Anyone talking about this 68 Yenko on ebay? Tag looks real to my untrained eye, at least looks to have been on the car for a long time anyway.

Any comments on this car?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290266896847&rd=1




Rich

I don't see an engine or transmission. That is a lot of money for a body.

With a TN state issued VIN.

$80K for that?

With a TN state issued VIN.

$80K for that?


But it has paperwork (need to verify) and the Yenko number in the door jamb.... that is a very rare Camaro .Not sure i would pay 80K for it but it is very rare

Just wondering. And it has the magic mirror trim tag which some say were on 68 yenko's and there is a good discussion on the link in the ad to the pace car forums.

Rich

$80K for that?
Now it's up to $100,100 with 23 bids (reserve not met). Obviously there's quite a few people who feel it's worth ALOT

Complete and restored it is worth what? $250k? But what could it be worth with non matching tranny and motor?

Just wondering. And it has the magic mirror trim tag which some say were on 68 yenko's and there is a good discussion on the link in the ad to the pace car forums.

Rich

same tag as earlier 60's chevy's

Just wondering. And it has the magic mirror trim tag which some say were on 68 yenko's and there is a good discussion on the link in the ad to the pace car forums.

Rich

They don't understand the tag or its use. They are hung up on why GM would call out the use of lacquer paint, when that was what they normally used. They don't see the info thats not on the tag as opposed to what is on it. The tag was used on Yenkos, and export cars in 68.

Complete and restored it is worth what? $250k? But what could it be worth with non matching tranny and motor?

I think that car has been verified, but not positive. Documented Yenkos without their original driveline do not loose as much value as you might think. Remember these cars did not have their "born with" engine when sold new, as they were dealer transplants.

up to $100,000. wow

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=290266896847

Appears to be a real car but would still check it out to be sure.

It is a very rear car for two reasons.

1) It was a special order SS396 L78 with option COPO 9737 Yenko sportscar conversion

2) It had a 427 engine transplant and was sold new as a 427 Yenko Super Camaro

I have an old Yenko ad from 1968 that has 5 Corvette Bronze COPO 9737 Camaros for sale so Yenko must have ordered a bunch of them

In the ad they call it an export trim tag but it is the same tag as used on older Chevys

Isn't that a small block fan shroud bracket in one of the pics?

I don't see an engine or transmission. That is a lot of money for a body.

An engine and tranny where this car is concerned is a relatively minor issue. In todays world that car may very well be one of five existing. The guys that own these types of cars are just not going to give them away, as very well they should't.

What I wonder is what did the previous owner think he had? It is obviously marked in many places as a Yenko. Where have they been? Don't they have Speed channel? Ever heard of Barret Jackson?
Anyway, It looks like a totally solid car to me. I wonder how high it has to go. And what should be done with it? One of those ugly rebuilds with fake crayon markings all over it? To me those look ridiculous. But, whatever...

They don't understand the tag or its use. They are hung up on why GM would call out the use of lacquer paint, when that was what they normally used. They don't see the info thats not on the tag as opposed to what is on it. The tag was used on Yenkos, and export cars in 68.


Mark,

I think we understand that that tag was used on the 68 Yenkos and Export cars.... :yes:

So what information is it that's not on the tag that your referring to? Can you share that with us?

Rick

I don't think the "magic mirror" tag is an export tag.

I think it is just the older style tag used on many Chevys.

It may have been also on some exports but I found some export tag pics and they
were a lot different tag then this.

I have a theroy why they used the older tag but its just a theory


here is a pic of a 1962 tag on top and 68 Yenko
tag on bottom

The normal tags have wording about safety/emisison stuff in the bottom section so I would guess that the Yenko cars did not meet safety or emissions requirements thus getting the Magic Mirror tag. Is that only on the COPO 9737 cars though? Or is it more related to the carb that was installed on the L78 that might not have met EPA certifications?

The normal tags have wording about safety/emisison stuff in the bottom section so I would guess that the Yenko cars did not meet safety or emissions requirements thus getting the Magic Mirror tag. Is that only on the COPO 9737 cars though? Or is it more related to the carb that was installed on the L78 that might not have met EPA certifications?


I think that is another old Yenko myth that is not correct.

The 68 normal tag just has a statement on safety. I think this change was done to meet new 68 FED GOV safety regulations.

