Has anyone had any experience with flush fitting the glass on a first gen camaro?

Yes.

i think belair bob did his that way. flush trim too. i may be mistaken (but never wrong)

Mark- Correct you are! Flush glass it was---Also shaved the drip rails,door handles, emblems. Custom integrated front bumper,reverse opening hood,and filled all body seams. Whew! I get tired again just thinking about it.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/belairbobs/61.jpg

its on another forum at pro touring.com
http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45983

Yes.

OK you said yes, but could you please show some pictures on how to do it?

I do not have pictures of the instalation, but all we did was bead weld the opening about 3/16". On one car we used a 3/8 Flush mount seal. On the other we just smoothed the bead of urethane

I saw a an unfinneshed Camaro at last months car show.It was being done buy a shop called Frames to Flames I talked to the owner and he used shrinker stretcher tools to makesheet metal and brought the depth up on the chanel to about 1/2" deep.
http://www.framestoflames.com/site/cs1.html

Mark- Correct you are! Flush glass it was---Also shaved the drip rails,door handles, emblems. Custom integrated front bumper,reverse opening hood,and filled all body seams. Whew! I get tired again just thinking about it.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/belairbobs/61.jpgThis thing is so wild it doesn't look real it is one Badd a$$ Mo Fo

Theres a guys on the other site selling a back and front window for 2k. Too rich for my blood. Im guessing someone will come out with a kit before Im done with my build for about half that. I hope anyway,lol

You might want to check this out:
http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51115

There is a substaintial glass supplier working on doing a complete kit that will include flush mount front and rear glass and all the side glass. The targeted price is to be half of what the other front and rear only cost. Targeted for a mid year release. These guys have the resourses to pull it off, just a matter of weather they go through with it. Probably weather the market will support it. I cannot say anything more then that right now.

I do however have some legitiment concerns that this flush mount glass could become a "what were they thinking" modification in 10 years.

I forgot to mention the guy from Frames to Flames said it took 100 hrs for each glass.

I forgot to mention the guy from Frames to Flames said it took 100 hrs for each glass.

He must have been charging by the hour on that job.

Can I buy my old car back?

I do however have some legitiment concerns that this flush mount glass could become a "what were they thinking" modification in 10 years.

Thats what I was thinking,just like the flarred out wheel wells of the late 70's and the crazy paint jobs from the 80's

Jim...here ya go:

http://classicautoglassinnovations.com/

well if it is one of those "what were they thinking things" its real easy to swap it back

I forgot to mention the guy from Frames to Flames said it took 100 hrs for each glass.


Talked to the same guy at the same show and he quoted me a price of
4 -5K. The kit offered though Classic Autoglass is about 2k and is reversible.

I think there is another kit coming that will blow that price away, about summer time.

Hey Frank. This is Robert from Classiautoglassinnovations..We may have had some bickering on the other forums, but I would love to know what other company is coming out with this product in the Mid Year. Why the secret.? Unlike them, I have a product that is actually being used at this time by several builders to be revealed shortly. And have the backing of several Major Catalog Retailers. If there is any doubt about my products quality, check out the link to Project Evade. Bill is a very nice guy and will offer any information you would like to know about my company's product.

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50998&page=3

Anyway, I figured I might put my two cents in.. My kit is completely reversible with no alteration to your cars body, paint, ect. No touch up, no paint work, no cutting, no welding, no trimiming, no body manipulation at all (ALL THE MOULDING CLIP STUDS STAY IN PLACE). It also has a 100 percent money back garuntee even if you have body integrity issues. We at Classic Auto Glass Innovations dont feel that you should be stuck with a product that you cannot use. We have not found a car that it doesnt fit yet. It is installed in a matter of a couple of hours, and is reversible in the same time frame. So, if by some chance you decide to go back to original you can.

