Looks pretty complete. 327 with turbo 350 on the column. If there's not a bunch of rust hiding under there and the 327 isn't kaput I'm guessing this is a little high but not far off?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/915353351.html

Nice #3 driver if not looking for numbers car.

What's a #3 driver?

I'm particularly concerned (from the pictures only) about the overspray on the hood hinges. That's a sign that somebody didn't pay enough attention to detail when painting. That is, if they didn't care enough to take those off/cover them, maybe they didn't care about something more sinister like painting over rust. Maybe I'm paranoid, but it didn't give me a warm fuzzy. I've seen enough rust bubbles in paint at some of the collector car dealers around. Incidentally, about how long would it take for something like that to start showing? Say, moderate surface rust. 3 months? 6 months?

Of course it's hard to speculate from pictures. I was more interested in if you guys thought my ballpark estimate of maybe $10-12,000 is about right as long as everything is as it appears upon closer inspection.

That things a mess, somebody slapped a paint job on a Camaro that BADLY needed to come apart and be restored correctly, and this is the end result of it. 10K in this market, and you'll be putting money into immediately, somewhere!!!!! IMHO!!!!!

Brad,
...I'd have to agree with your observation about the overspray.
As I was looking at the pics, ...the car looks pretty presentable, ...then engine compartment and overspray on the hinges as a red flag for me. Granted, I/we may be over-reacting to nothing, ...but it does usually say something (not good) about how the work was done, ...and you don't know what's under that paint.
I think $13,000 is too high, ...closer to $10,000 might be more reasonable (maybe lower), ...GIVEN there are no surprises. If indeed it's a west coast car, ...maybe there aren't rust issues.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but it didn't give me a warm fuzzy. I didn't want to rain on your parade if you had made the decision to buy it, I didn't want to point out several faults with the car.


I erased all my observations. If you would like them, PM me.
Car appears to have been butternut yellow. Like I said, nice #3 Driver - looks nice, needs minor repairs. Trim tag starting with 12337 would be an OE 6-cylinder car. 12437 would be V8.

If you are/were heavily into buying this car and wanting something to be a close numbers car and accessories match the year, no, this ain't it. I didn't want to burst your bubble.
This car would make a good daily driver and go to work car - a good 20 footer.

Is that "overspray" on the hinges or did the guy just think it would look better. brad, ask the guy if he has any reciepts on any body work done. That would give you some idea about the condition of the body pre-paint. If he did it himself, he should still have some proof of body work done. just the fact it was recently painted doesn't mean he's trying to pull something over on you. But, if it didn't give you a good feeling, I'd avoid it. I don't think I'd buy a car that was originally a 6 cyl. Just keep $10,000 CASH handy and keep looking. If you're the first to test drive a $15,000 car and show $10,000 cash to someone, you'll get the car. In this market, $10,000 will get you a heck of a car.

The lip is missing on the rear wheelwell, indicating it's made of bondo. The overspray isn't limited to the hood hinges, check out the gas tank and the a-arms. $13K is high for this car. Bring a magnet and lowered expectations.

However, if Everett's right and it was originally Butternut Yellow, that's a big plus!

Thanks for all the responses.

No I'm not anywhere close to in love with the car. It's just something that caught my eye. I've seen plenty of cars that look like that and once you get up close they have rust and bondo under a fancy looking paint job. There's a place in St Louis I used to go to occaisionally that I found rust bubbles and waves on almost every car.

I'm not looking for numbers matching, just something to drive around. Considering I'd have to drive 6 hours to go see it, I'll be making a phone call first and asking lots of questions. My hope would be that it's a southwest car with no rust, but kevin's bondo observation makes me even more suspicious (good catch). I had already pretty much convinced myself that 10k would be better spent elsewhere. I'll still call just to see. It's going to take something a little better than "meh" to get me to drive 6 hours to LA.

Just curious, Mark, why not an original 6 cylinder? If you're going to gut the drivetrain anyway, isn't it a better idea to mess with a stock 6 than something with a nice original package? And you'd have to shoot me first to get it painted Butternut Yellow :P

I do like the stripes on the roof. Looks neat/different.

