I dont know if this has ever been asked but pro touring has one going like this so us pro streeters cant be left out....I see alot of cars on Ebay that are listed as Pro-Street and it just pi$$es me off.Brian if you stop by here how tall are you I am 6'-5" no offence to your PT thread just couldn't let you all have all the fun.

For me it would be:

High HP motor, with aggressive cam, radical heads/compression. Maybe even forced induction or the squeeze.
Suspension setup for drag and not cornering.
Possibly back-halving the car with some of those huge M/T tires in the rear. Skinny tires in front.
4.11 gears or greater.
Cage and sparse interior.

When someone says "pro street" I immediately think of a tubbed car with HUGE TIRES!

i would have to say a big set of tires,and a big motor,i think with either a blower or a noisy gear drive,undecided on the roll cage unless it goes down the track,mabe some wheelie bars.working turn :yes:signals,stereo,lights ,at least 2 front seats.5 point harness.:hurray::thumbsup:

As I had a good smartass answer for "those other guys", I wouldn't want you'all "pro-streeters to be left out...

Unfortunately, I just can't think of a witty answer right now, but if you go to the public library, ask for all the car craft and hot rod mags from the '80's, you'll find your answer.

Right after V8 vega's, and just before the Van craze hit.

Oh yea, I did think of one.

A real "Pro-Sreet" car CANNOT have any time slips or dyno sheets. This one's about "lookin" NOT "doin."

Again, please send any complaints to imstilljuskiddin@getalife.com

As I had a good smartass answer for "those other guys", I wouldn't want you'all "pro-streeters to be left out...

Unfortunately, I just can't think of a witty answer right now, but if you go to the public library, ask for all the car craft and hot rod mags from the '80's, you'll find your answer.

Right after V8 vega's, and just before the Van craze hit.

Oh yea, I did think of one.

A real "Pro-Sreet" car CANNOT have any time slips or dyno sheets. This one's about "lookin" NOT "doin."

Again, please send any complaints to imstilljuskiddin@getalife.com

Jim,don't hold back let us know how you realy feel.Does this mean you don't like my car....Did you get in a race with a PS car and lose at one point or another.Should a mod be able to add a thought that is this hatefull to some peoples cars or did you forget to add LOL to it or make another post and say you were just kidding....

As I had a good smartass answer for "those other guys", I wouldn't want you'all "pro-streeters to be left out...

Jim,don't hold back let us know how you realy feel.Does this mean you don't like my car....Did you get in a race with a PS car and lose at one point or another.Should a mod be able to add a thought that is this hatefull to some peoples cars or did you forget to add LOL to it or make another post and say you were just kidding....

I kinda thought my first sentence pretty well covered any requirements to make it known I was just kidding...

Hateful?
That's kinda strong.
Your car? It seems to be very nicely done from the pics I've seen.

I kinda thought my first sentence pretty well covered any requirements to make it known I was just kidding...

Hateful?
That's kinda strong.
Your car? It seems to be very nicely done from the pics I've seen.
I am not sure how the first sentence says your kidding I am not sure what those other guys is refering to.It doesn't matter to me who likes PS and who doesn't I like the back and forth statements between PT and PS its fun.

Pro street-huge rear tires, skinny fronts, very narrowed rearend, fat tubs(not mini tubs), hot rod rake, monster hood and/or monster blower or tunnel ram stickin thru it, made for straight line show AND go.
Pro touring-wide meats front and rear, may have slightly narrowed rearend, mini tubs, low stance all around, nice smooth body lines with slightly raised hood, made for road race show AND go.
Just the way I see it, and I like 'em both......

This will get interesting. A Pro Street car is tubbed and has fat tires in the rear. Usually skinny tires up front. That's pretty much where the "requirements" end, though I think a roll bar/cage is usually a needed item to complete the "look". It all started from "street cars" that wanted to look like "Pro Stock" cars, if you merge the two terms you have Pro Street. You can't say they have to have a certain stance because this evolves over time. Look how low a Pro Stock car sits and they are fairly even all the way around.

Todays Pro Street cars are nothing like the ones from 15-20 years ago. The older Pro Street cars gave the term a bad reputation. While there are still guys that build "posers" it's not as rampant as it was in the years passed. Most of the Pro Street stuff has some power to back up the look.

Big fat tires in the back, small skinnies in the front. Yes it does look good with a blower motor sticking out the hood but you dont need it. I had my car prostreeted 13 years before I put a blower motor in it. Roll bar is OK but if you dont want the hassle of climbing over it that is OK. I have the swingout bars and only install them when I go to the track. Used to have the 5 point harness but now all I use is a lap belt on the street. Wheelie bars are out for me but if that is what you like then go for it. The only problem I have with my car being low is the headers hitting on the drivers side but eventually I will buy a set on Lemmons.

I'm kinda starting to wonder if my car would be concidered pro-street I guess it is because there are no time slips....

As I had a good smartass answer for "those other guys", I wouldn't want you'all "pro-streeters to be left out...

Unfortunately, I just can't think of a witty answer right now, but if you go to the public library, ask for all the car craft and hot rod mags from the '80's, you'll find your answer.

Right after V8 vega's, and just before the Van craze hit.

Oh yea, I did think of one.

A real "Pro-Sreet" car CANNOT have any time slips or dyno sheets. This one's about "lookin" NOT "doin."

Again, please send any complaints to imstilljuskiddin@getalife.com

If you don't like Pro Street, do us all a favor and stay in Pro Touring. Your '68 is a nice ride, but what you like isn't necessarily what others like. What you think of Pro Street is your business, but we have a lot of time and effort invested in our cars. You're right...if I wanted a race car, guess what?...I"D HAVE A RACE CAR!

Not a very responsible post for a moderator.

I'm kinda starting to wonder if my car would be concidered pro-street I guess it is because there are no time slips....


POSER!!!!(LOL)


I really don't understand this argument......pro street, pro touring, yada,yada,yada. I've been a BIG fan of pro street chevys forever, and when the pro touring chevys started popping up I became a big fan of those, too. I think the real argument should be chevy versus everything else.......