On a second note. I have been very open with my product from day one, and have done my best to provide a quality product that has all the DOT Safety standards. Anyway, I think it is sort of strange that a person can talk about a product coming out, but cant or will not disclose the manufacturer or retailer. Like this other company (Maybe mistaken with mine) we have a complete set of side glasses coming out. These glasses are a laminated glass like most of you high end luxury cars of today. This will provide different levels of internal tint option (rather than smoke), added noise insulation, UV and Thermal Protection, Climate control insulation, Anti Fog, Extra Security, ect. The Laminated side glasses are not available as an option on the first orders of the Flush Mount Glass System, but all early Glass Kit orders will be offered the side glasses at the reduced option price at their release date.

For any questions about product. I am always open to talk, I am not some mystery company.

Check out my website Classicautoglassinnovations.com
Or give me a call at

580-263-0454 with any questions you may have.

Robert Jackson
Classic Auto Glass Innovations
Classicautoglassinnovations.com

With a product like the glass and the price tag that was put on it you have to know its a matter of time. Someone else is going to jump in. Thats just the way it works. Your goal should be selling as many kits as you can right now before the new one comes out. Im one of those guys thats building a car and dont need it right now. My hope is by the time I do need it the price will be about half.
You know I just replaced my glass in my Lexus the other day. Being that its a new car I just knew it was going to be a arm and a leg! 345.00 installed. Not bad! I was shocked!

Not to choose sides here, but Frank is very active in the pro-touring aspect of Camaros and a forward thinking business man who shares his knowledge to others so unselfishly. He has established himself as a honest businessman who has good deals on products that work, and will tell you which ones don't. I have not bought anything from Frank (not due to any other reason than my budget is next to nil) nor have I ever spoke to the man or emailed him. I am on this site, pro-touring.com, and lateral-g.net however and I read alot of the posts from many members and Frank himself and have followed a ton of builds. I know what certain companies can do with their skills and give respect where it is due. It is simply business sense that prices will drop as production increases. I look forward to seeing what arives in the future.

I applaud Frank in his involvment with the community. Ever have a question, you CAN call him. He is in business, but he also is part of the community.

Frank simply was giving people information that another solution may be on the horizon at about 1/2 the price? Thats what being part of the community is about.

Regardless of Frank not endorsing your product or if he had, and then also stated another source was on the horizon it would not of mattered. I wanted flush glass myself at one point, but could like many we have to pick and choose items on the wish list, and 2k for no chrome vs. 1k with no chrome is a big difference.

Don't take it personal, its all business and 1k saved in one place is spent in another. Just be proactive, drop your price to 1k and saturate the market and then your competition may not be as interested in sharing the market. But as long as they feel they can make/sell the item for less than the competition then someone will jump in the market sooner or later.

I applaud Frank in his involvment with the community. Ever have a question, you CAN call him. He is in business, but he also is part of the community.

Frank simply was giving people information that another solution may be on the horizon at about 1/2 the price? Thats what being part of the community is about.

Regardless of Frank not endorsing your product or if he had, and then also stated another source was on the horizon it would not of mattered. I wanted flush glass myself at one point, but could like many we have to pick and choose items on the wish list, and 2k for no chrome vs. 1k with no chrome is a big difference.

Don't take it personal, its all business and 1k saved in one place is spent in another. Just be proactive, drop your price to 1k and saturate the market and then your competition may not be as interested in sharing the market. But as long as they feel they can make/sell the item for less than the competition then someone will jump in the market sooner or later.

I agree with everything stated here!

100%

Let me throw in another angle....

Stock glass - so no cost of new glass. But once it is done it is done...no going back.

I am flush mounting on my 68. Welding a bead on the inside of the frame (front and rear glass), mount the standard glass in and seal it up with modern seals.

Bit of labour but very low cost, and looks just as good as reversable options.

Frank knows me, I have bought a ton of stuff from Frank for my car, interesting prediction "what was I thinking in 2008 flush mounting...:." I suspect it's an accurate prediction as not many people do it, but I hope my grand kids get to ask me that in 30-40 years as this ones is a keeper.

