help out as much as possible.

The SS part of the car is the biggest mystery.

Was it possible to get the RS package without the RS emblems?

Well, the TH400 wasn't offered with a small block, so that isn't OE.

RS would have had RS badging. On an SS/RS, the SS badges overrode the RS.

Factory RS has a punched (not drilled/cut) 1" or so diameter hole to the driver side of the brake booster, near the fuse box, for the vacuum lines to the headlight switch. Tailpan holes for reverse lamps are also stamped and not cut.

SS had the domed SS hood and the hinge springs have 28 coils instead of the standard 26.

How many fuel lines? If it has 2 and they look original, the car had a Q-Jet and was at least an LM1 and possibly an L48 (SS350).

The car is badged 396 as as far back as I can find out is an original BB car with factory air. That puts the TH400 as correct, right?

Well, the TH400 wasn't offered with a small block, so that isn't OE.

I must have missed something, when was the car being a big block car ruled out? Is the TH400 original to the car with the partIAL VIN stamp?

Here are some pics.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/69-1.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/69-2.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/69-4.jpg

I must have missed something, when was the car being a big block car ruled out? Is the TH400 original to the car with the partIAL VIN stamp?

That's what I'm saying !! Lets check and see if the trans is original . How many fuel lines ?

I see an A/C Dash and Vent. Does this car have Factory A/C ? or even the evaporator section from the Factory ?

You answered this in an earlier post but if its Factory A/C i was under the impression that No Factory A/C on a Big Block

I see an A/C Dash and Vent. Does this car have Factory A/C ? or even the evaporator section from the Factory ?

You answered this in an earlier post but if its Factory A/C i was under the impression that No Factory A/C on a Big Block

Good pick up .. so that eliminates the fuel line question assuming the air dash is original. Still could be a 396 325 or 350HP car.

By the way , welcome to the forum Justin. Car looks very nice

I see an A/C Dash and Vent. Does this car have Factory A/C ? or even the evaporator section from the Factory ?

You answered this in an earlier post but if its Factory A/C i was under the impression that No Factory A/C on a Big Block

As with the engine, I believe the car to be a factory air car.

I do not understand the no factory air on a big block statement. I thought that was available.

IIRC there are 2 fuel lines, a supply and a return. I will confirm this tonight.

Thanks to all. I have been told so many different things by locals and guys on the street about this car that I don't know what to believe. The possible original owner or most knowledgeable person to this car cannot be located.

Keep the info pouring in.

AC available on any 69 Camaro except solid lifter cars, i.e. L78, L89, and Z28.
Can you post a picture of the evaporator core suitcase under the hood?
What is the date and code from the 12 bolt?

Was it possible to get the RS package without the RS emblems?

Only when ordered with the SS package.

I will get any pics/numbers that are requested to help you guys.

Is there a list of all items the SS and RS packages should include that I can verify each as installed or not?

On a side note this car currently has a factory GM aluminum intake maniflod #3963569, which I understand are fairly desireable.
3963569 1970-71 396/402 375 L-78/L-89
454 LS-6, lowrise

http://www.camaros.org/diffs69.shtml has a lot of info.

Got an underhood shot? AC routing is unique on a BB.

Trans and axle codes? http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml

I must have missed something, when was the car being a big block car ruled out? Is the TH400 original to the car with the partIAL VIN stamp?

I missed the casting number part, and I'm not sure the original post said it had 396 badges. That's what I get for reading too fast and trying to multi-task. I don't know how I am ever going to go back to work...they'll have to shut off my internet. :) :)

I updated the initial post to give as much info as possible.

I will get some pics and numbers tonight for further investigation on this topic.

Man that car is loaded.. RS/SS BB, A/C, rear defog, console, gages, center clock, 4 speaker stereo, Frt bumper guards, Vinyl top, deluxe interior. You mentioned it has headlight washers, if the solenoid is on the wiper motor and the reverse lights are in stamped holes that would be enough for me to say the RS is real. Most "cloners" don't put the headlight washers or the solenoid.

Jeff

There are 28 coils on the hinge springs.

There are 2 fuel lines.

The left and right exaust manifolds are correct 3909879 and 3916178.

The rear axle checks out:
3:07, 12 bolt, Posi, 10/15/69
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4198.jpg

The transmission seems to be legit.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4223.jpg

Here is a shot of the hole where the vacuum lines penetrate the firewall.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4229.jpg

Headlight washers.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4239.jpg

A/C suitcase.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4238.jpg

thats a big block heater a/c box :) vac hoses thru firewall are correct as are squirters.

How can you tell the A/C box as a big block?

Does the number on the Harrison tag have any value?

Here is small block a/c setup, the big POA valve on small block is on fender side of the suitcase, your POA valve is on the engine side of the suitcase, hence BB heater box/suitcase. You can see the difference in my pic here of small block setup...
http://www.carsbyjim.com/storage/UnderHood/69heaterValve.jpg

you could also check the rear panel to confirm there was black paint there as all the SS BB cars got the blacked out rear panel (exception being COPO cars and the Z10/Z11 cars)

from everything you have presented it is fairly clear that this was born with a big block, so that makes it an SS and the RS equipment appears to be original as well, nice car

Axle is original and correct ratio for a SS/auto.

Trans has been replaced. As mentioned, AC routing is for a BB.

Kurt,
Can you elaborate on the transmission replacement? Tag seems to me a mid year build.

Any other pictures needed?

can you take a picture underneith the engine?

pics of the underside of the subframe!

and underside of the main from crossmember......

also pics of the bottom side if the front frame rails near the bumper brackets....

Yup, looks mid-year.
http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#TransmissionNumbers
So it should be CC. No idea what application is for CT.

Jeez, that car is beautiful!! Wanna trade for my clunker?!;)

Great Car...

everything looks to be pointing to original BB SS 'loaded'... wow

Thanks to everyone for their input.

I would like to know your thoughts on the value of this car for insurance purposes.

Here are some more pics for wagonman.
It is dirty, hopefully original, and it's a driver. I drove it to work today.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4260.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4262.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4263.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4265.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4266.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee110/puppyjp/Camaro/IMG_4270.jpg

you have an original big block A/C car!!!!

no doubt in my mind!!!!!!

Cool I'd insure it for ~$50K IMO

Why won't anyone throw some numbers out there to help me?

The $50K number Gary gave you is probably pretty good. The market is a little unstable right now, and although we have pretty well decided it is a real car with a CE motor, the value is going to be a little less than a car with a born with engine.

Who is your insurance carrier, and have you tried floating them some values to base an AGREED value policy on? From a reputable collector car insurer like Hagerty, I doubt that the premium is much different between $50K, $55K, $60K. It is certainly going to be more cost than a $20K policy, but as long as you use someone who knows collector cars, they will help pin down the value. They wouldn't overinsure it (they aren't going to cover a plain jane for $100K).

Thanks for all the responses.

Any further input is appreciated.