Anyone else installed this kit, I would like to see a pic of someone who installed this kit as a "bolt in with no special tools needed". I mean, sure it could be done but would look like total S***. The way it sits right now the mufflers are sitting under my drive shaft and the tail pipes aren't even close to exiting at the proper location. I called Pypes to see if they could assist but they just led me to a picture of car on there website with a different kit installed. The instructions were useless as it just includes a picture of what I already purchased.

Joe

I had the same x pipe set up on my car and the main problem is the rear legs dont have a small "kickout" on them like the Flowmaster or magnaflow kit. Without this "kick" it puts the mufflers to close to the driveshaft. I hade my exhaust guy put to small kicks on the ends and everything then fit fine. But....I used flowmaster tailpipes becuase I heard the Pypes did not fit well....

I just spent the last hour on the phone with my son. He was under his 69 installing a Pypes kit. His is 3" like mine with the X pipe. It's stainless and he bought it from Summit for a 'real good price'. He knew the risk. Anyway, it was great fun listening to him grunt, bang, push and swap pipes. Same problem as Joe. Nothing labled and no instructions. Then all of a sudden, everything went into place. I kept telling him it would fit.

My system is from Ram Air Restorations. No instructions needed. Everything was numbered/labled. This is five minutes from the shipping carton still seen behind the system. Great stuff. Perfect fit.
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Yep. 3" stuff. 69's rule!:hurray:
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That is EXACTLY what I'm running into. Thanks for the reply, wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something here... I installed my Flowmaster kit years ago with no problems and assumed this would the be the same. Not only does it not fit but parts were labeled wrong. My left was labeled as Right and my Right was labeled as Left. :( Thats just bad....

I brought it to an exhaust shop today and after he worked with it a couple of hours he also came up with the same conclusion of making a kickout on the rear of the x pipe so the mufflers would be in the correct location and not directly under my driveshaft. Of course, who knows what will have to be modified to get the tailpipes correct as they are not even close.

Thanks, Joe

I just spent the last hour on the phone with my son. He was under his 69 installing a Pypes kit. His is 3" like mine with the X pipe. It's stainless and he bought it from Summit for a 'real good price'. He knew the risk. Anyway, it was great fun listening to him grunt, bang, push and swap pipes. Same problem as Joe. Nothing labled and no instructions. Then all of a sudden, everything went into place. I kept telling him it would fit.

My system is from Ram Air Restorations. No instructions needed. Everything was numbered/labled. This is five minutes from the shipping carton still seen behind the system. Great stuff. Perfect fit.
http://epitomesrebuild.com/images/157.JPG

Yep. 3" stuff. 69's rule!:hurray:
http://epitomesrebuild.com/images/245.JPG



I think this falls under the category of "I got what I paid for" ;)

Nice kit BTW,,,,, I'm jealous!! :)

I just received mine yesterday and am going to attempt installation tonight and tomorrow.

I hope I don't run into the issues you are having as I am replacing a Summit brand 3" system that just did not fit right and after taking to the local exhaust shop he made it worse...

I have not heard of any fitment issues, but I agree that the 1 page instruction shett is pretty much useless..

Which mufflers did you get, the race pro or street pro?
I got the Race pros..I will keep you posted on how it goes...

I actually went with the borla XR1 series mufflers.. Same physical size, hope I'm happy with the sound.. Keep us posted how you make out tomorrow. Good luck.

Thanks, Joe

I actually went with the borla XR1 series mufflers.. Same physical size, hope I'm happy with the sound.. Keep us posted how you make out tomorrow. Good luck.

Thanks, Joe


Sixtynine. I put the oval xr-1 mufflers on my car and it sounds wicked! Thats not the best part...I had 2 1/2" 2 chamber flowmasters with an h-pipe on my car before and with the borla's and custom made x-pipe, i swear the car picked up 30 ft/lb's of torque! I can roll out in second gear and slowly get into it and it starts frying the tires.:D You will be very happy with the xr-1's!