I dont know if this has ever been asked but pro touring has one going like this so us pro streeters cant be left out....I see alot of cars on Ebay that are listed as Pro-Street and it just pi$ me off.Brian if you stop by here how tall are you I am 6'-5" no offence to your PT thread just couldn't let you all have all the fun.

I am not sure how the first sentence says your kidding I am not sure what those other guys is refering to.It doesn't matter to me who likes PS and who doesn't I like the back and forth statements between PT and PS its fun.

Even when someone lets you have the last word... ya just gotta jkeep at it.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1130407#post1130407
"Brians" What's the defintion of a PT car thread is right here, as you well know.
As is a similar level of fun from me.

If you don't like Pro Street, do us all a favor and stay in Pro Touring. Your '68 is a nice ride, but what you like isn't necessarily what others like. What you think of Pro Street is your business, but we have a lot of time and effort invested in our cars. You're right...if I wanted a race car, guess what?...I"D HAVE A RACE CAR!

Not a very responsible post for a moderator.

Jerry... You really got to quit taking yourself so seriously. Long before Al asked me to mod, I was a posting member of TEAM Camaro. All of it. I read (almost) every post. I know (almost) everyone here. And everyone knows me. A couple hundred know me personally, cause me and my vert hit the road every summer. Sorry if you don't like my sense of humor. 'Course, if you read any of the site besides yout own lil corner here, you mighta got the joke.

I will NOT be told to stay out of any area of this site.

I'm kinda starting to wonder if my car would be concidered pro-street I guess it is because there are no time slips....


POSER!!!!(LOL)


I really don't understand this argument......pro street, pro touring, yada,yada,yada. I've been a BIG fan of pro street chevys forever, and when the pro touring chevys started popping up I became a big fan of those, too. I think the real argument should be chevy versus everything else.......

Jeff, we're not having an argument, just a lil fun.
'course then there's David, who makes a career out of pulling the mods chains.

Jerry, we're not having an argument, just a lil fun.
'course then there's David, who makes a career out of pulling the mods chains.

BTW, I'm not Jerry, names Jeff. Glad ya'll are just funnin.

Sorry Jeff, fixed it.

Jim,
When you post something that is condescending to people who don't have the same interests as you, expect some equally offensive feedback. I don't give a rat's *** how many people you know on here. I read my 'lil corner' because that is what interests me. It doesn't take much to bash other people's interests, but I just wouldn't expect it from someone in your position with the forum.

As I had a good smartass answer for "those other guys", I wouldn't want you'all "pro-streeters to be left out...

Again, please send any complaints to imstilljuskiddin@getalife.com

I could tell you were kidding Jim!:yes:

Pro street to me has been big tires and big tubs. Never seemed to matter how much power as long as it was loud enough to draw attention. As far as time slips I dont see too many pro street cars at the track mostly at the shows.:D

And I guess I should add I do like them. So dont be flamming on me to much please!

Jerry... IT WAS A JOKE. Even David's rave at his supposedly not getting my joke WAS A JOKE.

I am sorry you do not do JOKES... but if you can manage it, I would suggest you back right off.
I am out of this one now.
Going back to PT, at least they have a sense of humor.

Slow as I am at finding time to get mine done I don't consider my pro street a poser. But, I shamed myself into the go fast stuff. I started out making it look fast and then decided I better back it up or I'd have to live down why I put all that racin' stuff on a street car. :yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/pro70z28/RearEndZ.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/pro70z28/d6a05ddd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/pro70z28/7b86465e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/pro70z28/296e4a56.jpg




Now I think I just shamed myself into going back to work on it tomorrow. :pout:

BTW: David, That is a fine LQQKin' 69 Pro Street.

Hey Gary you have a nice rear! :thumbsup:And looks like a killer hat too! :yes:Very nice so far. Dont you love the snowball effect? My car started as a 12 sec street car and I havent stopped yet!

Hey Gary you have a nice rear! :thumbsup:And looks like a killer hat too! :yes:Very nice so far. Dont you love the snowball effect? My car started as a 12 sec street car and I havent stopped yet!

Thanks Andy.

Yes, yes, yes........Mine started out as a Sunday afternoon cruiser. I guess technically it still is one. :yes:

For me it would be:

High HP motor, with aggressive cam, radical heads/compression. Maybe even forced induction or the squeeze.
Suspension setup for drag and not cornering.
Possibly back-halving the car with some of those huge M/T tires in the rear. Skinny tires in front.
4.11 gears or greater.
Cage and sparse interior.


My Pro Streeter has the above mentioned items with a couple of exceptions..........


3.90 rear gear
My car retains a complete interior,minus seats(Jaz racing seats),including stock dash and instrumentation and 6 point rollbar.
No forced induction.

Sweet ride! Even if it was a poser the look of it alone would scare off posers....

Sweet ride! Even if it was a poser the look of it alone would scare off posers....

.............I have fun with it:yes:. One of these days I'm gonna have to figure out why thers's not much tread left on my M/T Sportsmans:confused:?
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff229/1969ProStreetCamaro/MVC-009F.jpg?t=1230868522 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)

Hey David looks like it has a traction issue!

Hey David looks like it has a traction issue!

............:D:thumbsup::beers:

Hey David looks like it has a traction issue!

........I bet your Camaro has the same issue:yes:. I like it!!!!!!!!:yes: Very nice!!!

........I bet your Camaro has the same issue:yes:. I like it!!!!!!!!:yes: Very nice!!!

Yeah still trying t get 1.3 60 foot out of it and adding more power this season so traction is a little tough sometimes!

YouTube - 9.68 nitrous pass 10/04/07 KCIR

Yeah still trying t get 1.3 60 foot out of it and adding more power this season so traction is a little tough sometimes!

YouTube - 9.68 nitrous pass 10/04/07 KCIR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPksvxOQHy8)

Oh man that was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

Earlier in this thread I wrote that I took offense to some things that were written by Jim. I was wrong to post my replies, as after I did read all the related posts, I realized he was, as he said, just joking.