The 68 Yenko 427 Super Camaro was emission legal. They were the only 68 427 Camaros that were according to the 1968 Yenko ads.

I have some additional paperwork on this and believe it was true.

The 68 Yenko wasn't technically emissions legal, since the 427 was never certified for use in the Camaro at that time, the L78 was. Yes, the use of that tag essentially means this car is for off road use only. They just used the older stlye tags to get around the safety statement.

With a TN state issued VIN.

maybe it was stolen at one time and the vin was removed ...

there is no picture of the GM applied VIN ...

hard to say without asking I guess

wonder if it has a salvage title?

The 68 Yenko was technically emissions legal because Yenko had it certified on his own.

Yenko ran ads that state it was emissions legal and there is a bunch of paperwork on it.

Yenko also attemped to get the Yenko Turbo Stinger Vega certified on his own but the car failed. There is also paperwork on it.

I don't see why there would be a safety issuse as the car left Chevy as a normal L78 except for the COPO 9737 option.

The use of this tag on Yenkos and exports has been discussed several times over the years.

Joe,
The as-shipped L78 powertrain was not certified, hence the use of the tag. Wouldn't matter that the 427 was certified, cause that's not what Chevy was selling.

GM covering their ass. Dealers can't recertify a car after its been made, and GM wouldn't have cared if they did as it left their plant uncertified.

L78 w/a 4 speed in 68 would not have been not certified by GM.

what I am thinking is that since the 1968 tag has no bottom line to show options they could not put a special order code like they did on some special order 67 Yenkos and Pace cars so they used the old Magic Mirror tag as an identifier.

Instead of the bottom line order code or dash used in 67 they used the old MM tag on special order 68s like the Yenkos and exports

I don't think the MM tag was for emission or safety non-compliance, as I believe the Yenkos were built meeting all emission and safety requirements or Chevy would not have let them out.

just my opinion

Also with the MM tag, the L78 motors that were installed at GM were special stamped with the MV code on the engine pad. One of the ways for GM and the dealer to specifically designate the block with the MM tagged car.

Again, with limited knowledge of what happened back then, this is speculation and reasonable theory.

It could be safety related. Chevy knew 427's were going in these at the dealer and they may have wanted to not have the conformance statement on the car.

Lastly, it could a throwback to the Yenko Stingers where Yenko was recognized as the manufacturer of the Stingers (not Chevy). Hence the door jamb plate too.

Don't know, but there were other known fleets ordered and they didn't use this tag.

The manufacturer on the Yenko Stingers is Yenko Sportscars.
Don had a separate company for his hi po stuff.

I am trying to tie this all together on the 1968 Yenkos.
Yenko submitted the first YS 8001 Yenko Super Camaro door tag to NHRA along with his manufacturer credentials with an exaggerated vin list of 107 1967 Yenko Camaros and some Stinger info (I think) to show NHRA that the 427 Camaro should qualify for Super Stock racing.

This may tie in with why Yenko had the 427 Camaro emission certified and had them built with the special engine code that would show up on the pop and Chevy could show record that the 50-car NHRA minimum was met.

I believe this was an effort by Yenko and Vince Piggins and other Chevy product promotion people to get the 427 Camaro approved for 1968 NHRA Super Stock.

Since the 1968 Hemi Darts were not really factory built but were allowed in NHRA Super Stock, this attempt by Yenko and Chevy looks like it may have worked but didn’t.

Then Chevy had to really factory build 427 Camaros in 1969.

Doesn't matter what Yenko did to get the cars certified. He was trying to get them certified with NHRA not for use on the open roadways. When the cars left GM's plant they were not in compliance with Federal safety and emmision rules in effect (or GM knew they were going to be modified so that they would not be in compliance). Hence the use of the tags without the conformance statement. It's not that dificult a concept. Whatever tricks Don Yenko pulled to get the cars certified for use in the NHRA is beyond GM's responsibility. They had to protect themselves from the Feds coming back at them for these non conforming cars.

In 69, the L72 (and ZL1) engine was certified for use in the Camaro by GM (otherwise it wouldn't have been an RPO) hence there was no need to have a tag on the car without the conformance statement.

To me it is an interesting topic and is a little more complicated then that.

NHRA required proof that 50 cars were factory built and sold to the public to be eligible for Super Stock.

Yenko tried to convince NHRA that the 427 Yenko Super Camaro is a production vehicle built by Yenko Sportscars Inc. who is a recognized manufacturer. (this is documented).