Sixtynine. I put the oval xr-1 mufflers on my car and it sounds wicked! Thats not the best part...I had 2 1/2" 2 chamber flowmasters with an h-pipe on my car before and with the borla's and custom made x-pipe, i swear the car picked up 30 ft/lb's of torque! I can roll out in second gear and slowly get into it and it starts frying the tires.:D You will be very happy with the xr-1's!


AWESOME! I also had the flo's with the H pipe.... Hopefully, once I get the system finished up I'll have the same results!!! Thanks for the "PickMeUp" I needed some positive news after working with this system today... :beers:

Joe

This is why I'm having my 3" x-pipe exhaust custom fabbed tomorrow. I'll watch the entire fab and can have all the bends in the positions I want and it will tuck up higher to the floor pans as well without all the band clamp adjustment headaches. I've bought one catback for my LS1 SS, and the fitment was marginal at best. Needless to say I took it off for a custom 2.5" x-pipe system.

Sixtynine. I put the oval xr-1 mufflers on my car and it sounds wicked! Thats not the best part...I had 2 1/2" 2 chamber flowmasters with an h-pipe on my car before and with the borla's and custom made x-pipe, i swear the car picked up 30 ft/lb's of torque! I can roll out in second gear and slowly get into it and it starts frying the tires.:D You will be very happy with the xr-1's!

got a sound clip yet? :D

got a sound clip yet? :D

Working on it.;) Been busy around here working on other cars. I'll try to get a clip tomorrow.

Cool, I'd like to hear it also!

I got my Pypes System installed tonight...PYPES SGF60R ( Race Pro mufflers)

It seems to fit pretty good, except for the tailpipes...I am not sure if they are marked wrong or not(right & left), but I will mess with it again tomorrow.From the X pipe to the rear of the mufflers fits very good.. It tucks up pretty good and I have alot more ground clearance than I did before. I had to cut off about 6 inches from the rear legs of the pipes per the instructions to center the middle of the X pipe to about 8 - 12 inches behind the tailshaft of the trans.
I got the Race Pro mufflers and I love them...They are VERY quiet at idle and cruise, maybe just a bit louder than stock, but when you open them up..they scream!!!! They do not have a low rumble, but more of a higher pitched sound. They soud 100 % better than the cheepie turbos I replaced them with. They are behind a 350/330 HP GMPP Crate engine with Summit long tube headers..

I will take some pics when I get it adjusted right...I may take it to a muffler shop to have them weld the joints..I don't trust muffler clamps...

Overall I would say that it is a pretty good system for the price.. I paid under $350 shipped to my door from Summit.

I would like to see your x pipe to see if its different from mine. My x pipe forces my muffs to fall directly under the drive shaft. Pics would be great! I'm wondering if there are two different kits out there and I got one of the older ones. Mine also came from Summit but it was the kit without the muffs so maybe it was sitting on the shelf for a while. Glad you got it, I will pick mine up from the exhaust shop on Monday.

Joe

I have the Pypes 3" stainless kit with race-pros as well. Really like the race-pros sound and lot quieter than even a 2.5" Magnaflow. The kit isn't in the car yet and I'll probably have to do something custom to go over the rear end since I have a G-Bar.

Here ya go. For those who like flowmasters, they may not like the Borla xr-1's. I like em! :yes:Turn up the volume. Sounds better that way.:D



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I got the Pypes exhaust installed. I decided to use the clamps for now.. The local Exhaust shops want $200 to weld them for me..I kind of like the idea of clamps for now in case they need more adjustment.
I did not use the tailpipe hangers they provided. I used a generic hanger instead. Took it for a test run and it sounds good and there are no rattles.
Here are the pics that were requested showing the X pipe and tail pipes.
My tailpipes were marked wrong (right and left mislabeled) , but overall it seems to fit pretty good. It is definitely not a bolt on and go system...There is alot of tweaking to get it to fit right, but take your time and it should go OK.
One thing I noticed was that when the car is up on jackstands on the rear axle it looks like the mufflers are very close the the drive shaft, but when you put it back on the floor they are fine with plenty of clearance. I dont see a need for the X pipe to be kicked out at all to fit.

