I've had a 69 Z28 short block for over 25 years and can account for the engine being out of it's original car for at least 30 years. Now after some research I have found the car/owner. I will be contacting the car owner soon but felt it prudent or wise to review what might be a fair value for the both the car owner and myself. I'm not interested in gouging anyone, and look forward to re-uniting the car with it's born with engine. Knowing the significance of having the original engine, what do you think would be a fair value for both the buyer and seller?
Thanks in advance,
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If it was my car I think I would pay $8K for just the block or $12K for a ready to drop in carb to pan motor. I think that is what the value of the car would increase with the matching motor.

...well since you lose about...33% of its value..WITHOUT THE MOTOR...Take that as a base line..Just an idea..??

...well since you lose about...33% of its value..WITHOUT THE MOTOR...Take that as a base line..Just an idea..??

Good point Tommy! What I do not know is the condition of the car or if it has been modified over the years. Would'nt it be sad to find out the rascal was tubbed and a pro-street car :sad:... Time will tell :thumbsup:
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best deal you could do is BUY THE CAR from him, if it's in any kind of decent shape? what is your relationship to the guy? have you met with him yet? I'd probe that posibility, you may be surprised.

best deal you could do is BUY THE CAR from him, if it's in any kind of decent shape? what is your relationship to the guy? have you met with him yet? I'd probe that posibility, you may be surprised.

Actually thought of that ("buy the car) or at least as you stated probe the possibility. Presently do not know the guy but will be attempting contact by this weekend. Either way, would love to see this engine get back to it's roots.

I hope your going to be looking for me....lol.

Chick, is he the 2nd, 3rd, 4th owner? do you know? how did you find him? Personally, I'd drive his place and see if you can get an idea about the car (if you know his address?) he may very well be ready to get rid of it. Of course, he dosn't need to know you have the original motor if that's the direction you want to go. how great would that be if the car has been restored and sitting on the front yard with a FOR SALE sign? (along with a camper, dirt bike, and sea-doo)

Chick, is he the 2nd, 3rd, 4th owner? do you know? how did you find him? Personally, I'd drive his place and see if you can get an idea about the car (if you know his address?) he may very well be ready to get rid of it. Of course, he dosn't need to know you have the original motor if that's the direction you want to go. how great would that be if the car has been restored and sitting on the front yard with a FOR SALE sign? (along with a camper, dirt bike, and sea-doo)

Don't have a clue Mark as to what owner order he is. Just looked him up in the white pages and he has a listed number and he is not quite a baby boomer but has some years of maturity. How'd I find him? Well, I used the partial vin suffix on the engine pad which is a virgin stamped pad verifed by Jerry M to complete some checks. Took the stamped suffix and added the 12437 and did a state search and bingo that verifed the car was titled and tagged in our state so I knew it existed. Then by going back to past owners, of the car I purchased 25 plus years ago that had the DZ engine in it was able to obtain enough information. I almost gave up a couple of times! I had listed the engine on the camaro research group and kept coming up with blanks. Now things are starting to gel. I do know this also, the car was titled in our state in early spring of 69. Engine was built late Dec.68.... Almost gave up since I thought or assumed the engine came out of a wrecked Z28 30 plus years ago which I know happened a lot.
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based on the state and date you give it would be a x coded car so he knows it is a z. But if the motor adds X amount of dollars to the cars value I don't think it makes the motor worth that same amount. Somewhere between what its worth to anybody else and what it makes the car worth. Otherwise its not a good deal for him.

For the Original Engine for the Black RS/Z Survivor we would pay whatever the guy wanted... but it is a special case.
If the car is an unrestored survivor adding the enigne will add a signifcant value above the cost of the engine!

any chance he is a member here? did you check with Al?

Chic- you own 2 'Vettes and 2 Camaros... we need to get you thinking about being the owner of this car. wouldn't that be the gem? At least, a great story to tell. Does anyone remember the guy here about 2 years ago that had the 302 motor and had been searching for years for the original car it came with? he wouldn't sell it to anyone but the original owner. Me and probably a few others asked him about selling it to us but he was hell-bent on finding the real car.

3,500 to 5K for the shortblock would be very fair I think.. or put the block on epay without the full VIN . Be strong in your language you have a real DZ block with verified stamp and see what it brings so you can get an idea in the open market. Then go from there

Chic- you own 2 'Vettes and 2 Camaros... we need to get you thinking about being the owner of this car. wouldn't that be the gem? At least, a great story to tell. Does anyone remember the guy here about 2 years ago that had the 302 motor and had been searching for years for the original car it came with? he wouldn't sell it to anyone but the original owner. Me and probably a few others asked him about selling it to us but he was hell-bent on finding the real car.

