I was hoping you all could give me opinions on what headers to use on my BB. I have been told to use the Hooker Super comps and others told me for the street I wont notice the difference between the Competition and Super Competition. I did a search but didnt get a straight forward answer. I asked Hooker they said 2" Super Comps. Summit says 2" Hooker Competition. There is a big difference in price. I know the Super Comps are tuned but will my mild BB take advantage of them and are they worth over double the price? My car will be a street car but I would want to see it take a run or two down the track. What do you guys think? Are there other brands of tuned headers that are cheaper than the Hooker Super comps and will clear the power steering box ? Yes I have the correct frame mounts and motor mounts...at least I asked Ricks for the correct setup.

..heres my set up thats going in the car this weekend, and as always thanks for your help.


468 BBC balanced
Around 10: 1 compression (forged piston/head combo)
Ported/polished GM 049 oval port heads 2.19/1.88 ss valves 3 angle valve job titanium retainers Comp Cams springs
Comp Cams XE274H cam Duration At 0.050 230 236
Lift 0.552 0.555
Lobe sep 110
Crane Gold Roller rockers
Port matched Edelbrock Performer RPM air gap intake
Holley 750 DP with 1”spacer
Tremec TKO600
12 bolt posi 3.73 gears

For the street and ease of install, I'd use the Comp's.
Street driving doesn't care about tuned primary length nor of pipe length.

Install drvr header first, then engine. You'll appreciate it.

+1, use the comp 2".

[quote=TraxUnderground;1041305] There is a big difference in price. I know the Super Comps are tuned but will my mild BB take advantage of them and are they worth over double the price? My car will be a street car but I would want to see it take a run or two down the track. What do you guys think? Are there other brands of tuned headers that are cheaper than the Hooker Super comps and will clear the power steering box ?




YO Gary............ Order the Hooker COMPS, their just what you need :thumbsup: They are made of heavier gauge steel than the super comps, fit much better than the super comps, plugs are much easier to reach than the super comps, wires fit better, bolts are easier, ect..........

I have done back to back testing on my 700+ hp bracket car and the 2" COMPS out performed the 2-1/8" super comps everywhere on the track. Best 60', best 1/8 mile #s, best 1/4 mile #s and MPH :thumbsup:

And the best part is........ Their way cheaper :beers:


JMO of course...........



bob

[quote=TraxUnderground;1041305] There is a big difference in price. I know the Super Comps are tuned but will my mild BB take advantage of them and are they worth over double the price? My car will be a street car but I would want to see it take a run or two down the track. What do you guys think? Are there other brands of tuned headers that are cheaper than the Hooker Super comps and will clear the power steering box ?




YO Gary............ Order the Hooker COMPS, their just what you need :thumbsup: They are made of heavier gauge steel than the super comps, fit much better than the super comps, plugs are much easier to reach than the super comps, wires fit better, bolts are easier, ect..........

I have done back to back testing on my 700+ hp bracket car and the 2" COMPS out performed the 2-1/8" super comps everywhere on the track. Best 60', best 1/8 mile #s, best 1/4 mile #s and MPH :thumbsup:

And the best part is........ Their way cheaper :beers:


JMO of course...........



bob

Hey Bob! Nice to hear from ya again. Thanks for the info...thank you all. I knew someone had been there and done that before and would be able to shed the light. I just ordered them from Summit !

This site rocks!

I'll bet Ed would recommend something smaller...

I hate my Super Comps! See my web site, photo #229 for a list of my complaints. (too long for this web site!)

Sounds like it will be a great runner in there. Go with the the comps, they should flow everything you'll need and provide a tiny bit more back pressure that you'll appreciate on the street. I am actually running the super comps on mine (has not breathed yet!) and I do see many of the "fit" issues that have been described on this thread. But from my past experience with "bolt-on" headers, I know this is always the case once the primaries are big enough to be hard to fit in the hole.

Either of your choices is a great set of headers and are made of high quality material that you'll appreciate as time goes on, nothing sucks more that having to change a set of "brittle" headers that are falling apart at all of the welds.

Good luck with your machine there!
-Adam

Sounds like it will be a great runner in there. Go with the the comps, they should flow everything you'll need and provide a tiny bit more back pressure that you'll appreciate on the street. I am actually running the super comps on mine (has not breathed yet!) and I do see many of the "fit" issues that have been described on this thread. But from my past experience with "bolt-on" headers, I know this is always the case once the primaries are big enough to be hard to fit in the hole.

Either of your choices is a great set of headers and are made of high quality material that you'll appreciate as time goes on, nothing sucks more that having to change a set of "brittle" headers that are falling apart at all of the welds.

Good luck with your machine there!
-Adam


Thanks Adam !

Sounds like it will be a great runner in there. Go with the the comps, they should flow everything you'll need and provide a tiny bit more back pressure that you'll appreciate on the street.

Backpressure? We don't need any backpressure. We need scavenging.

