Hey Guys,
Im new here and i have been looking at some of the previous post about x-codes (or lack of).Heres my basic question-im looking at a 69 camaro that is dressed and badged as a SS/RS 350.every thing on the cowl tag is correct as far as i can tell.IE; lemans blue with white parchment top,deluxe ivory houndstooth interior,built 5 week of august AND NO X-CODE!!The car does not appear to ever have been repainted or reworked.Has been sitting covered in a metal bern for 8 years.My question is can it be an ss/rs without an x-code?Dave

For what it's worth, I own an original RS327 built in Van Nuys in late 1968 with no X code. Not an SS, not a Norwood car, but no X code and original RS.

Jim,thanks for the response.I also have a 69 ss350 built in van nuys, and they did not use x-codes,but i am able to prove its real w/the protecto plate i have for that car.The other car (norwood)that i am looking at has no protecto plate but the owner assures me that it is a "real" ss/rs,-but w/ no x-codes to go by,i am a little skeptical.Thanks for your input.
Dave

Dave

I have an original authenticated 69 RS Z/28 built in Norwood with no X code. X codes were not used on cowl tags until the miodle of Dec. 1968. Cas built before that date will not hve the X code. Mine is a Nov. 1968 build date. What is your car?

Does the car have dual fuel lines? Love the color combo.:thumbsup:

Upon further review,the car was built the 5 week of august and i guess NOR did not start using x-codes until later?Yes i has 2 fuel lines,12 bolt rearend, and the rear spoiler but no front spoiler.The interior is kindof suprising cause of the options or lack of.Deluxe interior with rosewood accents across the dash,grab bar,shoulder belts and a single rear speaker,but no gauge package on the console,and no tach or center mounted clock.Also kinda strange is the lack of any striping on the body-But i guess i could of been removed or factory delete.Just kinda strange cause i thougt that if it was a SS/RS it would be better equiped

Upon further review,the car was built the 5 week of august and i guess NOR did not start using x-codes until later?Yes i has 2 fuel lines,12 bolt rearend, and the rear spoiler but no front spoiler.The interior is kindof suprising cause of the options or lack of.Deluxe interior with rosewood accents across the dash,grab bar,shoulder belts and a single rear speaker,but no gauge package on the console,and no tach or center mounted clock.Also kinda strange is the lack of any striping on the body-But i guess i could of been removed or factory delete.Just kinda strange cause i thougt that if it was a SS/RS it would be better equiped

Love the color combo (see signature).:thumbsup:
Mine is "only" a SS, but basically only have the options you mention.

I also like the color combo(a lot) and so does the wife.If the guy is reasonable about the car i will probably go ahead and buy it.I would rather have the vette he has in there also but im afraid its way out of my price range.66 stingray w/427,4 speed and a/c.Very nice.
Really appreciate the help from u guys in the forum.been very helpful.

Understand that RS/SS are just 2 of the 102 options available on a 69 Camaros not including COPOs. The SS gave you performance (most of this option underhood) the RS is exterior appearance. The deluxe interior gave you different door panels and the woodgrain dash, the grab handle. The clock , gages are a separate option.

Jeff

Upon further review,the car was built the 5 week of august and i guess NOR did not start using x-codes until later?Yes i has 2 fuel lines,12 bolt rearend, and the rear spoiler but no front spoiler.
Which August? 68 or 69? http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
What is the VIN?

kurt,all that i have in front of me ist the sequintal body number from the trim tag-it reads nor111308-i dont have the rest of the vin here. Im not sure which august it was built.I guess i just figured 68 for the 69 model year.

jeff thanks for the input on options.

Dave its possible an August car could be either 68 or 69 built year due to extended model year building in Aug of 69. The whole VIN would tell which it is.

Jim,even it was an Aug 69 build date-wouldnt it require a Xnn code one way or the other?That was my original question.
dave

Since August 68 is before X codes were implemented, (the were implemented in December 68), an August 68 built car would not have the X code. An August 69 built car would have the X code.