Jim, I hope you will accept my apology for my posts. I also apologize to any other members I may have offended.

Jerry

NP Jerry, thanks, and Happy New Year
Jim

Jerry... You really got to quit taking yourself so seriously. Long before Al asked me to mod, I was a posting member of TEAM Camaro. All of it. I read (almost) every post. I know (almost) everyone here. And everyone knows me. A couple hundred know me personally, cause me and my vert hit the road every summer. Sorry if you don't like my sense of humor. 'Course, if you read any of the site besides yout own lil corner here, you mighta got the joke.

I will NOT be told to stay out of any area of this site.



Jeff, we're not having an argument, just a lil fun.
'course then there's David, who makes a career out of pulling the mods chains.
Its all in fun though or am I wrong chains are ment to be pulled some can take it and some cant I guess.I think there are mood keys being punched here for reasons other than Camaro problems and the words get a little one sided.

Jim,

You do a good job on TC. You can come to the prostreet section anytime.

I didnt understand what you meant in your first statement also.

Team Camaro is my get away from the winter months and I truely enjoy being here.In the summer I don't get chance to visit much and some probably like that.

We all have our likes and dislikes and good moods and bad I myself have some things that have got some a little in a up roar so to speak.It is all in fun and some things are said as kidding and some hit home and I thought all was Ok if it ended with LOL.

I have still had some posts deleted and this was probably due to me showing my A$$ in some threads that are most of the time not to hurt anyones feelings but just not anything inteligent to say.Does this mean I should not post if I can make a joke to lighten some ones mood.

Once when I was about 24 yrs old and I saw my first carborator fire on my new motor in my 86 Silverado.My brothers buddy that helped me put it in says {wheres the marshmellows}I wanted to punch him in the face but still felt it was hummorous.

I mentioned on a post about someone whos car would not start that there may be a short between the stearing wheel and the drivers seat with a LOL at the end and it was deleted.I don't take any offence to whats said but sometimes some of the mods do and this I guess is a NONO.I think that all should be equal and some make it hard to know whats allowed.

Geez, everyone, I'm sorry I created this mess. It was all my fault for getting defensive when I didn't read all of the postings. The only irresponsible posts were mine.

Geez, everyone, I'm sorry I created this mess. It was all my fault for getting defensive when I didn't read all of the postings. The only irresponsible posts were mine.

Take it east Jerry, it's all not a problem.
Also David C. had a bit to do with escalating this as well, so don't blame yourself.
EDIT: And now I find out David C did a name change, and is in fact right here with us as "Pro-Street69Camaro468" so I guess it's all good all around.
This is not a biggie. Misunderstandings happen, they get sorted out, they are forgotten.
Jim

Hey, now might be the time...

Didja hear the one about people who who can't quite manage Pro Touring?
People on another site where the core group is doing qtr mil pro built cars have dubbed us (I fit the definition...lol) Joe touring !!!!!

Wondering...

what would be the definition of "Joe Street"??

(big and littles)...im talkind a fat a** tire stuffed under the car like a (33x21.50 x15) rears (235x60x15) fronts...big or small block..gotta have a cage..a pro street car without a cage is like a sexy woman at the beach with jeans and a winter coat on(lol) ..and good god it cant have a flat hood, must be 4inch or better(imo)..and must be beating the ground......

Take it east Jerry, it's all not a problem.
Also David C. had a bit to do with escalating this as well, so don't blame yourself.
EDIT: And now I find out David C did a name change, and is in fact right here with us as "Pro-Street69Camaro468" so I guess it's all good all around.
This is not a biggie. Misunderstandings happen, they get sorted out, they are forgotten.
Jim

Hey, now might be the time...

Didja hear the one about people who who can't quite manage Pro Touring?
People on another site where the core group is doing qtr mil pro built cars have dubbed us (I fit the definition...lol) Joe touring !!!!!

Wondering...

what would be the definition of "Joe Street"??


Joe Street is................

Air shocks(extended to max height)
50 series tires that protrude from the rear fenderwells 4"
Crushed velvet interior
Bolt in roll bar
High Performance product stickers all over the vehicle
Single exhaust with exhaust manifolds

Hey Jerry don't beat yourself up.
Sometimes when people get upset it just adds to the entertainment value of the thread!

Hey Jerry don't beat yourself up.
Sometimes when people get upset it just adds to the entertainment value of the thread!
I am not getting my feelings hurt because I realy don't have any.Its all in fun I guess I come off kinda strong some time but its kinda fun to here the junk said about Pro-Street.I guess some hate it and some love it I just want to see them fat tire cars.I just started this thread to see if it would hold its own with the PT thread just like this one.I did change my screen name but it was just because I wanted my last name off the front page nothing to do with this discussion.No hard feelings Jim I was just having some fun.I dont realy think it was me that got this whole thing outa hand though.It is getting more posts then the PT thread though.

By the way nice pass Andy.

I just want to add one thing to this thread.Can the mods tell me why the Pro-Street is not in bold letters as of yet.We just added tools and shops to the forums and it is in bold letters this kinda makes me feel like the pro-streeters are not wanted.I know it has been mentioned before but still remains a blipp on the screen.

I just want to add one thing to this thread.Can the mods tell me why the Pro-Street is not in bold letters as of yet.We just added tools and shops to the forums and it is in bold letters this kinda makes me feel like the pro-streeters are not wanted.I know it has been mentioned before but still remains a blipp on the screen.

.........here we go..........:boxing:.Orville Reddenbacher stock will skyrocket nowl:). Btw Dave, I like your new username:thumbsup::beers:.

Joe Street is................

Air shocks(extended to max height)
50 series tires that protrude from the rear fenderwells 4"
Crushed velvet interior
Bolt in roll bar
High Performance product stickers all over the vehicle
Single exhaust with exhaust manifolds


Ahhh, wish you'd just left it at this David. This is pure classic 80's "Pro Nausea" lol.