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yup thats what mine looked like. With my x pype for my 75 i had to modify the x pype on one side so it would be even. Pretty dumb...and pypes sent me two right sided tail pypes! jerks! Yeah I suppose you dont have to know how to label to make good parts lol.

I was planning on running 2.5" exhaust...wasn't sure that 3" would be quiet enough for inspections, etc?

Jim

Did anyone using this Pypes system get the tailpipes right? Mine are way too short and end way underneath the car. I've been trying off and on for two weeks to get my Pypes 2 1/2" system correct ... no luck. They also gave me 2" collector reducers. (I bought my system direct from Pypes at the GM Carlisle show) When I emailed their tech department and sent a bunch of pictures, the response I got was that a 2" reducer is a strange size (yeah, no kidding) and the tailpipes should exit under the rear valence (again, yeah, no kidding)!!!!! Their customer service isn't the greatest (sucks?).

After over a year, my '69 convertible is almost ready to hit the road again and I don't have an exhaust system. Oh well, I guess I could take just a short trip with th open headers.

Did anyone using this Pypes system get the tailpipes right? Mine are way too short and end way underneath the car. I've been trying off and on for two weeks to get my Pypes 2 1/2" system correct ... no luck. They also gave me 2" collector reducers. (I bought my system direct from Pypes at the GM Carlisle show) When I emailed their tech department and sent a bunch of pictures, the response I got was that a 2" reducer is a strange size (yeah, no kidding) and the tailpipes should exit under the rear valence (again, yeah, no kidding)!!!!! Their customer service isn't the greatest (sucks?).

After over a year, my '69 convertible is almost ready to hit the road again and I don't have an exhaust system. Oh well, I guess I could take just a short trip with th open headers. I'm getting ready to order the SGF60R kit myself and have spent alot of time on the Pypes website before making my decision. Funny thing is that I can order it from Summit for about $150 less than if I order direct from Pypes. Anyway the way the system is designed they reccomend getting the tailpipes in position first and working forward which makes sense to me since all headers are not the same length. I'm also ordering the extra long collector reducers which are 12" long so I can cut them to fit once I get to bolting the system up to the headers. http://www.pysales.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=PVR16S%20%20%20%20%20%20% 20%20%201?comp=ppe I see no problem with making this system fit if done this way. I suspect the guys who are having problems with the tailpipes fitting are starting at the front and working towards the back. Think outside the box & work back to front and I'll bet it will all work out fine.

I see no problem with making this system fit if done this way. I suspect the guys who are having problems with the tailpipes fitting are starting at the front and working towards the back. Think outside the box & work back to front and I'll bet it will all work out fine.

Guess again. I started working from the back (as per the instructions) and there is no way to get the tailpipes correct. Besides, you can't possibly start from the front as many pipes need to be cut to fit. Good luck with yours.

Thanks for the info. I have access to an exhaust bending machine and 30 years experience with fabricating racecars. I think I can figure it out... I agree though that for the money it should be easy enough for a 16 year old with a set of Craftsman wrenches to install. Here's a pic of my other car... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg163/nhbandit/m_828c873bdcc7f38bdb4a3319d32e2f58.jpg

Thanks for the info. I have access to an exhaust bending machine and 30 years experience with fabricating racecars. I think I can figure it out... I agree though that for the money it should be easy enough for a 16 year old with a set of Craftsman wrenches to install.

I wish I had access to an exhaust bending machine (as well as any experience fabricating racecars), then I would scrap the pypes system and build my own. I just don't think the parts I received are correct.