Gary-so all camaros built after dec.of 68 have to have x codes..Right

Dave,

The 1969 hard top V8 Camaro's with a 124379N VIN (Norwood, Ohio) built after the 2nd week of December will have an X code. That would be coded as 12B on the build date. If the VIN is 124379L that is a LOS or VAN (Los Angeles or Van Nuys VIN) with a hard top & a V8... An LOS or a VAN car will not have an X code.
FWIW, the first Camaro I ever bought was a 1969 Camaro. The car was built 10D. It was an October 1968 build. No X code and it was a Norwood, Ohio VIN.

You can find more info about build dates and/or X-codes here. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

SSG&H aka Greg

Which August? 68 or 69? http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
What is the VIN?
Kurt,after following this link-i am now more confused-apparently chevy made no camaros in august of 68 for the 69 model year.The chart goes from july,skips august,and then starts in sept.

Greg,thanks for the info-The car is an 08 E. 5th week of august (68,69?)
I also have a 69 van nuys camaro,and if it wasnt for the protecto-plate i could never prove its a real ss.

The car is an 08 E. 5th week of august (68,69?)

What's the VIN?

:beers:

john,dont have the whole vin here.I will get it next time i see the car.

Dave, if it has an 08E trim tag, no X code and was equipped with a V8 with a VIN that stars off as 124379N5XXXXX then it would be a 1969 Camaro built in late August of 1968. You don't see that many non X code early built Norwood cars anymore and I sure do miss mine even after selling it 14 years ago. That car was a 10D tag, 69 B paint code, factory a/c car, TR727 interior. I have never seen one for sale like it ever! The VIN on that car was 124379N530621. I don't mind posting it since I haven't owned it in so long. God knows where the car is now.....The VIN #'s were started at 500001. So you may have one of the first 1969 Camaro's built if the VIN is that low.

Glad I could help and hopefully the info I posted above helps you out even more with identifying what you have. And FWIW virtually all SS cars had front disc brakes. I think I read somewhere where 2 SS cars had front drums for less drag on the brakes & less weight since they were specifically built to race. If you have front drums it's more than likely not an SS.

SSG&H aka Greg

Greg-thanks for the info...This tag thing is kinda wierd cause cause it would appear that chevy did not start making the 69 camaro until the first week in sept of 68.It would appear that this one was made the 5 week of august 1968.I guess it could be one of the first built?I will get the whole VIN # asap.thanks again
dave

You gotta read the caveats with the data.
Those #'s are what Chevy reported. August was the ramp-up period so the apparently just rolled the totals in with Sept.

Some later cars didn't get X-codes, but they are relatively uncommon.

Good info Kurt-thanks again

Dave,

FWIW a buddy of mine & I looked at a 1968 Firebird for sale about 2 years ago. It had an 08E tag. That meant the build date was August of 1967. The 5th week of August would be obviously very late in August. FWIW I have seen 1989 IROC-Z's built 08/1988 but I know it's a 1989 IROC based on the VIN. Sound like you may have one of the first 1969 Camaro's ever built. Probably one of the first 250 'Maro's like that 'Bird my buddy was looking at.

Greg,thanks for everything-i will post more info about the camaro later on.

Mine is a 12A 72B non X code Norwood car
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r185/185sport/pat031.jpg?t=1223829934

Greg,John and Kurt.I appreciate your help and the time you guys give to this forum.Here is the info that ive got off of the trim tag for the blue camaro.Its not the whole VIN # but perhaps there is enough info for someone to tell if its a 68 or 69 build date.
12437nor111308 TR 729 71 E 08E no x-code
Ive figured most of it out but i cant make heads or tails of the sequintial body code that follows the NOR.
Oh,Alan very nice! I will try to figure out how you posted a photo and try it myself.
dave

Mine too, 12A .

Mine too, 12A .