Big chuckle there. I almost wish the ProStreet moniker had stayed dead. Just too many "old bad visuals" for me. I was in my twenty's in the 80's, enjoying my first bash with a real income combined with no family or anything to spend it on. And the "Hot Rod " scene at that time was... well you certainly couldn't call it flourishing.

New cars didn't even have a hundred horsepower, and all hot rod mag could find to write about was custom vans with murals, and something they decided to call "Pro Street."

At that time, it was a car (any car, didn't matter, I even remember some caddies and buicks and a lot of '80's A body's) that was tubbed, custom painted, had the hugest tires made stuffed under, and something wicked looking sticking out of the hood.

Unfortunately, it pretty well stopped at "wicked looking" These were "Show Cars" and most of them didn't even run.
The backs of the magazines were just filled with ads for things like FAKE GUTTED BLOWERS WITH CARBS INSIDE!!!!


Now todays "Pro Street" cars seem to be another story all together. Pure race cars with license plates. Was that Andy? who posted the vid above? Like YIKES... that car is pure nasty :eek:

If one looks at pro touring as hot rods with the "sharp edges" smoothed off, then I would say I'd see our current pro street trend as a back lash FROM that. REAL HOT RODS, and touring is for wimps.

It would all just work better for me if the first pro street craze had never happened.

** this one is a real attempt to express an opinion, with nothing to work with but a keyboard. Please take it in the spirit it was given.

I just want to add one thing to this thread.Can the mods tell me why the Pro-Street is not in bold letters as of yet.We just added tools and shops to the forums and it is in bold letters this kinda makes me feel like the pro-streeters are not wanted.I know it has been mentioned before but still remains a blipp on the screen.

Honestly? My opinion, is it's because this section goes 10-15 days at times w/out a single post. It's simply not very active as the other sections. If that changes, I'm sure it's placement will change. Again, just my opinion and I have no control over such things as site setup.

.........here we go..........:boxing:.Orville Reddenbacher stock will skyrocket nowl:). Btw Dave, I like your new username:thumbsup::beers:.I needed to get my last name off here before some one hunts me down....When I filled out the sign up form I messed it up took me this long to get it changed.

Ahhh, wish you'd just left it at this David. This is pure classic 80's "Pro Nausea" lol.

Big chuckle there. I almost wish the ProStreet moniker had stayed dead. Just too many "old bad visuals" for me. I was in my twenty's in the 80's, enjoying my first bash with a real income combined with no family or anything to spend it on. And the "Hot Rod " scene at that time was... well you certainly couldn't call it flourishing.

New cars didn't even have a hundred horsepower, and all hot rod mag could find to write about was custom vans with murals, and something they decided to call "Pro Street."

At that time, it was a car (any car, didn't matter, I even remember some caddies and buicks and a lot of '80's A body's) that was tubbed, custom painted, had the hugest tires made stuffed under, and something wicked looking sticking out of the hood.

Unfortunately, it pretty well stopped at "wicked looking" These were "Show Cars" and most of them didn't even run.
The backs of the magazines were just filled with ads for things like FAKE GUTTED BLOWERS WITH CARBS INSIDE!!!!


Now todays "Pro Street" cars seem to be another story all together. Pure race cars with license plates. Was that Andy? who posted the vid above? Like YIKES... that car is pure nasty :eek:

If one looks at pro touring as hot rods with the "sharp edges" smoothed off, then I would say I'd see our current pro street trend as a back lash FROM that. REAL HOT RODS, and touring is for wimps.

It would all just work better for me if the first pro street craze had never happened.

** this one is a real attempt to express an opinion, with nothing to work with but a keyboard. Please take it in the spirit it was given.

Jim, I saw the humor in your posts in regards to Pro Touring and Pro Street:yes:. In regards to the "Show Car" comment, I'd like to add that I have seen a "Pro Street"(not what I would have called it:noway:) Pontiac Grand Am that had a narrowed rear end while still retaining the original front wheel drive and engine configuration:sad:. All they did was narrow the existing straight axle in the rear of the car:wacko::clonk:. I think it was in H0+%*d, I still have that magazine somewhere. That would be another description of Joe Street.

I needed to get my last name off here before some one hunts me down....When I filled out the sign up form I messed it up took me this long to get it changed.

You're alright Dave:yes:.

Honestly? My opinion, is it's because this section goes 10-15 days at times w/out a single post. It's simply not very active as the other sections. If that changes, I'm sure it's placement will change. Again, just my opinion and I have no control over such things as site setup.


If we start more post like this we will get more hits than 10 to 15 days at a time. LOL

Honestly? My opinion, is it's because this section goes 10-15 days at times w/out a single post. It's simply not very active as the other sections. If that changes, I'm sure it's placement will change. Again, just my opinion and I have no control over such things as site setup.
I don't get it how many hits is the tools and shops gonna get??????????

Just a bit of food for thought, new sections (forums) are intended to allow the site to grow and help by organizing things. Al could have put a tool forum under just about any of the tech forums because there are speciality tools for engines, body work, interior and suspensions.

No sense in making 4 new tool forums so he made one common tools & shops forum. Everyone no matter what their pleasure here has a use for tools so it warrants the forum. Now with respect to the Pro-Street forum there is absolutely nothing wrong with the cars or the guys behind them. The facts are though PS is not at the top of the charts and very few people are wrapped up into it like some of you are. Again Dave that is not a shot at the cars or you in any way. So from an administrators views (taking care of the site views) Al gave you what you asked for and he opted to make it a sub folder under Pro-Touring which is the modern version of Pro-Street.

If I were the one deciding what goes where I would also put the EFI forum under PT like PS is and it's got a lot more content than the PS forum. Don't take this personal because it's just an observation but a good amount of what is posted here really should be in bench racing. If you look in Convertable you will see mostly all the threads and posts are tech in nature which is what really belongs in a forum with specific title. Just bs'n and sharing pictures really is bench racing. If this forums tech content were to pick up with PS specific questions and answers it would really be an asset to the site... Again that's from someone thinking about the site first before personal preferences.