Alrighty then, I'll add my comments:

As mentioned, poor detail, painted hood hinges & springs, the list goes on.....
Wrong shape of outside mirror for a '68, s/b rectanglar
Powerglide gear indicator - TH350 was not available in '68, only TH400 for BBC cars.
Old grille is painted
Rear qtrs wheel openings are bondo'd - no detail of body lines as in front fender.
No upper alternator bracket - how does the belt stay tight?
No air cleaner or was it removed for picture taking?
HEI distributor - not original, but good upgrade
Chrome water pump and timing cover - leaks waiting to happen if not already.
Original seat belts - not replaced, faded color, that's fine.
Pass window handle has been replaced at one time, its discolored clear.
Wrong radiator and fan shroud for the year, but looks to be a good upgrade of radiator attachment.

Looks like a pretty nice clean car to me. I don't like column shift but other than that it is nice. And if it can be bought for close to $10,000 would be a great starter car.

The one wheel well looks a little odd but it is hard to tell from the pics. The paint looks pretty good to me otherwise.

I would check it out.

Knowing that many people on this site spend years welding in all new metal and reviving cars from dust, a true California car, like mine, is a luxury.

The lip is missing on the rear wheelwell, indicating it's made of bondo.

Looks to me like Old School Fender Flares. Very common to do in the 70's. Not necessarily bondo.

I think it's a car that needs to be looked at in person. I don't care for column shifter or 6 cyl. VIN, but for 10K if it's rust free might be a nice driver. Some people here seem to be comparing it to a 20K car.

I don't like the column shifter either, but that's pretty easily fixable? If it drives ok and the body is good I'd be happy with it in its current condition for a couple years. If that wheel well is bondo what's the best fix? Full panel, get a skin and weld in a patch, ...? I guess now is when you tell me it depends on how far the bondo goes.

Down the line I'd be looking at a suspension kit and Guldstrand mod or a new subframe first. Looks like it might have been lowered up front already. Going to try calling him in a bit.

I don't see where you guys are getting the original butternut yellow paint code or 6 cylinder engine information, did I miss a picture or post?

The trim tag will tell you the original color code, but all will start with 12437, even with a 6 cylinder engine.

You need to look at the VIN to see if it starts with 123 (6 cyl) or 124 (8cyl).

It shouldn't really matter what the VIN starts with on a non numbers car, but in reality it does affect the price, so check.

I see gold or green paint on the right side fender near the wheel well, no yellow.

This car is a mess, with fresh paint. I would stay away from it.
You live in Arizona right? There has to be nice rust free cars there.
Take your time in this market, prices are dropping on cars of this "quality".

I wouldn't drive 6 hours to look at this car. It is a $7K rust bucket with a 500 paint job. The only thing decent is the interior.

I made the statements I did because of the items I found from the pictures. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm correct, not by a long shot. I'm still learning as the rest of us from the experts.

The car is what it is. I think, from the paint showing under the red paint, it may be butternut yellow or some seafoam/seamist green paint, hard to tell from the pictires given. Car does look good and as I said earlier, a good go to work car. There is plenty of paint overspray, gas tank, inside rear tires, and door jams don't look the greatest, but a good attempt was made.

A 6 hour drive to look - maybe, a long maybe. If local, sure, why not. I gave the 123 & 124 info as a FYI to see what the original recipe was/is when built. Car may have came with appearance pkg meaning '68 only window sill chrome/stainless, common roof rail stainless and brake pedals trim. Only the trim tag will tell.

Brad, others will know better, but I'd like to know the cost to "do away" with column shift. And if you're gonna gut the drivetrain, there's expense involved switching out of a 6 cyl. if that's the intention. There are TONS of good deals out there now. especially holding cash. I'm still a novice, no doubt.. but take a look at some of the guys that have weighed in here. I got lucky with my '68 project as there was almost no rust and only 1 small patch of bondo and I'm still spending a good amount to have it built like I want.

Looks like a quickie paint job with generic "arrest-me red" paint. Rear wheel opening does not even have a smooth contour to it - as mentioned before, probably full of bondo. I would look elsewhere, but of course I'm more of a purist at heart. No way I would drive 6 hours for this one unless he was giving it away or it was a BB or Z/28. $13K is not even close to giving it away. Run, Forrest, Run!

I wouldn't drive 6 hours to look at this car. It is a $7K rust bucket with a 500 paint job. The only thing decent is the interior.