Ok, big time update here:D
I talked to the gentlemen that owns the car this early evening. Wow! I did not try to buy the car or play any games as I only asked if he had a 69 camaro and if it was a Z28 of which both questions were answered with yes. As it turned out he stated he is asked about the car for sale all the time and the answer is always "NO". Bought the car in 1981 with a 350 motor in it. Now the good news for him, the car was a late 1968 built car and does not have the X coding and some people always question if it was a real Z or not. I told him they will not question it now as even Jerry MacNeish stated the pad is virgin. His car sounds great as it is hugger orange w/white stripes, houndstooth interior, rosewood wheel, etc. And the car has the original paint. Again, I want to be fair to both of us but this type of car with the original motor would be sweet and raises the value quite a bit I believe. What a story...... Next step, come up with a price???????
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any chance he is a member here? did you check with Al?

I asked him if he uses the Camaro.net and the answer was no. I told him that I had placed the pad info and shortblock on the CRG website attempting to find the owner along with on this site.

based on the state and date you give it would be a x coded car so he knows it is a z. But if the motor adds X amount of dollars to the cars value I don't think it makes the motor worth that same amount. Somewhere between what its worth to anybody else and what it makes the car worth. Otherwise its not a good deal for him.

The car is pre X code.
Here is the post I made some time ago with the pad.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127756

The car is pre X code.
Here is the post I made some time ago with the pad.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=127756

You stated the engine built late Dec. Car should have X code if Norwood.

For the Original Engine for the Black RS/Z Survivor we would pay whatever the guy wanted... but it is a special case.
If the car is an unrestored survivor adding the enigne will add a signifcant value above the cost of the engine!

And it is a survivor with original hugger orange paint and interior with 23,000 miles. Told me the car is all original except for the motor and the car was drag raced for awhile (maybe that is why the engine was taken out???) Can't wait to see it and really looking forward to have this engine reunited. Never thought I'd be involved with a story like this.

Wow Chick, That is to cool! Congratulations and job well done!! The owner of the car has to super excited!! A car like that and only missing the motor, what a story for the books. I bet he becomes a TC member now.

You stated the engine built late Dec. Car should have X code if Norwood.

Engine pad 19N556974 which some members told me was pre Xcodes. I might be off on the engine build date as I was going by memory but it is Dec68. Present car owner told me as previously mentioned no X code on cowl tag.

Thats cool. My favorite color too. Would love to see some pics

19N556974 is 12A and should be a non X code tag.

Chick- wow! that's gotta be a dream for that guy. Personally, I was hoping you could get the car but that's awsome to get the car with the motor. Good work. I just paid through the nose for a rebuild, I would easily pay double (ok, triple) for the original. Especially if it were a 302.

Congrats! That's pretty cool that it was still in the same state and you found it.

Depends on how complete the motor is. Look on some of the completed ebay auctions. But I think ChevyThunder is pretty close with his #'s. :)

You stated the engine built late Dec. Car should have X code if Norwood.

Keith, need to clarify and appologize as the engine was not built in Dec as I earlier stated but in Nov. Dang memory! My 68 Z28 engine was built in late Dec.. Anyway, I checked the date code on the engine and it is Nov. 14.(V1I14DZ).
And if this goes through I want and will deliver the engine as I want to obtain pics of the cowl tag, car, etc. Now I just have to finalize a price (think I'm there) and see if we can agree. Between us, if the tables were turned around I'd jump at it and I mean fast.
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I paid 5K for my matching block with 1178 crank and pistions. I think was some what fair but if it wasn't for my car $1500 would have been its value.

Keith, need to clarify and appologize as the engine was not built in Dec as I earlier stated but in Nov. Dang memory! My 68 Z28 engine was built in late Dec.. Anyway, I checked the date code on the engine and it is Nov. 14.(V1I14DZ).
And if this goes through I want and will deliver the engine as I want to obtain pics of the cowl tag, car, etc. Now I just have to finalize a price (think I'm there) and see if we can agree. Between us, if the tables were turned around I'd jump at it and I mean fast.
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I do the same thing. The problem with having more than one project at a time. I hope you didn't panic before you double checked.

Keith, think he can afford to pay what it's worth; just by your initial meeting? Sorry... I'm still trying to get you to buy the car.

Give him a HIGH value for your engine.. and make him a VERY GOOD offer for his car.. . *G*

I paid 5K for my matching block with 1178 crank and pistions. I think was some what fair but if it wasn't for my car $1500 would have been its value.

With all due respect I think you are low on your figure and I think there is plenty of sales of blocks , pistons and cranks that support a higher value.

Man , could you imagine getting a call from someone and they have your motor for your car. That is incredible. Big time ups to you for making the effort .

I think Al should come up with a complimentary Platinum membership for those who go the extra mile in hobby .

with all the b.s. now, with people passing EVERY car off as "matching numbers", this is refreshing to say the least. Chic, you say it's original tranny and rear end? if it was a race car at one time that would be unusual wouldn't it?

19N556974 is 12A and should be a non X code tag.

Just like mine, his car is some 2585 behind my non X tag. .