Ahhh, wish you'd just left it at this David. This is pure classic 80's "Pro Nausea" lol.

Big chuckle there. I almost wish the ProStreet moniker had stayed dead. Just too many "old bad visuals" for me. I was in my twenty's in the 80's, enjoying my first bash with a real income combined with no family or anything to spend it on. And the "Hot Rod " scene at that time was... well you certainly couldn't call it flourishing.

New cars didn't even have a hundred horsepower, and all hot rod mag could find to write about was custom vans with murals, and something they decided to call "Pro Street."

At that time, it was a car (any car, didn't matter, I even remember some caddies and buicks and a lot of '80's A body's) that was tubbed, custom painted, had the hugest tires made stuffed under, and something wicked looking sticking out of the hood.

Unfortunately, it pretty well stopped at "wicked looking" These were "Show Cars" and most of them didn't even run.
The backs of the magazines were just filled with ads for things like FAKE GUTTED BLOWERS WITH CARBS INSIDE!!!!


Now todays "Pro Street" cars seem to be another story all together. Pure race cars with license plates. Was that Andy? who posted the vid above? Like YIKES... that car is pure nasty :eek:

If one looks at pro touring as hot rods with the "sharp edges" smoothed off, then I would say I'd see our current pro street trend as a back lash FROM that. REAL HOT RODS, and touring is for wimps.

It would all just work better for me if the first pro street craze had never happened.

** this one is a real attempt to express an opinion, with nothing to work with but a keyboard. Please take it in the spirit it was given.

I agree totally.
When David first started asking about a Pro Street section I thought OH BOY. Visions of big tire cars that could barely get out of their own way came to mind.
I was doing the van thing back then (80's) since I had allready lost my licence at the age of 17 for street racing. Plus vans came in handy!:yes: But going to the shows and seeing these beautiful cars that my van could outrun made me sick!
MOST of todays pro street cars run better than that now. Funny thing I never thought of mine as pro street since it only runs 10.5 inch tires instead of bigg 33's but I guess it kinda fits in some of these definitions.

imho...No backhalf,no tubs,no steamrollers= No Pro Street.
Simply making this modification alone does not constitute Pro Street either ,as pointed out by David..ex-fwd Pontiac N car tubbed.
Street/Street Strip..does not matter.Without big meats and a license,registration and insurance..you are not Pro Street...my self included.
I wonder what the term would be for a super quick small tire car like Andys ^ licensed and street legal.Outlaw???

I just want to add one thing to this thread.Can the mods tell me why the Pro-Street is not in bold letters as of yet.We just added tools and shops to the forums and it is in bold letters this kinda makes me feel like the pro-streeters are not wanted.I know it has been mentioned before but still remains a blipp on the screen.

......that's not how I feel:noway:. I'm satisfied with the space that we were granted and how it was set up:yes:


Just a bit of food for thought, new sections (forums) are intended to allow the site to grow and help by organizing things. Al could have put a tool forum under just about any of the tech forums because there are speciality tools for engines, body work, interior and suspensions.

No sense in making 4 new tool forums so he made one common tools & shops forum. Everyone no matter what their pleasure here has a use for tools so it warrants the forum. Now with respect to the Pro-Street forum there is absolutely nothing wrong with the cars or the guys behind them. The facts are though PS is not at the top of the charts and very few people are wrapped up into it like some of you are. Again Dave that is not a shot at the cars or you in any way. So from an administrators views (taking care of the site views) Al gave you what you asked for and he opted to make it a sub folder under Pro-Touring which is the modern version of Pro-Street.

If I were the one deciding what goes where I would also put the EFI forum under PT like PS is and it's got a lot more content than the PS forum. Don't take this personal because it's just an observation but a good amount of what is posted here really should be in bench racing. If you look in Convertable you will see mostly all the threads and posts are tech in nature which is what really belongs in a forum with specific title. Just bs'n and sharing pictures really is bench racing. If this forums tech content were to pick up with PS specific questions and answers it would really be an asset to the site... Again that's from someone thinking about the site first before personal preferences.

.......I agree.........what's best for the website works for me:yes:.

imho...No backhalf,no tubs,no steamrollers= No Pro Street.
Simply making this modification alone does not constitute Pro Street either ,as pointed out by David..ex-fwd Pontiac N car tubbed.
Street/Street Strip..does not matter.Without big meats and a license,registration and insurance..you are not Pro Street...my self included.
I wonder what the term would be for a super quick small tire car like Andys ^ licensed and street legal.Outlaw???

I think his would be just considered a Nice and quick "STREET CAR",outlaw cars do run small tires but most about 2-3 seconds faster than Andy or most of us ever will:( just my .02 and VERY NICE lookin and runnin car Andy,hope mine does at least that when I get it done.

I think his would be just considered a Nice and quick "STREET CAR",outlaw cars do run small tires but most about 2-3 seconds faster than Andy or most of us ever will:( just my .02 and VERY NICE lookin and runnin car Andy,hope mine does at least that when I get it done.

Sounds correct to me.I never know how to coin a super quick non Pro Street car so as to not offend the owner.
Andy has a serious high hp 1/4 mile monster.
What would you guys call his car.(aside from sweet)??
How bout Super Street?Naw..sounds cheesy and does not fit the bill.Any ideas?This is a grey area imo that could be addressed by us and who knows where it will lead to.:beers:

Yeah most of the oulaw guys run a 10.5w tire and some kind of blower or turbo any more but most of them dont cruise on the street. I built my car with the intentions of a 12sec street car I could run at the track. It got a little faster as the car started coming together. It still weighs 3600lbs with full interior and that was the only time I sprayed it. The new motor is going to be bigger with a little more compression but still dont plan to spray it
We just call it THE HOT ROD.