Where is the rust in those pictures? I agree $13 is high but it might sell for a reasonable price. Asking for additional photos of the underside, trunk, etc. prior to driving 6 hours would certainly be prudent. Maybe somebody local can look at it for you. I'll agree it's not a $15K paint job, but where can you even buy the paint for $500? I'd like to see some links to other camaros that can be bought for $10K for comparison.

Dave, there was a Camaro on here for $10,000 that we all went crazy for. It was in one of the magazines and I posted it here. Of course, those things happen if you look at Camaros every other day... Brad- ask the guy a ton of questions, get more pics (dont forget the underside). If you are STILL serious about the car let me know, I'll see how far Whittier is from me. If it's close, maybe me and the guy doing the body on my '68 can go take a look. He's a big Camaro guy and has 3 or 4 in his shop right now. Don't worry, I won't buy it out from under you... God knows I have enough going on. - Is it possible to go on EBAY and look for 68s that have sold for $10,000? Cant you isolate them by price and whatnot?? I'm also put-off by the guys comment "pictures speak for themselves", with so many questions about the car.

Thought I would chime in here. Two things that jump out at me are the engine bay has a lot of black spray paint on most surfaces. Usually to cover rusty parts. The other is I might be wrong here but the drivers side door is always open. No pictures of it closed could be a sign of body alignment problems. Hard to say. Nothing compares to an inspection on a good sunny day. I would rather see a dirty rusty engine compartment and rust bubbles on original or 20 year old paint. There is an awesome original straight 6 1967 on eBay right now. I would buy in a heart beat if I was looking.

67for/me

Dave, there was a Camaro on here for $10,000 that we all went crazy for. It was in one of the magazines and I posted it here. Of course, those things happen if you look at Camaros every other day... Brad- ask the guy a ton of questions, get more pics (dont forget the underside). If you are STILL serious about the car let me know, I'll see how far Whittier is from me. If it's close, maybe me and the guy doing the body on my '68 can go take a look. He's a big Camaro guy and has 3 or 4 in his shop right now. Don't worry, I won't buy it out from under you... God knows I have enough going on. - Is it possible to go on EBAY and look for 68s that have sold for $10,000? Cant you isolate them by price and whatnot?? I'm also put-off by the guys comment "pictures speak for themselves", with so many questions about the car.


Hey Mark thanks for the offer. Whittier is SE of downtown north of Downey/Norwalk/Cerritos (I was born in Lakewood) and south of West Covina by where the 5 hits the 605. Not the best neighborhood. It's pretty far from you out in Simi Valley. In traffic, it might be faster for me to get there :yes:

You can't see sold stuff anywhere really but I've been looking at ads nearly every day for the last 2 months or so. $10k or less (listed) gets you something in pieces or it gets you something that's been painted too soon that has issues. 15-25k can get you something more complete(closer to the high end). I haven't gotten a hold of the dude yet. I think he works nights.

Here's something from my area that's the same price (I don't want a ragtop):

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/916664582.html

This one is pretty similar. He keeps putting it out there every couple weeks and never changes the price. It's got rust in the trunk, floor, wheel wells, and under the paint.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/916563897.html

For comparison:

This keeps showing up, but there's almost no info on it. They told me the interior is completely empty.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/915718240.html

Rusty fenders for 7k with a 250.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/915695594.html

Probably a nightmare for 6500 so I didn't even bother

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/914606698.html

This is right down the street from me and has body problems.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/912552880.html

Here's what you can get for around 20k

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/917608141.html

there is a red, 69 6 cyl. for sale on this web site (classified) for $7500. it's got rust issues but it's something to glance at. Of course, youre not interested in going to N. Jersey....

You can't see sold stuff anywhere really

Do you have an Ebay account?
If you can sign in on ebay you can see all the camaros that have sold in the last 30 days.

Just look at the actual sold results in green, ignore the rest.

http://motors.completed.shop.ebay.com/items/Cars-Trucks___W0QQLHQ5fCompleteZ1QQModel4710b09ZCamaro7 7dea04fQQMake247a0eZChevroletb00f1088QQModelYearf0 c65f14Z19691722ebQ7c19681722eaQ7c19671722e9QQQ5ftr kparmsZ65Q253A2Q257C39Q253A1QQ_catZ6001QQ_gcsZ13QQ _ipgZ200QQ_pcatsZ6000QQ_sofindtypeZ22QQ_sopZ2QQ_tr ksidZp4506Q2ec0Q2em245