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: Skip the align honing?


gurneyhm
Apr 29th, 03, 06:36 PM
OK, thanks in advance for any thoughts. I'm building a 383, and I've been doing some reading. I am considering skiping the align honing process. Let me know your thoughts. This is what I read in one of David Vizards book...

"An operation that your machine shop may suggest is align honing the main bearings. My comment here is "forget it". Its an expense that returns little if anything in the majority of cases. Align honing subsequently can be done in the unlikely event the crank does not turn freely during assembly. A lot of engine builders will argue the point that friction must be reduced to a minimum.

My sentiments exactly, but align honing probably won't do this. Here is the logic behind this statement. a small block Chevy making 700HP can twist from corner to corner as much as 1/16 of an inch. Therefore, under running conditions, the bearings aren't in line. Even if we were to have them exactly in line its unlikely that the engine would make significantly more horsepower. Why? Because the crank is riding in a bed of oil. The crankshaft is bending. Its able to absorb this bending. No matter how much force there may be, the potential loss in torque that occurs is due to the force times the radius at which the friction is acting. If the coefficient of friction is zero, then, no matter how large the bending forces involved, there would be zero torque loss because any number multiplied by zero is zero.

We don't have zero friction at the bearings, but its low. The oil film between the crank and its bearings is stiff. Even if the bearings are out of line by a considerable amount, there will be no measurable difference in the power seen at the flywheel. Testing with deliberately distorted blocks and cranks supports this theory. The bottom line is, skip the align honing".

Thoughts?

chicane67
Apr 29th, 03, 08:22 PM
Well I guess if you're making 700+ HP, dont do it, because HE said it doesnt matter. :rolleyes: LOL just kidding......if on a tight budget I would pass unless it didnt spin freely.

If you want your power plant to last longer, possibly run smoother and you're into the longevity of your hard earned money......I would consider doing it. $60-80 bucks is cheap insurance in my book. :D

If you use studs I would do it only due to the fact that studs will distort the register, like when you use studs for the cylinder heads......its the reason they use torque plates. The way the fastner loads the threads actually distorts the register which may or may-not pinch the main bearings. Overtime, this could/would be a problem.

[ 04-30-2003, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: chicane67 ]

J early
Apr 30th, 03, 03:08 AM
If a seasoned block is used with its original crank and main caps, at it spins freely, then honing is not needed. In this case honing may be worse than not honing as all the parts have "seasoned" or warped together. A new crank, well I agree with 69...new caps, mandatory.

pdq67
Apr 30th, 03, 07:12 AM
Ditto if it spins even with studs!!!

You are probably just spending money needlessly if you have the mains homed if it spins like stock anyway.

I know my 496 spun just fine with the new main studs I installed as have all my other engines w/o studs so why should I???

BUT if it doesn't spin, then I know something isn't right so will look closer as to why, then maybe hone them... pdq67

Silver69Camaro
Apr 30th, 03, 09:21 AM
I would only do it if I changed main caps, crank didn't spin freely, or if I wanted to be sure about EVERYTHING in the motor...

SY1
Apr 30th, 03, 01:32 PM
I'd do it but only if after setting the stud in and torquing things down the crank had any resistance to it at all, if it spins freely save your cash because it doesn't end with the hone. Align honing sets the cranks slightly closer to the camshaft centerline, this creates slight play in the timing set which will cause problems with valve timing if left uncorrected. Cloyes makes a special timing set for engines that have been align honed for this reason.

Like everything else, going the extra step usually results in a couple extra steps beyond what you're expecting. Decide up front how you will use the motor and what you really need to do to get there with it and budget accordingly. Easier said than done I know!

Good Luck
Dave

gurneyhm
May 1st, 03, 02:37 PM
Hey guys, thanks. Its good to get the feedback to help with the choices.