I wish I had access to an exhaust bending machine (as well as any experience fabricating racecars), then I would scrap the pypes system and build my own. I just don't think the parts I received are correct. Denis what about adding a pair of these ? Pypes lists them for 69 Camaros and they would surely put the exit under the rear valance. Do you have the tailpipes that dump on roughly a 45 degree angle between the quarter panel & the rear spring ? http://www.pypesexhaust.com/images/evt58.jpg

Denis what about adding a pair of these ? Pypes lists them for 69 Camaros and they would surely put the exit under the rear valance. Do you have the tailpipes that dump on roughly a 45 degree angle between the quarter panel & the rear spring ? http://www.pypesexhaust.com/images/evt58.jpg

Those are the ones I bought and they end up too short. Maybe the pipes leading up to them are wrong, or the tailpipes I received are for some other application (there are no numbers or tags on them). And yes, the two piece "over the axle" pipes dump behind the rear tire, but even they don't seem back far enough. I'll post pictures of my problems tomorrow as I am currently on my home computer and my photos are on my work computer.

i installed the pypes 3inch kit w/Xpipe on my 67. Mines mini-tub'd so i knew id be in for alot of fun. I started working on mine from the front and worked my way back. Got the X part of the xpipe located behind and under the transmission where i wanted it. Made the necessary cuts and weld's where needed and got it bolted into place. then went for the mufflers. mocked them up under the car and cut what was needed off the end of the xpipe to get the mufflers to sit where i wanted. then worked on the tailpipes. Those i had to trim down, adjust, tweak but got them to fit even w/the deeper wheel tubs. ive also got a RockValley narrowed tank, that helped alot. It wasnt as bad as id thought id be. If i had to do it again id order the pypes kit again.... minus the mufflers. Trades out the Violators for a pair of Super 44's from flowmaster.

Below are a few photos of my problems. As shown in the first picture, it seems that the pipe is too short and doesn't dump nearly far enough toward the rear of the vehicle. The second photo shows the vertical pipe after the muffler which (as mentioned in a previous post on this sight) seems too long and the following pipe hits the frame. My third photo shows the collector reducer which is way too small. The pipes after the muffler on the right side are TGF60FR followed by TGF60RR, which I assume stands for front right and rear right.

What am I doing wrong?

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From what I can see it looks like you need to move everything to the rear a bit. The highest part of your tailpipe assembly seems too far forward in reference to the rear axle and moving it all to the rear will cause your tips to be closer to the back panel. As far as that reducer in your pic all I can say is what the hell is that supposed to be ? Somebody screwed the pooch when they sent you that. Here is what I ordered for mine. As you can see the extra length makes it easy to put the tailpipes where they need to be and build your system from back to front. Just cut the collector reducers to fit your headers once everything else is in place. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg163/nhbandit/collector-reducers.jpg

Your setup definitely looks like it's too far forward. Do you have dual mufflers under the floor or the single crossflow muffler? Here's a picture of my old 68 with the Pypes tailpipes straight out the back. But you can see the angled down portion is back within the quarter panel behind the tire. Your angled down portion is too far forward in the wheel opening. My 68 had fuel injection so there were 2 fuel lines tucked up in the area where the tailpipes went so I had to drop the tailpiped a little to keep it away from the fuel lines and then angled the pipes back up and tight under the rear pan.

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From what I can see it looks like you need to move everything to the rear a bit. The highest part of your tailpipe assembly seems too far forward in reference to the rear axle and moving it all to the rear will cause your tips to be closer to the back panel.

Everything can't be moved toward the rear because the front pipe (of the two piece tailpipe) has a welded bracket that attaches to the floor near the rear seat belt mounts. So that pipe has to go in that spot. Something else is wrong somewhere.

Don't know what to tell you then. In the pic above posted by Jeff H they look great. It's entirely possible the welded bracket you refer to is in the wrong place on your pipes. If it was me I'd mount the pipes where they fit the best and modify or move the bracket. My stuff is incoming in a few days. I'll post my findings once I test fit it to my car.

