Here is the frame I am looking to order for my car. It is a 1 pc tube frame that the original rails fit over. It kind of goes against the frame + sub frame style year ones have, but I just cant help myself from thinking this is soooooooooooo cool:D

http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro1.JPG

Kewl frame. How bout some details?

This is from the web site....

:hurray: part 1 of 2

Pro-Touring Stance with many custom
ride heights available.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro1.JPG
Smooth flowing looks, not choppy cut and
welded tubing.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro2.JPG
G-Machine Reversed Watts Link Rear Setup
with many more rear suspension options
including several Independent Rears.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro3.jpg
Dual Bearing Bell Crank with adjustable Watts
link bars, Adjustable coilovers or Air Ride is
available.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro4.jpg
All CNC cut parts designed and cut in house.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro5.jpg

Full length rear frame rail shown but can be
cut back for use of factory gas tank and straps.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro6.jpg
Adjustable ride heights built in.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro7.jpg
Super Strong center H-member and side support
bars reduce torsional flex for better handling &
ride quality over conventional camaro
suspensions. Also check out our cool adjustable
transmission mount with port holes for exhaust
and mount points for several different trans-
mission applications.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro8.jpg

Smooth flowing sculpted transitions, not
cut and weld , boxy looking tubing.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro10.jpg

part 2 :yes:

cut and weld , boxy looking tubing.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro10.jpg
Power or Manual Rack and Pinion Steering.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro11.jpg
100% Designed and built SRG Independent
front suspension for the SRG-Force Camaro
Chassis. Adjustable Tubular Control Arms
Available in plain, brushed or polished.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro12.jpg
Cool looking Hidden 1" Stabilizer Bar with
greasable Energy Suspension Bushings and
stainless steel retainers.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro13.jpg
Strong but still a classy chassis.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro14.jpg
This has some serious steam rollers 18x12's.
on the rear which does require some cutting.
Oh, but it sure is worth it.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro21.jpg
Here you can see the old test mule body getting
her first test fit onto the Prototype frame. We
almost teared up.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro23.jpg
Here you can see how the side support bars
fit down the side rail of the body and are
almost unseen once frame is in place.
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro22.jpg
Here is the SRG designed reversed watts link
setup and you can see the clearence with the
factory floor. Some guys are even talking
about using an fuel cell in the trunk just so
this thing can be more visible. Not a bad idea!
http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro24.jpg

Who made it? Whats the price? Looks really good! Pics when your done please...:D

Am I seeing this right the stock frame rails stay and all the floor, if this is correct how low will the body be.How many F bodys have been done this way have you seen them and how do you like the ride hight.How does the back half bolt to the frame.Just currios how all this works and it seems like it will be quite heavy with all the stock floor left in.I would like to see some more pics if you dont mind on how the body looks when on the frame.It is definatly a nice looking chassis just need to see it when finnished...

As it looks in the pic with power rack and pinion no rims and tires Its $14500 plus shipping. Seems a little high but the ride and handling are nothing like any camaro out there. streetrodgarage.com
10 week delivery.
I will post pics as soon as I get it :D

We have looked at them a lot. I really do not see what advantage these would have over a good subframe and frame connectors. When you combine some of the killer rear suspensions out there now, and the awesome subframes, it is impossible to justify the cost difference. And I do not see much room for improvment in a properly structured frame connected car. We have built full frame Camaro's, and they are great. But so are our high end subframe / frame connected projects. now a full frame and independant suspension...............now we are talking!

I am sure it will handle, but to be honest, I see extra cost, extra weight and horrible ground clearance with under the floor frame rails (high center location at that). And at the end of the day I doubt very seriously it can out perform a good subframe car.

We have built full frame Camaro's, and they are great. But so are our high end subframe / frame connected projects. now a full frame and independant suspension...............now we are talking!

I am sure it will handle, but to be honest, I see extra cost, extra weight and horrible ground clearance with under the floor frame rails (high center location at that). And at the end of the day I doubt very seriously it can out perform a good subframe car.

What are your thoughts on the A-M solid-axle, full frame chassis' that you are a vendor of?