Sounds like it will be a great runner in there. Go with the the comps, they should flow everything you'll need and provide a tiny bit more back pressure that you'll appreciate on the street. I am actually running the super comps on mine (has not breathed yet!) and I do see many of the "fit" issues that have been described on this thread. But from my past experience with "bolt-on" headers, I know this is always the case once the primaries are big enough to be hard to fit in the hole.

Either of your choices is a great set of headers and are made of high quality material that you'll appreciate as time goes on, nothing sucks more that having to change a set of "brittle" headers that are falling apart at all of the welds.

Good luck with your machine there!
-Adam



Adam...I just sent you a PM...

Backpressure? We don't need any backpressure. We need scavenging.
Yessir, when running at 4500+ RPM, I'll take the scavenging, but I've seen too many streeters move a good chunk of fun, stoplight pounding horsepower into an "un-streetable" rpm range by opening up too much.

You don't need any backpressure at any rpm. It serves no purpose at all except to increase pumping losses with no gain in any other area. If you use a turbo to develop backpressure, that's a positive.

Yeah, for a street car the Comps are better, much more ground clearance for another thing.

You don't need any backpressure at any rpm. It serves no purpose at all except to increase pumping losses with no gain in any other area. If you use a turbo to develop backpressure, that's a positive.

For the second time in a single day you've caused me to re-evaluate a position I have taken for face value for many years, for that I say thanks.

Turns out that a previously held "truth" actually seems to be based on design flaw built into many older non-dynamically adjusted fuel delivery systems. They essentially counted on the "back pressure" to ensure proper air/fuel mixture by utilizing the back pressure to essentially load the air with fuel twice. Open up the exhaust and the thing burns lean and loses torque, but not because it lost the back pressure, because it lost its method for getting the proper stoichiometric mixture of air and fuel, commonly regarded to be a 14.7:1 mixture oxygen to gasoline.

Now to try and reconcile my past experiences that support this line of thinking into something that works with a different line of thought. I very recently had an 63 Olds Cutlass with a 455 that ran .4 faster in a 1/4 with the stock exhaust manifolds (never revved over 5000) than it did once I swapped to a fully open dual 2.5" system with headers. Exhaust gas analysis does not indicate it is lean at all....... hrm.... these are probably the sorts of anecdotal evidence that end up persisting myths.

Very cool to get beat down, if it makes you think!

-Adam

Thanks for the advice guys. I just installed my Jet Hot coated Hooker Competition headers. They sure look puuurrty. Even better is the fit. I can get to all plugs easily and it looks like my wire boots will clear better. They dont hang low and sit up nice and tight. Glad I took everyones advice. The 20% Team Camaro discount I recieved from Jet Hot Coatings made it a no brainer...thanks

Thanks for the advice guys. I just installed my Jet Hot Hooker Competition headers. They sure look puuurrty. Even better is the fit. I can get to all plugs easily and it looks like my wire boots will clear better. They dont hang low and sit up nice and tight. Glad I took everyones advice. The 20% Team Camaro discount I recieved from Jet Hot Coatings made it a no brainer...thanks


Nice........:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Below are pics of the COMPS on my 69 COPO "recreation" !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only clearance issue was grinding one bolt head on power steering box !!!!!!!!!!!



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On a similar build, I went with the Hooker Comps as well, I figured what I had read about the ease of fitment, increased ground clearance made for a good argument and my pocketbook agreed at about half the price!

I can tell you this thou, the ceramic coating makes a huge difference! I broke my engine in on a stand with some beater headers and you couldn't stand next to the motor it was so hot you would get burns from the air temp. Changed out to my coated headers and you can stand right next to the motor and all you feel is moderately warm air. That has to make a huge difference in underhood temps.

I can tell you this thou, the ceramic coating makes a huge difference! I broke my engine in on a stand with some beater headers and you couldn't stand next to the motor it was so hot you would get burns from the air temp. Changed out to my coated headers and you can stand right next to the motor and all you feel is moderately warm air. That has to make a huge difference in underhood temps.

Yeah thats a big plus. The Jet hot headers are supposed to have a 300 or 350 degree (cant remember) lower surface temp.

Below are pics of the COMPS on my 69 COPO "recreation" !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet !

The 20% Team Camaro discount I recieved from Jet Hot Coatings made it a no brainer...thanks

Tell me more about the discount. Did you buy the headers and the coating from the same people or did you get the headers first and have them coated after?

Just adding to the comparison.I have used the supercomps on camaros and chevelles and they are a total pain in the butt.My buddy has them on his 68 chevelle and he cusses them everytime he does anything from starter to sparkplug wires.I would love to see a back to back comparison on the supercomps against comps.Same size tubing.I personally would never buy a new set of supercomps again.Either hedmans or hooker comps for me

Tell me more about the discount. Did you buy the headers and the coating from the same people or did you get the headers first and have them coated after?

Hey Mark..I bought the complete set from Jet-Hot. I have the sales persons info but not with me at this time. If interested let me know and I'll get it for you.

Hey Mark..I bought the complete set from Jet-Hot. I have the sales persons info but not with me at this time. If interested let me know and I'll get it for you.

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