....Would'nt it be sad to find out the rascal was tubbed and a pro-street car :sad:... :beers:

........why should that matter.....as long as the current owner is happy with the way the Camaro currently looks,I like the fact that I never have to argue with anybody that my car is or isn't a Z/28 or even the dreaded "Z/28 Clone"..........feel free to pick apart my Pro Street "NON Z/28". I really don't care:noway:.
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I paid 5K for my matching block with 1178 crank and pistions. I think was some what fair but if it wasn't for my car $1500 would have been its value.

I think it is worth more than 5K. The way I look at it, you should be rewarded for your effort of tracking down the car. Also take into account how much value this ads to the car for the owner.

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At least you're not running Z28 emblems. *G* might be one of the few camaros so doing.. or is it 'not doing'?

........why should that matter.....as long as the current owner is happy with the way the Camaro currently looks,I like the fact that I never have to argue with anybody that my car is or isn't a Z/28 or even the dreaded "Z/28 Clone"..........feel free to pick apart my Pro Street "NON Z/28". I really don't care:noway:.
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Don't know why anyone would want to pic that car apart it looks.. as the kids say these days ... SICK !! Meaning bad a$$ for myself and the rest of the aged.

I think the point was that if making a car numbers matching again it would be nice if the car was still as it left the factory. Not that there is anything at all wrong with a tubbed wicked looking first gen. Personally I would love to have one.

Don't know why anyone would want to pic that car apart it looks.. as the kids say these days ... SICK !! Meaning bad a$$ for myself and the rest of the aged.

I think the point was that if making a car numbers matching again it would be nice if the car was still as it left the factory. Not that there is anything at all wrong with a tubbed wicked looking first gen. Personally I would love to have one.

I agree that the car is sick, I mean bad a$$. :thumbsup:Can I drive it :D
But ChevyThunder made the point of what I was intending. I was afraid if the car did not have the orig. engine someone might have decided to do other things with it whereas an orig. car with born with engine probably would not do those type of changes to an orig. car.

with all the b.s. now, with people passing EVERY car off as "matching numbers", this is refreshing to say the least. Chic, you say it's original tranny and rear end? if it was a race car at one time that would be unusual wouldn't it?

Mark, good questions! The person told me the car was "all original" except for not having the engine. Now sometimes as we all know people do not check stampings on the trans. I do not know for sure nor did I ask him directly about the transmission and rear end. But as I communicated and many of you have stated the engine authenticates it is a Z28 and it will have its born with engine.

More updates: Yesterday I had lunch with the person who put that Z28 engine in the 67 Corvette back in 1978. Listen to this, another person who I now know the name of purchased the engine and put it in a 69 Corvette and sold it. The guy that bought the 69 Corvette wrecks it :( Now the engine get's sold back to the guy I had lunch with and he installs it in the 67 where it remains to this day as I have not physically taken it out yet. Mailed the owner of the 69Z28 two close digital pics of the pad showing assy date and vin. He did not ask for this but wanted him to see this is no hoax, it is real. More to come- :beers:

...as others have said, ...kudos to you for going the extra mile to reunite the engine with the car. Moreso too that whateve you get for it, ...it doesn't appear you're out to 'rake the guy over the coals'. :beers:

I guess I'll just say what I'm thinking: this guy should pay through the nose and enjoy doing it. Come on, you're turning his car into a matching numbers Z-28. His car, as it sits now, is like 50,000 non-matching Z-28s. When he buys that motor, he now gets in that, maybe 2 or 3 thousand club??? QUESTION: HOW MANY TRUE MATCHING Z'S ARE OUT THERE?? Even if it's not matching rear-end and tranny, matching motor is the gem. It's obvious Chic is nicer than I am. (I guess 12 years of negotiation with lawyers and insurance companies has made me harsh.)

...as others have said, ...kudos to you for going the extra mile to reunite the engine with the car. Moreso too that whateve you get for it, ...it doesn't appear you're out to 'rake the guy over the coals'. :beers:

Thanks Kevin, appreciate the nice comments. And thanks to everyone else for the assistance, kind words, and support.

Now for some other good news. I will be doing another posting concerning this but the same evening I contacted the owner of the 69Z28 I also located the family that owned the 68Z28 we own back in 1972. Was unable to reach the person directly (talked to his son and wife) but just minutes ago I completed a long conversation with him. And he bought the car new :hurray: I now know where the car was purchased and he is going to send me some old pic's including when they brought their son home from the hospital when he was born. Yep, the other day was one of my more memorable moments concering cars I have and enjoy.

Don't know why anyone would want to pic that car apart it looks.. as the kids say these days ... SICK !! Meaning bad a$$ for myself and the rest of the aged.

I think the point was that if making a car numbers matching again it would be nice if the car was still as it left the factory. Not that there is anything at all wrong with a tubbed wicked looking first gen. Personally I would love to have one.



I agree that the car is sick, I mean bad a$$. :thumbsup:Can I drive it :D
But ChevyThunder made the point of what I was intending. I was afraid if the car did not have the orig. engine someone might have decided to do other things with it whereas an orig. car with born with engine probably would not do those type of changes to an orig. car.