We have looked at them a lot. I really do not see what advantage these would have over a good subframe and frame connectors. When you combine some of the killer rear suspensions out there now, and the awesome subframes, it is impossible to justify the cost difference. And I do not see much room for improvment in a properly structured frame connected car. We have built full frame Camaro's, and they are great. But so are our high end subframe / frame connected projects. now a full frame and independant suspension...............now we are talking!

I am sure it will handle, but to be honest, I see extra cost, extra weight and horrible ground clearance with under the floor frame rails (high center location at that). And at the end of the day I doubt very seriously it can out perform a good subframe car.

I'm kinda with you on this one Frank I just wasn't as blunt.Does the stock floor stay and how high will the body ride hight be maybe or am I looking at the pictures wrong.Definatly pricey and maybe more work....

What are your thoughts on the A-M solid-axle, full frame chassis' that you are a vendor of?

Two different worlds. With something like a AME, you cut out all the old floor and frame, channel the body over the frame, lower the center of gravity, loose the weight from the disgarded original body pieces, and SERIOUSY increase the torsional stiffness of the body / frame combo by welding the frame and body as one.

However, at the end of the day I doubt even a full on Art Morrison chassis with all the above attributes will have enough of a advantage over a good subframe / connector car, to justify all the extra work, expense. Would it possibly be 2% better? 5% better? Maybe? Are any of us ever going to push our cars to the limits to find that 5% edge, IF a advantage exist? Most are not going to push our cars to that edge.

Two different worlds. With something like a AME, you cut out all the old floor and frame, channel the body over the frame, lower the center of gravity, loose the weight from the disgarded original body pieces, and SERIOUSY increase the torsional stiffness of the body / frame combo by welding the frame and body as one.

As quoted by Frank...

Is this what he is planning or just sitting the body over with all the stock floor.

I don't know how to pull this part out other than cut and paste.

The under car frame leaves all the original floor and rear rails, super structure. You can see this clearly in one of the pics.

A Morrison frame would require cutting out the floors and old rails, much like doing a chassis in a Drag car or Pro Street car.

Gotta ask??

What's the Gotlieb Brothers '69 "Big Red 1" made like??

Full NASCAR w/ a heck of an engine set back isn't it?

pdq67

The suspension lowers the car and the center of gravity, it is extra weight and the entire body oncluding the floor stay on. As for the difference in performace..I am no expert but my boss has a 68 with a 427 that is pretty hot (I am not sure what the total HP ect is) When he had the frame connectors the car would flex and twist alot. There is really no comparison to the new frame, the car feels faster as it drives straighter and with the independent suspension it corners without the body roll.
As I said I am not expert but I noticed the difference as a passenger and the cost works out to around $3500 more after the shipping. As for time the frame comes to me as seen, the only labour is perhaps some minor fitting to the body as not all bodys are exactly alike. They are willing to purchase the rims and tires for me and send it as a complete roller so the time savings alone make up for the cost difference to me.
I do not have the knoweldge or expierience to tell you which is better or worse, this may very well be heavier and power stealing in the end but with over 800hp I am sure I can spare it ;). As a driver car I can afford to add some weight an in the end I feel safer with the full frame (wrong or right I guess Im stubburn)...maybe a little lasy too:D

i do thank you all for the input :)

Art Morrison will be introducing a full frame that is based on their subframe connected to their rear clip (not sure if it is the four or three bar or both) that will not require removal of the floor. I think this would be the way to go if you want a full frame and don't want to remove the floor. AME's engineering is top notch and I am sure they would not introduce a product that did not deliver.

Don

I think that this frame looks killer! I know that the AME frame must have the body channeled over it,and that this would result in a slightly lower center of gravity for better handling,but consider the headroom in the car. If you channel too aggressively, your head will be in close contact with the roof unless substantial mods are made to the seat mounts to lower them. ask me how I know :) Good thing I'm under 6ft :) My frame was channeled only about 2 inches,and it makes a dramatic difference in headroom and the position of controls in relation to the driver. In other words- I think this undermount frame would be fine,much easier to install,and perform either on par or just slightly worse than an AME setup,but with alot less headaches. Not knocking the current fine subframe/rear suspension solutions, like the G-bar,DSE,etc. They all work great to be sure, but you gotta just love the look of a "real" full frame up under the car as opposed to a combo of several pieces. Just an opinion.

thanks belair bob I never thought of that I am not huge by any means but at 6-3 and 210 I can relate to your issue :)

What Bob says about channeled bodies are very legit potential issues it not engineered properly. On Project Prodigy we solved that problem by building a perimeter spine and backbone chassis with a belly pan floor. The seat is mounted at the bottom of the rockers, so the seat sits even lower then a stock Camaro. It was a HUGE amount of work, but I think at the end of the day it was the only way to go with a full frame on one of these cars. Project Prodigy also has a full independant suspension, which I also believe is the only reason for a full frame in one of these cars.

