Hey guys need some help here.i just purchased a 69 camaro from an older gent. and he said that the car was a real copo car. the vin is 124379n650030 the tag read as followed


nor 302060
711
05e
6161
xll



the car has bb mounts,bb heater box,manual steering,is a rs car didnt think copos were rs,12 bolt has hole in firewall from muncie,5 ply rear springs and some kind of cans in the trunk on both sides mounted on the outer wheel houses.i know pics would help but i cant seem to figure how to load them.. any help would be appr.thanks again...

cans in the trunk mean its a convertible, you didnt mention that.
The folks that know the copo information will see this Im sure and comment.

The vin number is for a coupe.

there not cocktail shakers..i have a pace cars myself and know what they are theese mount to the outer wheel house and have lines from them.. thanks again

Those cans are the liquid tire chain traction enhancer, V75.
Any car could be an RS.

Yes, I'm pretty sure the car was a COPO.
What's the axle code?

Those cans are the liquid tire chain traction enhancer, V75.
Very rare and very cool! My white book shows 188 cars so equipped, being that your's might be a COPO all the better.

Jeff

Would be great to see some pics if you've got any.

yep if its a coupe then the cans are liquid tire chain, very neat.

Guess we need to fill in one of the blanks then

Not to many Burnished Brown COPOs ordered

650xxx4-Speed

650xxxTed Brooks ChevyDaytona Yellow4 Speed

650xxxM22

650xxx

650xxxCentral Chev OldsRallye GreenTurbo 400

650xxxRallye GreenM22

KURT I JUST CHECKED THE AXEL CODE TODAY ITS BT..355??? AMY I CORRECT???IS THERE SOMEWAY TO FIND OUT IF ITS 100% POSITIVE COPO??? I PULLED THE REAR SEATS AND NO BUILD SHEET,IM GONNA DROP THE TANK OVER THE WEEKEND AND SEE WHAT I FIND THERE...THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HELP GUYS... sorry this was all caps...

Are you sure it is BT? Could the T really be an E?
What is the casting date on the axle?
Assembly date on the Axle?
Are there any spring tags on the front springs?

You're new here, but I don't say something like that unless I'm pretty sure I'm right.

James asked some good questions: what's the complete axle code?

ok guys i checked and double check the codes on the rear and this is what i came up with bt 0425g2 if any you guys can make anything out on that and underthe bt the is a letter e there buy itself..... this car has a SCRA sticker in the windshield from canton ohio if any one knows anything about that place...

BT is a 3.55 posi. Dated a little too early for the car, IMO.

Where did you buy the car?

Pa... It Has Been In Storage Since 78

Photos of the fuel line... front and back.
Photos of the firewall... speedo cable hole and over by the bulkhead connector for the wireharness.
Photo of the bottom of the trans cross member
Do you have the radiator? If so photos of it and the rad tag...

I would assume it has disc brakes?
What is the date code on the distribution block below the master cylinder? (EXAMPLE 8-276 = 8=Year - 276= day of the year)
Does the Mater cylinder have a stamping on the half moon machined pad on the front? If so what is it?
IMHO The car is worth the research... you may find some paper with a previous owner or better...

James I Can Seem To Load The Pics..could I Poss Send Them To You And You Up Load Them??? That Would Be A Big Help.... Thanks Again..

Just Check The Valve On The Fame And Its 108-9 Its Has A 309 Master And Has Us On The 1/2 Moon But No Other Numbers...

That is all correct and dated right...
another positive in the quest...

email them to me and I will load them and post them...

Here are the photos....

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Cowl_Tag.bmp

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Cowl_Ind_Piercing.bmp


http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Heater_Box.bmp

http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/medium/Clutch_Linkage.bmp

If you go slow and use a tooth brush and some strong cleaner like 409 you may be able to see some markings... if that doean't work go to ENAMEL REDUCER and try it... alot of times people used bug bomb enamel and it will come right off with the enamel reducer but the original laquer will be left intact...

Cool find! I love Burnished Brown. My BB COPO was vin 664890 bdy#357843...was also an X11, 4 speed. Sold at Roger Dean in Charleston WVa

I am going to say that the car is in all likelyhood a COPO. The chances are a helluvalot better than not...

Thanks James Again For All The Help On Getting The Pics On Here And Thanks To All The Members For There Pm About The Car.i Have Had Almost Everyone Telling Me That This Is A True Copo And Everyone That Has Looked At It Said It Was... Now What Should I Do Next ??? Is There Someway To Record It??? I Have 3 Pace Cars That I Would Like To Do The Same With.anyone Have A Suggestions???

Call Jerry MacNeish, he verifies cars... if you have 3 it owuld be well worth it, plus if there are any more guys that want to have their cars looked at close to you, you all can defray some of the traveling fees for him... http://www.z28camaro.com/consvcs.html

Congrats. Neat to see another burnished brown. My scuncio car is
#649841
BDY 302149
711 61 E
05E X11D80
Looks like they could have been ordered and built on the same days.

Chris

Neat ,Neat Neat ,& I thought I had a great find.

Another clue is the Z-Bar. 9" long = small block. 9.5" long = big block

Spend the money to get it looked at by Jerry.
Also go to Yenko.net and PM 427King (Chuck). He has several MN blocks/motors, and just might have yours. (long shot, but maybe) At the very least, you can get a real MN from him, even if it is not your original block. You won't steal anything from him, but you can count on him to be fair.

yep just checked z-bar is 9" long...thanks again guys..i just located a pair of full gm 1/4s that a guy has for sale.i will get ahold of jerry in the next few days he is somewhat close to me...

z bar is 9.5 not 9

And now it's time for a stupid question:

What is a Z bar?

connects the clutch push bar to the pedal and has a bracket that mounts to the side of the frame

And it's ½" longer because the big blocks are offset a bit more to the passenger side than the small blocks?

Congrats. Neat to see another burnished brown. My scuncio car is
#649841
BDY 302149
711 61 E
05E X11D80
Looks like they could have been ordered and built on the same days.

Chris

The production date on Chris's car is 05/29/69 and it was invoiced on 06/02/69 per NICB. Do you know who the selling dealer is? There was a COPO sold from Scuncio with the liquid tire chain option also,here is a link to Chris's car. Ed

http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=3484.0


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