........understood:yes:. What bugs me is when I get comments like "He ruined that Camaro when he Pro Streeted it" or " he chopped up a perfectly good Camaro". My philosophy(sp) is "if it's a 1st Gen. Camaro, it rocks, no matter if it's Pro Street, Pro Tour, Vintage Road Racer, or bone stock. I would like to one day own another 1st Gen. Camaro,maybe a '68 in stock to resto-mod condition:yes:. I apologize if my comments caused this thread to stray off course.

Thanks Kevin, appreciate the nice comments. And thanks to everyone else for the assistance, kind words, and support.

Now for some other good news. I will be doing another posting concerning this but the same evening I contacted the owner of the 69Z28 I also located the family that owned the 68Z28 we own back in 1972. Was unable to reach the person directly (talked to his son and wife) but just minutes ago I completed a long conversation with him. And he bought the car new :hurray: I now know where the car was purchased and he is going to send me some old pic's including when they brought their son home from the hospital when he was born. Yep, the other day was one of my more memorable moments concering cars I have and enjoy.

Keep us informed on what happens!!!!!!!!!

Amazing story! Thanks for sharing!

Chick, you may want to let him make an offer on the engine before exposing what you want for it. He may be more generous than you think to get it back.....:yes:

The original engine will add significant value (20 k or more) to the car.
At least by the way the car is described.

Chick, you may want to let him make an offer on the engine before exposing what you want for it. He may be more generous than you think to get it back.....:yes:
Good point!

The original engine will add significant value (20 k or more) to the car.
At least by the way the car is described.
Many of you know keep up with the market more than I but the way he described the car owning it since 1981 with original paint, etc., I would tend to believe it would enhance his non X coded car by 30K. Note one of the main reasons being it is a non X coded car.
So what does everyone think? If this was in fact an excellent car with 23,000 miles how much would the orig. motor add to the value of a non X coded car. This might be interesting to review.

5k would be nice even 7,500.. but if it were me I would pay 10k , anything over that would certainly be seriously opportunistic I believe . But your point is well taken . The motor legitimizes his car as a real Z/28 .

I was lucky ... I got my original motor for one of my cars for 2500 . I would have paid 10K and would have been happy at 5k

5k would be nice even 7,500.. but if it were me I would pay 10k , anything over that would certainly be seriously opportunistic I believe . But your point is well taken . The motor legitimizes his car as a real Z/28 .



I agree with Van.The other thing to consider is the added value to his car only matters if he is going to sell it.He's had it for 27 years sounds like a keeper to me.

I would have to agree! To an unmodified pre x code "claimed" z28 with original paint the original motor would go a long way to removing any doubt of the cars authenticity. For this reason alone 10k is even cheap. What is the diffrence in price from a good z28 clone to a genuine matching number z28 ? A lot more than 10k! Its a shame you cant buy the car for yourself, with the dedication you have shown in tracking down the car you deserve it ! good luck!

Its a shame you cant buy the car for yourself, with the dedication you have shown in tracking down the car you deserve it ! good luck!

The current owner has had the car for 27 years and if it is original paint and nice like it is said to be he has taken very good care of it.No offense to the original poster but what about owning the original shortblock and tracking down the car makes you feel he deserves it?

Good point!


Many of you know keep up with the market more than I but the way he described the car owning it since 1981 with original paint, etc., I would tend to believe it would enhance his non X coded car by 30K. Note one of the main reasons being it is a non X coded car.
So what does everyone think? If this was in fact an excellent car with 23,000 miles how much would the orig. motor add to the value of a non X coded car. This might be interesting to review.

This seems to have gone from reuniting the engine and car to how much can I stick the guy for.JMO As I stated before unless the guy wants to sell the car the increase in value is irrelevant.At this point the info to prove his car is a Z28 is on the net.Get to greedy and he may tell you to go jump in a lake.

5k would be nice even 7,500.. but if it were me I would pay 10k , anything over that would certainly be seriously opportunistic I believe . But your point is well taken . The motor legitimizes his car as a real Z/28 .

I was lucky ... I got my original motor for one of my cars for 2500 . I would have paid 10K and would have been happy at 5k

He doesn't need the motor to legitimize hes car as a Z. This thread now does that. I think 10k is plenty. JMO

This discussion has come up before.

I would say throw out a fair number, or even a high one if you like, and see if he takes it. If he's willing to pay a premium, that's perfectly fine. If he's not willing to go high, I wouldn't hold it hostage in attempt to gouge the guy. From there, I would negotiate.

But look at the options. Sell it to a guy with a random car at market value, or sell it to the guy with the original car for market value?

Selling prices between the two being equal, wouldn't you rather see it go back into the original car?

He doesn't need the motor to legitimize hes car as a Z. This thread now does that. I think 10k is plenty. JMO


As a guy who loves 1969 Z/28's and owns a bunch of them I respectfully disagree. This thread does not legitimize the car to the extent of having an original motor sitting in the engine bay does.Not even close. Engine owner has already stated that many people who see the car question whether or not it is a real Z . Non X code car without original engine or transmission or documentation, no the engine in the bay makes it a reality .

