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I sent this guy a message telling him that maybe he should know what he is talking about before advertising a car that is bringing in good money, and here's what he had to say.

"I try to be honest about all of my cars. You must know more than anyone else. All the car guys that come in here must be wrong. I have asked all the Camaro guys and I trust their views. You are the ONLY one that has express your infor. I have the Camaro Black Book and many others and done can prove one way or the other. Why don't you prove it to me, send me the infor that proves that you are right. It was sold to us as a true RS/SS. I am not being rude either but I trust the guys I know. Charlie"


- southernclassiccarsnc

Is it possible that I am wrong, and that this car is an SS?

I suppose its possible its an SS but if it is that isnt the original rear end. Youre right.

How about the SS staggered shocks? Who is this guy kidding? I know it could have been an SS. Any 68 could have been since the tag proves nothing, but his points are way off, and the car is selling for alot.

Front disc brakes with (what appears to be) a drum brake master cylinder? No shot of the rear end and no shot of the TT (for at least interior and exterior color and type).

Nice looking car but too many incorrect items for what he wants for it, at least in today's market.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140261838025&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

I sent this guy a message telling him that maybe he should know what he is talking about before advertising a car that is bringing in good money, and here's what he had to say.

"I try to be honest about all of my cars. You must know more than anyone else. All the car guys that come in here must be wrong. I have asked all the Camaro guys and I trust their views. You are the ONLY one that has express your infor. I have the Camaro Black Book and many others and done can prove one way or the other. Why don't you prove it to me, send me the infor that proves that you are right. It was sold to us as a true RS/SS. I am not being rude either but I trust the guys I know. Charlie"


- southernclassiccarsnc

Is it possible that I am wrong, and that this car is an SS?

http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#MajorOptions look here

I find it hard to believe they would put a 10 bolt (8.2" at that time) behind a BB/4spd.

"It has the correct 3 leaf rear springs found on a SS. The shocks are staggered and that is also found on the SS cars." :clonk: :wacko:

Seller is misinformed at best.

I glanced at that ad before you posted it and thought he was just selling as an RS with a big block, not an RS/SS BB. It doesn't even have correct SS badging.

Did you see the tire size descriptions?
"Front 335/8"/15" rims and back 375/8"/15"rims"
I think that tells alot about what he knows about Camaro's.

High bid of 26,400 was probably all the money for this car

So its an RS with a Big Block and 4 speed. Its a good color with white custom interior. Tough to argue that its not a nice looking car. Worth mid 20s if its solid....IMO.

You guys are all correct, but he wrote me back like he actually had Camaro experts telling him that his car was a true SS Big Block car. He could have at least acknowleged that maybe he didn't know, and that he was possibly "mis-informed". Some people don't want to hear the truth because it affects sales price.

Hey, I thought SS's had a 5-leaf rear (and Z/28's had 4) ??? He's saying this has the "correct" three-leaf rear!? I sent him an email, citing the errors, and also the book references where I back up my statements. That thing definitely doesn't have the right rear in it, as there were no 3-leafers (as well as the 10 bolt rear in his).

From his description:
We know for sure this car is a true RS and appears to be a RS/SS

He is certainly playing it up like an RS/SS but by his own admission he really has no idea.

Some SS 350 (as in CI not HP) powerglide cars had 10 bolts, but not many.

Rich

Wrong center caps on the rims those are 67 caps.
No big deal but still wrong.
67for/me

Some SS 350 (as in CI not HP) powerglide cars had 10 bolts, but not many.

That only applies to 1969. For 1967-1968, ALL SS Camaros were 12 bolt.

Ed

That only applies to 1969. For 1967-1968, ALL SS Camaros were 12 bolt.

Ed

Was that for the entire year or a production quickfix for a component shortage?

alan

Not sure Alan. Here's the info from the CRG:


GM documentation indicates that the LM1 and L48 with M35 or M38 (350/4-barrels with automatic transmissions) were to receive a 10-bolt rear axle with multi-leaf springs. However, the physical evidence shows LM1/M35, LM1/M38, and L48/M38 vehicles actually received 12-bolt axles. Physical evidence on L48/M35 cars (SS-350 with PowerGlide transmission) is still limited, but indicates that at least the later builds received 10-bolt, multi-leaf axles; axle use for early 69 L48/M35 vehicles remains unclear. CRG continues to research this issue.


That statement is kind of old and I'm not sure if any additional information has been found, but Kurt would be the guy to ask. I'll have him take a look at this thread and comment.

Ed

That only applies to 1969. For 1967-1968, ALL SS Camaros were 12 bolt.

Ed

Oooops. Right. I was thinking about 69's.

Rich

Not sure Alan. Here's the info from the CRG:
That statement is kind of old and I'm not sure if any additional information has been found, but Kurt would be the guy to ask. I'll have him take a look at this thread and comment.
Ed

FWIW, I have come across many LM1's, and have never seen one with a 10bolt, but the LM1 was an early prod car. What is the earliest 10 Bolt SS doc'd?

Rich

Yes, that statement is still valid. The 10 vs 12 bolt is also discussed in the LM1 article.

The L48/M35 combo is pretty rare. Earliest one with data (10 bolt) is in Jan. I've seen one earlier car, but never got drivetrain data on it. :(

All the LM1's with 10 bolts have autos in them, both powerglides and TH350's. Could be the axle ratio that caused them to get 10 bolts, but we don't have enough data to make that call.