Dont have a problem with business or business practices, and I understand how business and marketing works.If you notice, most all products start out at a higher price and then go down as time goes on. This is because the business world tries to recover cost of developement, marketing cost, and investment risk. After that is recovered ,and also the inclusion of competition, the prices generally drop. I dont have a problem with Frank or ever have. All I was requesting is, why not say what company is producing the glass product? What is the problem with that. I have been very open with my product, and have done alot of marketing in the process.

As far as price, it is rare that anyone is happy with a price of a product. There are several Pro-touring or custom parts designers that have inflated prices on there products, There is a reason for that. My product does the Flush Mount Mod at have the cost of the actual body work, plus it is reversible. We would love to go through all the trouble, leg work, stress, Risk, ect to be able to pass a product off to the customer with no mark up.. Unfortunately, there are cost and other factors involved that we cannot get around. For one. I have liability insurance (A Must for this kind of product), lawyers, manufacturing, warehousing, employee's, etc.

But, from the Statement Frank had made in an earlier post here. It appears that he was saying, let other company or him see what the demand would be on my product to determine if it is worth his or that other companies time to do so. A Month later he then states, that they are looking for a July release. I cant help but believe that this comes from my marketing on Pro-touring.com, which Frank is a Member. Frank doesnt talk about it on Pro-touring because I am a Member there, but he talks about it on here.

Anyway. I am not saying anyone is wrong. I am not saying that Frank is doing anything directly. So please lets not keep this going.. All, I was trying to do is put my two cents in on a discussion about my product. As far as not taking offense. Well, if anyone has been following my products development, or reading my threads, or has talked to me on the phone. They would understand the trouble I went through to make this happen, and they would take a bit of offense if the this sort of thing themselves. This idea has been out for awhile with lexan, and other ideas, but no one would take the chance, or go through the trouble. But, now that someone has done all the work and test marketed the product, lets jump in. To this day, I dont know how well it is going to do and I dont know when the work will end. But, I have been dedicated to make the best product possible, and have taken all the risk. So, tell me Would you take a bit of offense?

Hummm.....lets get back on topic......no more drama :)

Totally agreed.. Thanks

Just a lil side note, I am on lateralg & pt.com also, and have followed the glass thread there as well as other threads. The following is just my opinion; you do come off as taking stuff more personal than other vendors and do not seem to know when to let things drop.

That is just my personal opinion and has nothing to do with flush glass. Your glass product looks very nice and it set of your camaro nicely. There is no denying you did your home work and built a nice product.

Thank you.. And I guess if you really like what you are doing and you give it all you got. A person cannot help but feel the little jab here or there. I am not someone that does anything half ass, I do everything go my best possible ability.

Whether it be a car I am building, an idea, or a product, I want it to be the best that it can be. If someone compliments my product or car, I would rather say I did that with a smile. Than I made this much off of that, and laugh about it.

LOL! I have never bickered with you at all Robert. I don't "bicker". I have not mentioned it on Pro Touring because I have not wanted to steal your thunder and the manufacturer is not ready yet. But since you brought it up

Here are the facts.

One of the largest glass companies IS in independant development of a flush glass kit.

That project has been going on before you built your first car.

We will be selling the kits.

I ave not mentoned it because I am not pre selling or trying to steal your thunder on Pro Touring.

Lets face it, had I said something at Pro Touring, that Prodigy Customs will have flush mount glass kits available including all side glass for a strick price about 60% of the cost of just your front and rear kit, you might have never sold any of your kits.

So lets just leave it at this. Glass kits are coming and we will be one of the distributors. If you need more information then that, I will be happy to telll everyone.

would you please tell me

would be best to pick up the phone or try a PM, IMHO. let's keep things upbeat.


Unfortunately, my project was started before any of these kits or word of the kits came about.

Just saw my car today and thought I'd share this pic of doing it the manual way.
You can almost make out the widened A-pillar, and the roof-line has been dropped a bit also.