Hey Andy..well that flat out answers my question.I bumped into a stranger today at the party store and he said "You own that Hot Rod Camaro,I know you".I gave him a nod yes and moved on.So it is official...small tire high hp 1st Gen camaros are Hot Rods.Go figure eh.:hurray:

Hmm, interesting thread for sure. Well I think of Pro street as a car with big wheels in back and little wheels up front, and a motor to back it up. Pro touring is a car with big wheels all the way around, Motor may or may not back up the cars image.
Aw heck, it would be easier to show my idea of the two in pictures....
Pro street
http://www.performancerestorations.com/images/SpiroPappas.jpg



Pro touring
http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images_v2/002/617/060/20080417/dyn007_original_800_600_pjpeg_2617060_eff96026f004 49254039ff2ee4080cdb.jpg


:D:D

When did you shave Sean? :D

"They see me rollin', they hatin', patrollin' they trying to catch me ridin' dirty...."

;) :D

Sean,
Now, your last two posts made me laugh.

I don't know why guys have to "compare" or judge what someone elses car is. To me I could care less, call my car what you want. I built it for me. It doesn't fit any specific "title". It's a street car and will be driven, it's tubbed but, not with huge tires, has a roll cage and a blower. It's not pro street it's just a street/strip car (at least that's what people used to call cars like this).

Sean,
Now, your last two posts made me laugh.

I don't know why guys have to "compare" or judge what someone elses car is. To me I could care less, call my car what you want. I built it for me. It doesn't fit any specific "title". It's a street car and will be driven, it's tubbed but, not with huge tires, has a roll cage and a blower. It's not pro street it's just a street/strip car (at least that's what people used to call cars like this).
I'll go with this one,cant believe I started another one yall probably can though.I will quit whining now because all in all from what I have read I have a want to be Pro-Street anyway but I built it and its what I want.

Ok with all said my thread that is {New 70 Chevelle father and son project} where should I post.It is going to be a PS car so to speak probably more so than my car with 700 hp and all.All the discussion that has been going across the boards is getting me confused I think the build on this may have to be kept off the boards seeins how the PS anit worth looking at and should be posted in bench racing all this gets in my crawl.And if no one could care less about PS whats it all worth,nothing I guess.He and I will have a good time doing it I guess maybe I'll come back if I build a stock appearing car or PT car.....I am not going with the subfolder of PT thing and everybody kissing the mods butts so I may have to put the lap top down.I enjoy being on here and get a little to involved at times and start some $hit but all in fun.I am building another PS car and when that is done will probably start another project.I am not asking for much just a little respect...LOL...I wish it was warm out so I could put the lap top down.And remember LOL what that does...DjD I know you will have a come back for this one...

Hmm, interesting thread for sure. Well I think of Pro street as a car with big wheels in back and little wheels up front, and a motor to back it up. Pro touring is a car with big wheels all the way around, Motor may or may not back up the cars image.
Aw heck, it would be easier to show my idea of the two in pictures....
Pro street
http://www.performancerestorations.com/images/SpiroPappas.jpg



Pro touring
http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images_v2/002/617/060/20080417/dyn007_original_800_600_pjpeg_2617060_eff96026f004 49254039ff2ee4080cdb.jpg


:D:DMaybe instead of PS we could do this to my sons Chevelle....

amen, she is fat..........

I'll go with this one,cant believe I started another one yall probably can though.I will quit whining now because all in all from what I have read I have a want to be Pro-Street anyway but I built it and its what I want.

Ok with all said my thread that is {New 70 Chevelle father and son project} where should I post.It is going to be a PS car so to speak probably more so than my car with 700 hp and all.All the discussion that has been going across the boards is getting me confused I think the build on this may have to be kept off the boards seeins how the PS anit worth looking at and should be posted in bench racing all this gets in my crawl.And if no one could care less about PS whats it all worth,nothing I guess.He and I will have a good time doing it I guess maybe I'll come back if I build a stock appearing car or PT car.....I am not going with the subfolder of PT thing and everybody kissing the mods butts so I may have to put the lap top down.I enjoy being on here and get a little to involved at times and start some but all in fun.I am building another PS car and when that is done will probably start another project.I am not asking for much just a little respect...LOL...I wish it was warm out so I could put the lap top down.And remember LOL what that does...DjD I know you will have a come back for this one...

Why wait for DjD, he's on the west coast, and I'm up now and will be glad to tear you a new one :D

Why in the world would you start a new "WHINE POST" with the words I will quit whining ???

And I've completely lost track of what you are whining about at this point...
I guess you have morphed this thread (What's PS?) with your other whining thread (Where should we put "builds"??)

So... Lets try this again...
Team Camaro is a TECH forum. People ask questions about how to solve problems and get things done and fixed, and the members post answers and suggestions to get that done.

We have a "SOCIAL SECTION" we call it BENCH RACING. BENCH RACING is our natural repository for ALL THINGS NON TECH.

Certain groups have asked for and then received "SOCIAL SECTIONS" all thier own, that's fine, whatever. But don't go trying to exclude anyone from "your section" cause we don't work that way.

I've spent a certain amount of time at a forum that does work that way... It's a corvetteforum and it is organized by generations. It is very cliquey, and at least half the posts are one generation bashing another. We're not like that here. We are a "whole", a community, a BIG group of friends.

There are perhaps a thousand "constant members", people who are here a lot, daily or at least weekly, people who are involved and try to help in the tech forums whereever they can.

there are some who seem to be mostly trying to find social interaction. Sometimes this works, and sometimes it doesn't, depending on how it's done. There is a lot of social interaction here, but still, we are a tech forum.

Most of the rest are "comers and goers". People who find us on the web while searching for the answer to a problem. Many find there answer and move on, some find a home here.

So quit whining.
Fit In. With all of us, not just your chosen clique.
We are "car guys." Not restoration guys, or pro touring guys, or drag racing guys, or autocross guys, or pro street guys. CAR GUYS.

And to briefly do my own lil whine...
David C, STOP whining at the MODS! We are regular people who were asked to take an active role in this site. We don't get paid. We don't have meetings. We are people who have been here so much for so long that Al has asked us to participate in keeping the peace and keeping things organized.
EVERY TIME one of us ads something to a thread that you are part of, you start WHINING that "the mods are picking on me!"

Believe me David C. When and if you push to the point that we start picking on you, you will know it.