Yenko had the 1968 427 Camaro EPA certified on his own . (this is documented).
I assume he did it in order to support his claim that his 427 Yenko Super Camaro is a production vehicle. (It had to be for SUPER STOCK)

Yenko Sportscars Inc. was a recognized manufacturer of the Yenko Stinger so his claims to NHRA were all true however he did exaggerate some numbers.

The 1968 428 Cobra Jet Mustang and 1968 Hemi Dart were special built but they were accepted by NHRA.
The 67 and 68 427 Yenko Super Camaros were accepted by AHRA but not by NHRA.

Yenko made a good effort to get the cars approved but I guess he did not fully meet the NHRA definition of a “factory”.

When Da Grump brought his home made 1969 ZL1 to its first NHRA meet he failed tech inspection for Super Stock because NHRA had not received proof that 50 ZL1s were sold to the public at that time. So NHRA must have been pretty strict to the rules.

What does all this have to do with this thread? :)

This is one reason I believe the 1968 SS396 COPO 9737 Camaros fully met all emission and safety laws as they left Norwood. There was no reason for them not to be fully legal as Yenko had to “re-manufacture” them as 427 Yenko Super Camaros built by Yenko Sportscars Inc.
For legal reasons, I don’t think Chevy would have ever let them out without full compliance and there was no reason to do so.

$125K so far

$125K so far

If its a real car and someone looking for a car like this that is convinced its real, will pay whatever it takes. Its just that simple.

1st gen Yenko Camaro sale price has been all over the board lately.
Recently have seen auction results from $250K to $480K and there is a green one on ebay now with a BIN of $315K.

So this 68 may hit $150K if you use a rough number of $150K for a top level resto you would be in it for $300K and I think some people would go for that.

Was talking to a friend about the values of 69 Yenko vs 67-68 as 69s were always higher and he said "everybody has a 69 Yenko, the 67 and 68 are alot more rare" :)

I laughed and said "everyone has a 69 Yenko Camaro??" less then 200 can ever be found.

His point was that the big collections already have 69s so will push up prices on 67-68s.

I'm not sure, as the 69 is probably still more popular.

Joe,Out of 200 1969 Yenko 427 Camaros made,how many are found? Dan

If its a real car and someone looking for a car like this that is convinced its real, will pay whatever it takes. Its just that simple.

Unless its more than $145k. :D

Joe,Out of 200 1969 Yenko 427 Camaros made,how many are found? Dan


Dan, I'm not sure. I haven't done much research on the 69's.

I been doing 67-68 Yenkos as I was not able to find much on them.

VIN 8063 is not listed in the list of VINs in the Yenko registry...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/76005/an/0/page/0#Post76005

VIN 8063 is not listed in the list of VINs in the Yenko registry...




That is not a complete list. The Vince E. list has 64 1968 Yenko Camaros

Joe,Someone mentioned approximately 85 of the 69 Yenko 427 Camaros have been found,don't know if its true or not? So it seems like a lot less 67 Yenko (Harrell) 427 Camaros and 68 Yenko converted 427 Camaro's have been found out of their original totals built....

The lowest number of Yenko Camaros found is the 81 Turbo Z but I believe only about 20 built.

The 67 Yenkos are the second lowest number of found cars.

The number of 85 may be close for the found 69s. Someone else said about half but I dont know if that includes the number of known vins stolen, wrecked, junked, etc.
I have not really been tracking the 69s because I know other people are.

I been collecting info on 67s 68s and 81 Camaros and Yenko Chevelles.

Appears to be a real car but would still check it out to be sure.

It is a very rear car for two reasons.

1) It was a special order SS396 L78 with option COPO 9737 Yenko sportscar conversion

2) It had a 427 engine transplant and was sold new as a 427 Yenko Super Camaro

I have an old Yenko ad from 1968 that has 5 Corvette Bronze COPO 9737 Camaros for sale so Yenko must have ordered a bunch of them

In the ad they call it an export trim tag but it is the same tag as used on older Chevys


Joe I looked at the car and it is real.It has the MSO,invoice from E.B. Smith and copy of first assignment title from Yenko/Smith.It looks like an old drag car.I don't see any issue of the state assigned vin tag as it does have a clear title and the vins are the same.Vin numbers are on the body and trim tag is authentic.Any questions anyone may have you can email me at copo427@charter.net