I do agree that 10k for the motor is plenty .

This seems to have gone from reuniting the engine and car to how much can I stick the guy for.JMO As I stated before unless the guy wants to sell the car the increase in value is irrelevant.At this point the info to prove his car is a Z28 is on the net.Get to greedy and he may tell you to go jump in a lake.

67 Plum, with due respect, can we keep this positive as I'm not trying to stick someone. My opinion was the car will be enhanced a significant amount and offered an opinion while asking what do others think the car's value will increase. I agree he has had the car a long time but length of time owning does not mean or translate to not wanting the born with engine. The tactfullness is working to have an negotiable win/win situation for both parties. I have that goal along with getting the engine back where it belongs. :beers:

I feel If you are thinking about anything over 5k you are robbing the guy. The trouble with this hobby is that it is full of thieves and robbers. Sell it to him at a fair price move on and feel good about it.

I agree with green Z. It is not always about the money. I would be very offended if you offered me the block for 10 k. Its blatent greed. Offer him a fair price and feel good about reuniting the car with the original block. Do it because its a nice thing to do.

[quote]=green z;1100776].......I feel If you are thinking about anything over 5k you are robbing the guy. [quote]


..............don't think he's tryin to rob anybody, I think he's asking for opinions on a fair price for both parties involved and he really wants to see the engine reunited with the Camaro. I personally don't believe greed is a factor here from what I've read in this thread.

no advice from me, from reading your posts in this thread (and the 68z thread) you sound like you have a consions. you will do the right thing. good luck.

67 Plum, with due respect, can we keep this positive as I'm not trying to stick someone. My opinion was the car will be enhanced a significant amount and offered an opinion while asking what do others think the car's value will increase. I agree he has had the car a long time but length of time owning does not mean or translate to not wanting the born with engine. The tactfullness is working to have an negotiable win/win situation for both parties. I have that goal along with getting the engine back where it belongs. :beers:'
The bottom line on 'price' is this: lowest value which might generate a sale is the VALUE of the engine to YOU (as the seller)... Highest value might be a portion of the increase in the value of the car if he purchased it. Note: I'm unsure of exactly what you have, just a block? or short block? or complete original engine with all parts? which I doubt give that the engine has been in a Corvette and another car, at the least... so what have you got? and what is it's condition? Does it need rebuilding? etc. Yes, having the original VIN number has *value* to him, but only HE can determine that value; he has a very nice Camaro regardless, which he likely enjoys just as much now as he would with the original engine it in.

Go and talk to him; show him what you have... tell him your thoughts.. and maybe you can work something out. One alterantive is not to try to get rich on the man, but give him a deal *(more than the value to you or to someone else) but not trying to realize the full appreciation of his car with your engine ON the sale of the engine block~! Ask him to let you have first shot if he ever decides to sell the car.. *S* That's just my opinion....

Chick ,

You said in your first post that this is a "short block" . I know what that means to me but can you tell us exactly what is included . And has the block ever been touched ? Do you know if it is standard bore ? Lets take a look at exactly what is included .

Whatever number you come up with maybe a first right of refusal agreement should be made should he ever want to sell the car ?

If the guy wants the DZ short thats in the '67 I would have him supply/ pay for a correct short for your clone.

Good point!


Many of you know keep up with the market more than I but the way he described the car owning it since 1981 with original paint, etc., I would tend to believe it would enhance his non X coded car by 30K. Note one of the main reasons being it is a non X coded car.
So what does everyone think? If this was in fact an excellent car with 23,000 miles how much would the orig. motor add to the value of a non X coded car. This might be interesting to review.

I have spoken to Chick and I misunderstood what he was trying to say here.He was asking what the value increase for the car would be.And not saying the engine was worth more because of the value increase.I appologize for any confusion I may have started.The engine and car will come back together at a fair deal between both parties.

Chick ,

You said in your first post that this is a "short block" . I know what that means to me but can you tell us exactly what is included . And has the block ever been touched ? Do you know if it is standard bore ? Lets take a look at exactly what is included .

Whatever number you come up with maybe a first right of refusal agreement should be made should he ever want to sell the car ?

ChevyThunder, it is a shortblock. Short story: Bought a 67 corvette back in 1983 and the DZ block was in the car when purchased. It's still in the corvette as I type. Twelve years ago I did some research and came up empty. I have at least three people that call me and ask to buy that DZ shortblock everytime they see me. I kept telling them when I know the car to my best knowledge does not exist I'll sell it. Until then, sorry! Recently found out from going back two previous owners the DZ shortblock was put in our 1983 purchased 67 corvette back in 1978. Also have a name trail that I will supply to the hopefully new owner of this shortblock. I might have put 2000 miles on that motor/corvette since 83. Do not know why it was taken out of the 69Z:sad: The heads on the car are 1970 date coded LT1 so do not know what happened to the originals. I have started to dismantle the engine compartment in preparation to remove the engine, i.e. exhaust manifolds, alternator, and the like. The current LT1 heads and/or oil pan have never been off that shortblock since my purchase in 1983.
I also want to thank everyone for their input as it is appreciated. I will keep everyone posted and hopefully have some pics of the reunion in the future.
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........Short story: Bought a 67 corvette back in 1983 and the DZ block was in the car when purchased. It's still in the corvette as I type. :beers:

.........the only thing that would make this story any better would be to find the original engine for your Corvette.Keep us posted with your quest to reunite the engine with the Camaro.

lol, hey Chick, I got a 327 that came out of my 68 project car. I think it came from a Corvette.. maybe it's yours. (come get it, it's gathering dust.)