And so on.....

I get along with every one here dont I.I just seem to get under the skin of a few mods.Sure I got blue balls does this make me a bad person.

Dave,
Maybe I can give you a different point of view. I don't think Dennis meant PS wasn't worth looking at. I love Pro Street cars and I will be the first to say it doesn't deserve it's own section but, neither does Pro Touring. If we/they keep segmenting every little difference it just makes it harder to find posts and information (IMO). The basic sections should cover everything and does. What Pro Street or Pro Touring car doesn't have, an engine, brakes & suspension, body & paint, transmission, performance, etc... (for those that didn't notice these are all sections that are here). I can understand haviing a convertible section because all cars aren't soft tops and there are differences in the frame work. Other than that any question you have should fit in one of the "original" sections. I think in most cases Pro Street stuff fits in the Performance or suspension topics.

Now with that said I would like to see a "Drag Race" and maybe a "Road Race" section and see both Pro Touring and Pro street eliminated. To be fair both would have to be done away with. What could possibly be going on in Pro Touring that doesn't fit the "original" topics? I honestly have never looked around in Pro Touring, I have no interest in it.

Dennis did say one or two things that kind of came out or "sounded" wrong to me. He said something like Pro Touring is the "new" Pro Street. I do not agree with that at all. Pro Street cars emulate Pro Stock or drag cars. Pro Touring is really nothing new, they just changed the name. The original Pro Touring cars were called "Cafe' Racers" many of these cars had funky flared fenders, crazy paint, and big spoilers, the concept was the same though. Most Pro Touring cars are posers as well, 99% of them will never see a road course. I'm sure the argument is they are meant to be street driven and handle well. A similar thing can be said for Pro Street cars that aren't fast or never see the drag strip. They are street cars and meant to be driven on the street.

The only difference is Pro Street didn't change the name to something else as the cars evolved. I think he also said something about Pro Street being dead or dying. This will never happen and as hard as people try to kill it, it's not going to happen as long as there are rear wheel driven drag cars. It's simple fat tires give more "potential" for traction, that's why cars were tubbed to begin with. It sure beats the hell out of jacking the back of the car up and letting the tires stick out the side or cutting up the body to fit the tires (we've all seen this). Let's remember Pro Street cars aren't all Camaros. This is also true for Pro Touring but, there is a large majority that are Camaros. This is another reason the Pro Street section doesn't see as much traffic. The model demographic is MUCH larger in Pro Street.

If we are going to keep seperating based on build differences, we need to have a section for blue cars and red cars, how about for different interiors? As you can see it can get silly. It kind of kills what this site was/is all about (IMO). Everyone mingling and learning. If we are all going to hide in our own little worlds (sections) there will be a lot of useful info that isn't seen by many visitors.

That's my take on it.

I just seem to get under the skin of a few mods.

Now that is funny Dave, I hold conversations with you and you tell me I am picking on you and I hurt your feelings. I go out of my way and apologize and to explain when you say "I just don't get it" and you come back and spit in my face like my trying to help you was an attack on you... Dave I don't know where you come from with all this, none of the moderators have ever pulled the moderator card on you. You are so vocal against the moderators and how this site needs to be changed for no reason, everyone else will start to see it if they have not already, How does the proverb go? "As you make your bed, so you must lie upon it".

I don't see this thread going anywhere but downhill..........maybe it's time to lock it down.

Now that is funny Dave, I hold conversations with you and you tell me I am picking on you and I hurt your feelings. I go out of my way and apologize and to explain when you say "I just don't get it" and you come back and spit in my face like my trying to help you was an attack on you... Dave I don't know where you come from with all this, none of the moderators have ever pulled the moderator card on you. You are so vocal against the moderators and how this site needs to be changed for no reason, everyone else will start to see it if they have not already, How does the proverb go? "As you make your bed, so you must lie upon it".
My wife makes my bed and I some time get to lie in it.All I am and have been for quite some time now trying to get at is its not cool being second fiddle to PT cars.
When I visit I go to the New Posts and the PS forums and when I look at the non highlighted letters I feel insicure with my car.Remember...LOL....
Hey put it this way I'm getting to know the mods.I to have a voice and sometime it is a little out spoken but this happens.I think the mods like to argue points as much as me....
How long has the tools and shops been a forum and did the mods move the threads into it that belonged there,this doesnt happen with Pro-Street because I see alot of threads that should be PS and stay elsewhere.

I don't see this thread going anywhere but downhill..........maybe it's time to lock it down.

Do you have the POWER there are other topics you keep stopping back???

I kept going back to it because initially I thought it would be a great discussion on street vs touring, but obviously it has turned into more of a soapbox for a certain few. No, I don't have the POWER to block this thread, just MY take on it. Now if we could get back to the original premise.........

I kept going back to it because initially I thought it would be a great discussion on street vs touring, but obviously it has turned into more of a soapbox for a certain few. No, I don't have the POWER to block this thread, just MY take on it. Now if we could get back to the original premise.........
I have gone off base but you are as I,have something in common and
this quarl gos back way back and it does come to the surface time to time. I guess if it never gets changed and I am still here I will remember it and untill the mods delete the PS and PT or just put the PS in bold letters it will always be in my head.I kinda was part of the reason the PS forum is even here along with a few others.I like hanging in the PS threads to learn and try and help others.I and a few of the mods have went back and forth on the topic about 2000 posts ago so I do have a small gripe not that anyone gives a $hit. Now back to the thread I know my car is PRO-STREET and it looks ok and does have some go and I built it by myself built the frame did paint to interior.I do have input all over this board may not be what every one wants to here and this is why every one has there own keyboard...This site is growing and not falling apart I believe, and I think PS is a part may be a small part but it should get some respect.The mods may recall some of what I am saying I am not to good with names and who they were but I think I got the point accross.So if they want to stop this thread I am sure they got the power....