My car has different tailpipes now that I just looked at the Pypes website. Look at their qtr exit exhaust vs the straight out the back which is labled 70-81 only. I bought the 70-81 only tailpipes because I knew they would fit fine. I think you will need to get some different tips if you want them to exit all the way out the back. I trimmed my tailpipes and put the angle cut on them myself exactly where I wanted them. I think your system is fine, just that those tips do not exit all the way out the back.

Thanks for the info. I have access to an exhaust bending machine and 30 years experience with fabricating racecars. I think I can figure it out... I agree though that for the money it should be easy enough for a 16 year old with a set of Craftsman wrenches to install. Here's a pic of my other car... http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg163/nhbandit/m_828c873bdcc7f38bdb4a3319d32e2f58.jpg



Good thing cause your going to need it!
There is no excuse for mis-labeled parts.

Here is a picture of the bracket on the front-most section of the two piece tailpipe. So you see, it can't really be moved back toward the rear of the vehicle.

Any other ideas? Wrong pipes or am I doing something wrong?

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Here is a picture of the bracket on the front-most section of the two piece tailpipe. So you see, it can't really be moved back toward the rear of the vehicle.

Any other ideas? Wrong pipes or am I doing something wrong?

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I had (or the muff shop did anyway) the same problem.. He had to add in some pipe there for me to bring it out the rear where it SHOULD be. Mine in no way were going to fit the way they were sent. I will post some picks for you in the next day or so if you'd like to see what he had to do to make them work.

Joe

I will post some picks for you in the next day or so if you'd like to see what he had to do to make them work.

Joe

Yeah, some pictures would be great.

I was hoping to do this exhaust system myself and save a few bucks ... but I suppose that isn't going to happen. In order to get it to a shop, I guess I'll hack up the old system and use that, at least mufflers forward.

Hey guys. I bought my pypes "bolt on" 2.5 inch kit a few months ago and installed them to find much of the same problems. Here's a few things to consider:

1) All their kits are meant for 100% stock vehicles! It will not be "bolt on" for anything modified in ANY way... and even then the fit is piss poor.

2) As an extension to #1, This kit will not fit a camraro with the Hotchkis TVS installed! I have the TVS... believe me... I know. The hangers are welded in place and will want to lay EXACTLY where the Hotchkis rear swaybar mounts to the body (where the rear seatbelt bolts come through on that oval looking plate). You CAN NOT get around this. I'll tell you how to fix this further down.

3) The instructions are non existent... no really... there are none... and the tech support is next to useless. Buy these and you're on your own. I also called up their tech support when I couldn't figure out where the hangers went with the TVS and all I got was "take a look at the picture on the website". Well it was a 69 and I have a 67. Plus the pics are for the PROTOTYPE install and you can tell it has been modified since then.

4) You WILL need special tooling. Because they don't know what type of exhaust manifolds/headers you're using, the pipes connecting to them are long. You will need a cuttoff wheel or chop saw with a metal cutting blade to cut these down. Be careful not to cut too short. Once you cut these in any way to make them fit your car... which you will ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO do, they are non returnable. The warranty will not be voided in any way though.

5) The tail pipe ends seem to come miss labeled right to left. I found that mine fit relatively well when they were on backwards according to the label.

My fixes:

A) My fix for the hangers not being in the right places was to use a cutoff wheel and CAREFULLY cut the welds on the hangers. I relocated the hangers to fit a better spot. I found where they would sit nicely against the body, put them in their rubber mounts and screwed the mounts to the body, then welded the hangers to the pipes. I asked Pypes about this and they assured me that the warranty is not void because I made this mod… I just couldn’t return it.

B) Don’t just start from the back and work forward like the instructions say unless you’re 100% stock. I got the back pipes to fit as best as possible and then made my fitment for the front and then back to the rear and then back to the front, all the while working from outside towards the center. It worked out well. I made sure to cut on the long side each time making little adjustments as I went. It meant hanging it and taking it apart about 10 times but it came out great. Better safe than sorry!

c) I think your system is a little too far forward. It probably needs to be moved back although I doubt that will give you what you want 100%. You may need an extension before the nice exhaust tips. And since you probably had to cut the system to get it this far… you’ll probably end up too short somewhere and will need that extension anyways.