.........the only thing that would make this story any better would be to find the original engine for your Corvette.
Been there or tried that a loooooog time ago. The corvette was originally a 327/300hp and the engine was sold to a guy (could not find a name) and moved out of state. Dead end trail!
So, gotta 67 dated 427 to stick in :thumbsup:

lol, hey Chick, I got a 327 that came out of my 68 project car. I think it came from a Corvette.. maybe it's yours. (come get it, it's gathering dust.)
Now where have I heard that before :noway: Good try Mark :D
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So, gotta 67 dated 427 to stick in :thumbsup:


As cool as it would be to have the original engine a 427 is WAY better.

The corvette was originally a 327/300hp and the engine was sold to a guy (could not find a name) and moved out of state. Dead end trail!
So, gotta 67 dated 427 to stick in :thumbsup:

327............427 Who's gonna notice a little change like 1 digit..........:D Let the Rat kick a$$...........:thumbsup:

If the DZ is a good runner in your car now, tell him if he buys you a new ZZ4 to replace it he can have it.

I agree with green Z. It is not always about the money. I would be very offended if you offered me the block for 10 k. Its blatent greed. Offer him a fair price and feel good about reuniting the car with the original block. Do it because its a nice thing to do.

Pay it forward

Thanks Kevin, appreciate the nice comments. And thanks to everyone else for the assistance, kind words, and support.

Now for some other good news. I will be doing another posting concerning this but the same evening I contacted the owner of the 69Z28 I also located the family that owned the 68Z28 we own back in 1972. Was unable to reach the person directly (talked to his son and wife) but just minutes ago I completed a long conversation with him. And he bought the car new :hurray: I now know where the car was purchased and he is going to send me some old pic's including when they brought their son home from the hospital when he was born. Yep, the other day was one of my more memorable moments concering cars I have and enjoy.


Karma Rocks...

Amazing story. Its always nice to get the car reunited with the original engine.

Chick can you do your research wizardry and find the owner of this DZ short block I've had posted?

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=22681&cat=44

Thanks Mike

:beers:

you can open any magazine and see dozens of crate motors for $5000. We're talking about the original 302 motor going back into an otherwise matching numbers Z-28. that Z will now be DOCUMENTED matching numbers car. I find it hard to believe some guys think $5,000 is "robbing the guy".

Amazing story. Its always nice to get the car reunited with the original engine.

Chick can you do your research wizardry and find the owner of this DZ short block I've had posted?

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=22681&cat=44

Thanks Mike

:beers:


Mike, seems like you did some nice work but are at a stand-still but the good news has to be the car exists so there is a chance. Ummm, I'd line up with some car shows in that county and hit the trail by giving out info (copy of camaro.net info posted) to every camaro person I could find at a show. And not just one show. Place ad in AutoLocator or other publications. The easiest would be a police friend but a risk with privacy laws. Brain storm a list of "things to do" for the upcoming new year and go for it.
Good luck friend.......

Hello everyone! Talked to the 69Z28 owner Saturday and here is the plan I suggested which he agreed to. He will be coming here at my request to see the shortblock still in the 67 vette, kinda like a verification process. He purchases it and I proceed to take it out and deliver so I can take pics of the motor being delivered. Interesting side note- As we know the car was built 12A and does not have X code but noticed a 12A built SS car on ebay with X code.
And of course those pics of the future homecoming will be posted.:hurray:

Now a days you cant even get someone to hold open a door for you let alone devoting yourself to finding the owner of the original car that the block you have belongs to.

Mike, seems like you did some nice work but are at a stand-still but the good news has to be the car exists so there is a chance. Ummm, I'd line up with some car shows in that county and hit the trail by giving out info (copy of camaro.net info posted) to every camaro person I could find at a show. And not just one show. Place ad in AutoLocator or other publications. The easiest would be a police friend but a risk with privacy laws. Brain storm a list of "things to do" for the upcoming new year and go for it.
Good luck friend.......


Thanks for the info Chick. Great job with your deal.

Mike

Hi folks, I know I'm not supposed to clutter up the forums with questions like does anyone know where my original engine is, but I can't help that Chic's saga here gives me a glimmer of hope. I've got a early non x-code Z in S.E. Pa as well. Bought from a family member who owned in since the early 80's. About 8 or so years ago, he sold/traded what he says was the original engine to Denny's Camaro's in PA. I contacted them, Denny said he remembered the deal and he had the engine less than a week before someone came in, saw what it was and bought it. He has no idea who or where the person is now. So I ask does anyone no somebody who aquired a DZ from Denny's in that time frame? Thanks for the time.