Mine was built 1795 after yours..........yours is the closest steel relative I've found yet:D

Greg,John and Kurt.I appreciate your help and the time you guys give to this forum.Here is the info that ive got off of the trim tag for the blue camaro.Its not the whole VIN # but perhaps there is enough info for someone to tell if its a 68 or 69 build date.
12437nor111308 TR 729 71 E 08E no x-code
Ive figured most of it out but i cant make heads or tails of the sequintial body code that follows the NOR.
Oh,Alan very nice! I will try to figure out how you posted a photo and try it myself.
dave

Thanks Dave ,I appreciate that :thumbsup:For posting pics.... Best thing is to get an account at something like photobucket.com upload pics there ,then click on your pic to make it big ,then right click on the pic then left click on properties (bottom of the list ) and copy that (URL)address,then when posting here the little envelope looking icon up above that looks like a mountain on it with a stamp in the corner click on that (3rd to the left of # sign) ,it will then open a window ,wipe out the http.www. on it and paste the the address you copied.Then post ,it should take it.Hope that makes sense.Maybe someone can explain better, I'm just a layman.:D

The 09A RS/SS I used to own was similar... Norwood built, first week of Sept. 68 (no x code), vinyl top, deluxe interior, no tach, no console gauges. Owned it for about 20 years, up until Oct. '05. The tag should also be a different size than the later tags with the X-code. It's shorter in height.

BDY number on mine was 109934. Vin was XXX503205.

Another note on the pre X Norwood cars. If it is a Z/28 like mine it has a flat hood. The cowl hood was not available for the Z/28 until the 2nd week in Dec. 1968.

Another note on the pre X Norwood cars. If it is a Z/28 like mine it has a flat hood. The cowl hood was not available for the Z/28 until the 2nd week in Dec. 1968.


I know, just couldn't stand living without the killer looks of a cowl hood. When I found out car was comming without one,, my car in operative order (pink sheet) was submitted the following week of Dec 68. Hey, car would be inoperative if it didn't have a cowl hood, right?

I know, just couldn't stand living without the killer looks of a cowl hood. When I found out car was comming without one,, my car in operative order (pink sheet) was submitted the following week of Dec 68. Hey, car would be inoperative if it didn't have a cowl hood, right?

Hey Don, I cannot tell a lie. Mine has a cowl hood too, I have the orginal flat hood in the attic.:D

Hey Don, I cannot tell a lie. Mine has a cowl hood too, I have the orginal flat hood in the attic.:D

Lucky you, I turned my back in to parts dept inventory, took the credit to pay for cowl hood. Were not worth much back then. Today, its another story.

Don, how about shipping us some of those 'hot' brats for a BBQ up here :D

back in the day... almost NO Z28's had cowl hoods..... It was 1976 before I even saw one (when I bought my '69 it was the first factory cowl hood I'd seen).. Before that I did see some fiberglass ones (aftermarket) which people put on for weight savings...

Well.. after I posted that (based on my memory of many Z28's running around between '69 and '72 timeframe)... I went to CRG.. they say 10,xxx cowl hoods were sold (did this also include Over the counter sales?).. from 243,xxx Camaros and 20,xxx Z28's..

After the Z11s, Z10s, and COPOs, there weren't many cowl hoods left for the Zs and SSs.

^ true that ^

regular SS's got them too so guessing how many Z's really had them is just a guess

What is a 'regular SS'?? Didn't all Super Sports get the SS hood, with the chrome gingerbread? I didn't even know the cowl hood was an option for SS's from the factory??

Don, how about shipping us some of those 'hot' brats for a BBQ up here :D

Looking to self deliver maybe during the TC Team cruise in 2009, Lets see where you 'northern" guys go next year. Got the tortillas ready.

What is a 'regular SS'?? Didn't all Super Sports get the SS hood, with the chrome gingerbread? I didn't even know the cowl hood was an option for SS's from the factory??


After Dec. 68 requires SS or Z/28
Look here under ZL2 option....................
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf

Thanks... and I guess by 'regular SS', he meant non-Z11 SS's??

Hey guys-no new info on the blue ss/rs.I am still in negotiations w/the current owner.
I do have a question about my LOS car though-the one thing that has always stumped me is th code that is where the x-code would be on a NOR car.It reads UO49.Ive looked in my books and on this site but i cannot find it any where.Is this an option package?
Thanks

I do have a question about my LOS car though-the one thing that has always stumped me is th code that is where the x-code would be on a NOR car.It reads UO49.Ive looked in my books and on this site but i cannot find it any where.Is this an option package?
Thanks

Internal plant scheduling code, basically just says the time/sequence in which it rolled down the line. Really no real info about the car.

Ahhh.Thanks Dave.