D) Definitely swap the tail pipe ends around and you’ll see that they’ll fit better.

E) The kit should be installed with the full weight of the car on the rear axle. When the axle is compressed, the driveshaft is well out of the way. I have a good 4-5 inches between it and my dual pipes.

Final Comment:

The entire failure of this system, in my opinion is the poor location of those dang hangers. Just relocate them CAREFULLY and it will fit better, unfortunately they are the only set point in the whole kit. You move them and prepare for a long days (or days) of test fitting everything else to them.

HOWEVER… Damn this thing sounds GREAT!!!! I bought the street pros because I got a powerglide and I’m always going to be at high RPMs. I want it quieter while driving… not ear splitting ALL the time except when stopped at a light.

The system is nice. The mufflers sound killer. The price is right. All you have to supply is a cutting device, MAYBE a mig ($30 rental at Home Depot), a socket set, a tape measure, a sharpie, AND TONS OF PATIENCE AND TIME. Take your time… don’t rush it or you may just cut off too much... and at that point... well... you know.

Good luck

Hey guys. I bought my pypes "bolt on" 2.5 inch kit a few months ago and installed them to find much of the same problems. Here's a few things to consider:

1) All their kits are meant for 100% stock vehicles! It will not be "bolt on" for anything modified in ANY way... and even then the fit is piss poor.


2) As an extension to #1, This kit will not fit a camraro with the Hotchkis TVS installed! I have the TVS... believe me... I know. The hangers are welded in place and will want to lay EXACTLY where the Hotchkis rear swaybar mounts to the body (where the rear seatbelt bolts come through on that oval looking plate). You CAN NOT get around this. I'll tell you how to fix this further down.

3) The instructions are non existent... no really... there are none... and the tech support is next to useless. Buy these and you're on your own. I also called up their tech support when I couldn't figure out where the hangers went with the TVS and all I got was "take a look at the picture on the website". Well it was a 69 and I have a 67. Plus the pics are for the PROTOTYPE install and you can tell it has been modified since then.


4) You WILL need special tooling. Because they don't know what type of exhaust manifolds/headers you're using, the pipes connecting to them are long. You will need a cuttoff wheel or chop saw with a metal cutting blade to cut these down. Be careful not to cut too short. Once you cut these in any way to make them fit your car... which you will ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO do, they are non returnable. The warranty will not be voided in any way though.

5) The tail pipe ends seem to come miss labeled right to left. I found that mine fit relatively well when they were on backwards according to the label.



My fixes:

A) My fix for the hangers not being in the right places was to use a cutoff wheel and CAREFULLY cut the welds on the hangers. I relocated the hangers to fit a better spot. I found where they would sit nicely against the body, put them in their rubber mounts and screwed the mounts to the body, then welded the hangers to the pipes. I asked Pypes about this and they assured me that the warranty is not void because I made this mod… I just couldn’t return it.

B) Don’t just start from the back and work forward like the instructions say unless you’re 100% stock. I got the back pipes to fit as best as possible and then made my fitment for the front and then back to the rear and then back to the front, all the while working from outside towards the center. It worked out well. I made sure to cut on the long side each time making little adjustments as I went. It meant hanging it and taking it apart about 10 times but it came out great. Better safe than sorry!

c) I think your system is a little too far forward. It probably needs to be moved back although I doubt that will give you what you want 100%. You may need an extension before the nice exhaust tips. And since you probably had to cut the system to get it this far… you’ll probably end up too short somewhere and will need that extension anyways.

D) Definitely swap the tail pipe ends around and you’ll see that they’ll fit better.

E) The kit should be installed with the full weight of the car on the rear axle. When the axle is compressed, the driveshaft is well out of the way. I have a good 4-5 inches between it and my dual pipes.