Outstanding thread, can't wait to hear and see the end results.

Hi folks, I know I'm not supposed to clutter up the forums with questions like does anyone know where my original engine is, but I can't help that Chic's saga here gives me a glimmer of hope. I've got a early non x-code Z in S.E. Pa as well. Bought from a family member who owned in since the early 80's. About 8 or so years ago, he sold/traded what he says was the original engine to Denny's Camaro's in PA. I contacted them, Denny said he remembered the deal and he had the engine less than a week before someone came in, saw what it was and bought it. He has no idea who or where the person is now. So I ask does anyone no somebody who aquired a DZ from Denny's in that time frame? Thanks for the time.
Chad, I've known Denny for 25-30 years and he was always a great guy:thumbsup: You might want to ask him to help you with two things. First, ask if he would agree to let you post some type of sign/poster at his store looking for the engine that was purchased at Denny's (approximate time of DZ engine sale), and second, ask if you could attach an ad for location of the engine to his ad which he runs in the AutoLocator each week. Cost to add would be your cost but just maybe the person who bought the engine lives in the SE part of PA and might look at his ad's. And maybe someone who know's he bought the engine there might see it as well. Whatever, I would place an ad in the AutoLocator looking for the engine. Knowing where it was sold from and time frame can be huge in assistance. How close are you to York?
Outstanding thread, can't wait to hear and see the end results.
Chuck, thanks and should have an update on Wed. as he is coming to look at the engine that morning or that is the current plan.

I might just see if Denny will let me do something like that, it can't hurt anyhow. I'm only about 45mins. from York, right next to Oxford. I'm not too far from ya.

Great story on this DZ reunion, I have the same problem. I went to look at a rusted out 69 convertible and ended up buying a DZ short block (std bore) from the guy, which had under 12k miles. His dads friend used there garage to swap a 327 Fuelie in the Z/28 in 1971 and left the DZ there for using the garage. It is a early LOS stamped vin on the deck surface (so same deal, helps with proving its a Z). So I did a vin search and yes I found owner, I have not told him I have the motor because the first thing I ask was the car for sale and he said "maybe". So that was the magic word. If he said no it's not for sale, I was ready to sell him his motor, and I was hoping I was going to be fair at $5,000.00 , which I had paid $2,500.00 for it this spring. I'm still waiting him out, I left him my phone# when he comes up with a dollor amount. He told me all about the car it's Cortez silver with 713 houndstooth, he know is a Z but he said he can't prove it because the original engine is missing, at this point I was bitting my lip! I need to call him again to nail down a $ , but back to your deal I think $5000.00 would be real fair for both of you. I was thinking 5K maybe a little high a first on my deal, if I decide to sell it to him, but after reading all this it sound fair. Good Luck this is fun stuff !!!

So I did a vin search and yes I found owner, I have not told him I have the motor because the first thing I ask was the car for sale and he said "maybe". So that was the magic word. If he said no it's not for sale, I was ready to sell him his motor, and I was hoping I was going to be fair at $5,000.00 , which I had paid $2,500.00 for it this spring. I'm still waiting him out, I left him my phone# when he comes up with a dollor amount.

Holy mackerel!! Two reunions in one thread!!! :thumbsup:

Great story on this DZ reunion, I have the same problem. I went to look at a rusted out 69 convertible and ended up buying a DZ short block (std bore) from the guy, which had under 12k miles. His dads friend used there garage to swap a 327 Fuelie in the Z/28 in 1971 and left the DZ there for using the garage. It is a early LOS stamped vin on the deck surface (so same deal, helps with proving its a Z). So I did a vin search and yes I found owner, I have not told him I have the motor because the first thing I ask was the car for sale and he said "maybe". So that was the magic word. If he said no it's not for sale, I was ready to sell him his motor, and I was hoping I was going to be fair at $5,000.00 , which I had paid $2,500.00 for it this spring. I'm still waiting him out, I left him my phone# when he comes up with a dollor amount. He told me all about the car it's Cortez silver with 713 houndstooth, he know is a Z but he said he can't prove it because the original engine is missing, at this point I was bitting my lip! I need to call him again to nail down a $ , but back to your deal I think $5000.00 would be real fair for both of you. I was thinking 5K maybe a little high a first on my deal, if I decide to sell it to him, but after reading all this it sound fair. Good Luck this is fun stuff !!!