Really at the end of the day the biggest issue with the under car frame is going to be the high center problem. The rear floor in these cars is nearly even with the bottom of the rocker. If you go under that with a 2" to 3" frame rail, your that much lower. Not to mention it does not look to hot when you see the frame in the side view of the car. With a rocker height in the 6" area (the goal for most of us), there is going to be 4" or less under the frame rail, and that will get you stuck on a speed bump. Ask me how I know, LOL! I like that one Bob! Try loading this one a trailer!

I have not tested one of these frames yet, so everything I speak about is assumption at this point, but pretty good assumption from experiance with other projects. I wish you all the luck and hope for a glowing report.

Maybe adding a full roll cage will do as good??

And a lot cheaper??

Just mentioning it and it looks like already said, killer!

pdq67

I would like to see photos of a finished car at ride height. Frank brings up some great points. I'm not liking the double frame rail in the back. That is going to cause compromises with exhaust definitely and not keen on two frames from a looks standpoint. Looks like it will need a fuel cell as well.

I would like to see photos of a finished car at ride height. Frank brings up some great points. I'm not liking the double frame rail in the back. That is going to cause compromises with exhaust definitely and not keen on two frames from a looks standpoint. Looks like it will need a fuel cell as well.
I second this, I would not want to be walking up to my car and see all that frame hanging down:sad: I want to see pics of a body on this frame . Pics from all angles/360 degrees.

I second this, I would not want to be walking up to my car and see all that frame hanging down:sad: I want to see pics of a body on this frame . Pics from all angles/360 degrees.

It is pretty clear in the picture at the bottom of the thread the frame is maybe 3" under the rocker. So for the 5" to 5 1/2" of ground clearance (lowest center point driveable ground clearance) needed to be streetable, this sets the rocker somewhere near 8" to 9" rocker height which is damn near a stock height. Most want this type of build low. Go under 5 1/2" frame to ground clearance and life will be miserable.

As for seeing the frame, between the rocker outriggers and the primary rail under the floor, I think this will all be highly visable in a side profile. Tood brings up a good point on the exhaust. Between the double rear rails, the crossmember behind the rear, and the watts link, tailpipes are going to be difficult at best. And also as Todd mentioned, looks like a fuel cell in the trunk or a really small tank in the original location.

I am not trying to beat on this thing. Our experiance does allow us to see some issues, and it is kinda our job to point these out.

Like I said, I am sure it will handle. I just doubt the benifit out weighs the little issues.

http://www.streetrodgarage.com/images/camaro22.jpg

I think that this frame looks killer! I know that the AME frame must have the body channeled over it,and that this would result in a slightly lower center of gravity for better handling,but consider the headroom in the car. If you channel too aggressively, your head will be in close contact with the roof unless substantial mods are made to the seat mounts to lower them. ask me how I know :) Good thing I'm under 6ft :) My frame was channeled only about 2 inches,and it makes a dramatic difference in headroom and the position of controls in relation to the driver. In other words- I think this undermount frame would be fine,much easier to install,and perform either on par or just slightly worse than an AME setup,but with alot less headaches. Not knocking the current fine subframe/rear suspension solutions, like the G-bar,DSE,etc. They all work great to be sure, but you gotta just love the look of a "real" full frame up under the car as opposed to a combo of several pieces. Just an opinion.

I think the new AME frame based on their subframe and rear clip would not require removal and chanelling of the floor. I think it is essentially their subframe and rear clip joined with heavy duty welded in "subframe connectors". It should not hang any lower than the stock subframe and subframe connectors. This is a little speculative but this is what I think they are bringing out based on what I have read. I think this would be a great setup for the average guy to install.

Don