Final Comment:

The entire failure of this system, in my opinion is the poor location of those dang hangers. Just relocate them CAREFULLY and it will fit better, unfortunately they are the only set point in the whole kit. You move them and prepare for a long days (or days) of test fitting everything else to them.

HOWEVER… Damn this thing sounds GREAT!!!! I bought the street pros because I got a powerglide and I’m always going to be at high RPMs. I want it quieter while driving… not ear splitting ALL the time except when stopped at a light.

The system is nice. The mufflers sound killer. The price is right. All you have to supply is a cutting device, MAYBE a mig ($30 rental at Home Depot), a socket set, a tape measure, a sharpie, AND TONS OF PATIENCE AND TIME. Take your time… don’t rush it or you may just cut off too much... and at that point... well... you know.

Good luck



Very nice explanation Dario. :thumbsup:

I'm not convinced they will fit a 100% stock vehicle! I also noticed on my box that this kit will fit a 70-81 camaro\firebird!!!! (Bolt in exhaust kit for a 67-81 camaro??????) :sad::sad::sad:
I got the exact same response from there,,,, uh.... support?

I should have ran when I ordered my system from them over the phone the first time and when I hadn't received it after a couple of weeks I got a "oh, we forgot to send it out" response!!!!!! (Here's your sign!) :sad:

Yeah, some pictures would be great.

I was hoping to do this exhaust system myself and save a few bucks ... but I suppose that isn't going to happen. In order to get it to a shop, I guess I'll hack up the old system and use that, at least mufflers forward.



Yea, I HAD that same plan but had to trailer mine to the exhaust shop for the necessary modifications that were needed to fit properly.

Good luck.

Thanks everyone for the info.

I first thought this would be a do it yourself kit, but now I realize if I want it to look 100% perfect there's no way. When I see the Pypes guys next year at Carlisle, I plan on letting them know I was not happy that so many major modifications had to be made to their system which, according to their instructions, "requires some simple hand tools".

The old exhaust is going back on and the car is going to a professional. What's a few more dollars at this point ... right?

Oh man... I didn't mean to discourage you. I've never done this kind of thing before in my life. I've never touched exhaust systems... never gave them much thought. I've never got this in depth with a car EVER! there is a first time for everything though. Like I said, the only special tool you'll need is some kind of cutoff wheel to cut the pipes to length... everything else is common. All you really need to do is try, give yourself a good amount of time to do it and not rush, and have patience.

Either way... good luck

Definitely swap the tail pipe ends around and you’ll see that they’ll fit better.



SUCCESS! When Dario made the above quote, I figured I'd give it a try, and guess what? Much better (Thanks Dario). Anyway, when I first put the two piece tail pipes together, the piece that comes off the muffler is TGF60FR (which I assumed meant FRONT RIGHT). I mated that to TGF60RR (which I assumed meant REAR RIGHT). No, I was wrong (you know what happens when you assume). The piece that mates to TGF60FR should be TGF60RL. Now why didn't Pypes just put that in the instructions? It would have saved me hours of frustration. Check out the pics, it still seems about an inch short, but I can live with that.

Now if I can just get the right collector reducer from Pypes, maybe I can finish this exhaust system myself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/djbartu/1101080917-01sm.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/djbartu/1101080917-02sm.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/djbartu/1029080811-01.jpg

Guess I better save this post so when my kit arrives I'll remember that to get it all to fit right it needs to be assembled wrong... WTF..

And the story continues... more problems.

Well, with the tailpipe issues solved, yesterday I tried to mock up the whole system again, and found issues with the exhaust dumps.

It seems that the angle on the cutouts is off. When I set it up with the regular front pipes (legs) everything is OK. But when I substitute the cutouts, they angle in too much. Look at the photograph below to see what I mean. I realize that there need to be extensions to make the pipes fit properly, but that wouldn't change the angle. I've also included a schematic explaining what I am trying to say.

Am I doing something wrong, or could there be incorrect weld angles or incorrect parts?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/djbartu/1102082123-00sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/djbartu/11-03-2008-105157AM.jpg