Wow! This one is going to be interesting and man do I wish you luck on obtaining that Z28.
You for sure keep us posted please. With Christmas coming it is a good time to go see the car with cash in hand (as they say).
:beers:

Wow! This one is going to be interesting and man do I wish you luck on obtaining that Z28.
You for sure keep us posted please. With Christmas coming it is a good time to go see the car with cash in hand (as they say).
:beers:

chick is exactly correct! :) especially in this economy, and Christmas coming makes it a perfect time to 'show him some green'... much better than just 'hypothesizing' a purchase.. :)

Update on reunion :thumbsup:
Owner of 69Z28 was here and looked at his short-block still sitting in our 67 corvette. So now the plan is to start pulling the rascal out for it's reunion back where it belongs.
Happy thanksgiving to everyone......
:beers:
P.S. He now needs to find a set of heads and a DZ carb. Anyone have for his 12A built car?

Update on reunion :thumbsup:
Owner of 69Z28 was here and looked at his short-block still sitting in our 67 corvette. So now the plan is to start pulling the rascal out for it's reunion back where it belongs.
Happy thanksgiving to everyone......
:beers:
P.S. He now needs to find a set of heads and a DZ carb. Anyone have for his 12A built car?

That's awesome..........glad it worked out for the both of you:yes::thumbsup:!!!!!!!!!

Chic, did I miss something? have you guys agreed on a price? I'd settle on a price before I took the motor out.

...+1...Im a bit curious to know what was the price!!!

...+1...Im a bit curious to know what was the price!!!

Not to be disrespectful, but if I were in Chick's shoes I would keep that private. It will only invite more comments on "gouging" or "too cheap", etc. The new owner may prefer to keep it private too.:yes:

I agree Mitch, I was just curious if they agreed on a price before taking the motor out.

Not to be disrespectful, but if I were in Chick's shoes I would keep that private. It will only invite more comments on "gouging" or "too cheap", etc. The new owner may prefer to keep it private too.:yes:

Im sorry!!!
You are totally right!!!

I think you should post the price. No matter what the price is, if the buyer and seller are both happy, it was a good deal for everyone involved.

Chic, did I miss something? have you guys agreed on a price? I'd settle on a price before I took the motor out.
Sorry for not posting earlier but was off on Thanksgiving Holiday and no computer. Yes, I believe we have agreed on a price. And it is what I deem a very fair price that would delight the heck out of me if it was my car.
Not to be disrespectful, but if I were in Chick's shoes I would keep that private. It will only invite more comments on "gouging" or "too cheap", etc. The new owner may prefer to keep it private too.:yes: I agree on both points. Do not believe anyone would say it was gouging if they knew the price but.......

I think you should post the price. No matter what the price is, if the buyer and seller are both happy, it was a good deal for everyone involved. I'd be requesting or wanting to know also if the tables were reversed so I do understand but feel this is between the two parties at this time, especially since neither the transfer of motor or money have taken place.

Wanted to close the chapter that the 302 DZ short-block that was in our 67 Corvette since 1979 was recently reunited with the 69 z/28 car it was born with. The owner of the 69 Z/28 picked it up two weeks ago. I do not have an pictures of the car since he lives two plus hours away and he came to my house to pick it up. It took a little time to get it out of our Corvette but it is now where it belongs and still remarkable that after all these years I was lucky enough to find the car/owner. And the owner was smiling from ear to ear. Something like this :D Oh yea:yes:

you gotta love a happy ending!

It's an awsome story and it's great to hear you came to an agreement the owner of the car was happy with. I've been following this and biting my tongue when reading the posts by a couple of guys in particular who seem to think that bending the guy over is perfectly acceptable. That's the problem with this HOBBY. Those guys who are only in it for the money are quickly ruining it for the rest of us who do it because we love these old cars. In some ways I hope the market for these cars heads straight into the toilet so they'll go back to investing in something else other than old cars... In the past I've been accused by one of the moderators here of not particularly liking the members who are well off financially. Not true at all and I have many friends who could probably buy & sell those guys. What I do have a problem with is those guys who got where they are by screwing the other guy and are proud of it. They don't belong here and are total scumbags in my book. And if you're offended by my comments then it's probably YOU I'm referring to... It's refreshing to see that someone did the right thing. Hopefully the owner of the Z will sign up on here and post some updates, pics, etc.

great story .!! that would NEVER happen to me though.

I dont know whats the big deal about not disclosing the price... Geez its not like we all have a 67-69 short blocks sitting at our house and doing searching after searching to find the original car it belongs to.

awesome thread..my buddy has a original bore dz short block.he will sell it for the right amount so i guess i need to get the numbers off it and start looking for the original car..he bought a old cj jeep and low and behold it had a dz in it.,

awesome thread..my buddy has a original bore dz short block.he will sell it for the right amount so i guess i need to get the numbers off it and start looking for the original car..he bought a old cj jeep and low and behold it had a dz in it.,

Your comment made me chuckle as one person I know had a MO 302 in his jeep and another friend had a 327 with an old corvette fuel injection set up. Both of these jeeps go back in the late 60's. And by the way, when I pulled the heads off the DZ block (the heads were 70 dated Z/28 or LT1 heads) the top ridge was trivial and the bore was original.

Great ending. Sounds like both parties were happy with the outcome.

What a wonderful ending, it almost brings a tear to my eye!

What a wonderful ending, it almost brings a tear to my eye!

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