Mine's a Pro Street, but when I started building I didn't really set out for that look, it just sorta' happened. When I look back at some of the projects from my younger days I see a common thread running through all of them. So, maybe I've been building pro streeters' all my life and never realized it. :thumbsup:

The only "title" that makes me cringe is when some one says "Oh, your building a dragster". :noway: I say NO it's a door slammer or NO it's a door car. :confused: ..... Then I get the LQQK....... and they usually say...what's the difference. :clonk:

I guess I should just say 70 Camaro...then there would be no dispute.

{Well, except for the guy that might say, "is that a 70 1/2} :D

[quote=pro70z28;1131543]Mine's a Pro Street, but when I started building I didn't really set out for that look, it just sorta' happened. When I look back at some of the projects from my younger days I see a common thread running through all of them. So, maybe I've been building pro streeters' all my life and never realized it. :thumbsup:

The only "title" that makes me cringe is when some one says "Oh, your building a dragster". :noway: I say NO it's a door slammer or NO it's a door car. :confused: ..... Then I get the LQQK....... and they usually say...what's the difference. :clonk:

I guess I should just say 70 Camaro...then there would be no dispute.

{Well, except for the guy that might say, "is that a 70 1/2} :D[/quote
You got a memory that was the guy at my work you are referring to.

That is a term may be this could be another forum Door Slammer brings back memories from the past I love this term.

I can understand how you could get pissy about the Pro Street section being listed in small print under the Pro Touring section like it was some kind of little brother. I've wondered about that since I joined, but I'm really happy somebody even has a cool section like Pro Street at all. Pro touring is neat, but I've been a big fan of Pro streeters since I was a kid and can fondly remember back in the mid 70's when 2 local guys had identically prepared '69 Camaro PRO STREETERS pounding the pavement around here, one with a big block, the other small block. Yes, they had fat tires on the back, were tubbed, and could haul ***. I don't ever remember any kind of vans being pro streeted, and anything else that had fat tires AND were jacked up in the *** with air shocks because their tires would hit the wheelwells otherwise were called HOTRODS. Now, I realize we all don't see eye to eye on everything including cars and the same thing is called by different names across this great nation of ours, but in the end most "real" car guys know what your saying. There's the beginning of a good thread-how can you tell a "real" car guy from a "poser"? Anyways, everyone on here has been helpful so far, including you Dave, all have KILLER cars no matter what they are, and I for one look forward to having a good time on this site little brother!

I can understand how you could get pissy about the Pro Street section being listed in small print under the Pro Touring section like it was some kind of little brother. I've wondered about that since I joined, but I'm really happy somebody even has a cool section like Pro Street at all. Pro touring is neat, but I've been a big fan of Pro streeters since I was a kid and can fondly remember back in the mid 70's when 2 local guys had identically prepared '69 Camaro PRO STREETERS pounding the pavement around here, one with a big block, the other small block. Yes, they had fat tires on the back, were tubbed, and could haul ***. I don't ever remember any kind of vans being pro streeted, and anything else that had fat tires AND were jacked up in the *** with air shocks because their tires would hit the wheelwells otherwise were called HOTRODS. Now, I realize we all don't see eye to eye on everything including cars and the same thing is called by different names across this great nation of ours, but in the end most "real" car guys know what your saying. There's the beginning of a good thread-how can you tell a "real" car guy from a "poser"? Anyways, everyone on here has been helpful so far, including you Dave, all have KILLER cars no matter what they are, and I for one look forward to having a good time on this site little brother!OK just one more thought it has been mentioned here along the way as to getting rid of PT and PS how would this make you feel I personaly need the pro-street forum to keep my interest.

they need to keep both ps and pt, the guys and info that is shared is very heplful to me and my friends..

they need to keep both ps and pt, the guys and info that is shared is very heplful to me and my friends..

My whole argument here has been so miniscule and I thought would be an easy fix Pro-Street in its own form of bold letters and not look second fiddle to PT.I do thank the mods and have thanked them in the past for observing Pro-Street.

My whole argument here has been so miniscule and I thought would be an easy fix Pro-Street in its own form of bold letters and not look second fiddle to PT.I do thank the mods and have thanked them in the past for observing Pro-Street.

here's my two cents, for what it's worth. You and others asked for a pro street section and Al obliged. Now you feel it should be on equal footing, as if being listed on the same main page with pro touring and all the other forum sections is not good enough (it's not in bold letters like pro-touring).

I like both types of builds. But from a simple numbers standpoint, comparing the two forums, only since 3/10 (the date the pro street forum was started) there have been a total of 56 pro street threads started; pro touring has had app. 135 threads started in the same time period. So it seems to be 2 1/2 times as busy as the pro street section.

I understand pro street is what you're into, but sheer numbers on this board favor pro touring. Doesn't mean one is better, but I think it shows one is getting more traffic than the other. As far as moving threads into either of these forums, since I mod the high performance section a lot of them start there. Unless they're obviously in the wrong area I leave them there, rather than move them, as that section is one of the busier ones on this site and will get more traffic and hopefully more help with whatever topic is being discussed. Later, after the thread is answered and stops getting responses I try to go through and move them where they will most likely help in a future search for the same problem. I don't catch them all, and don't have enough time to go through all the old threads, so it's quite likely that I miss some that could/should be moved. Every other mod has the same issues with their section.

As far as changing the heading to bold letters and making it it's own separate section equal to pt, that's up to Al. Just remember, he works a full time job too, and has several sites to maintain. This change isn't a simple 5 second deal either. If I was Al and made a change that the members wanted, and then noticed that it caused more complaining and bickering than before I made the change (remember, no good deed goes unpunished ;)), then I'd be tempted to go back to the way things were and get rid of the issue. It's not worth the aggravation to me, but Al is a much nicer guy than I am............. :D

I gotta be honest-if this site did'nt have a Pro Street section I would'nt bother comin here.

To clarify, no sense ragging on the moderators. I"m the one with the ability to change things.
Quite simply, little like this gets accomplished by complaining in the forums as I don't read all the topics.

I generally respond well to thought out suggestions but tend to gloss over repeated complaints or outright demands.
At the time, it seemed a fine way to have the PS section included and I don't recollect anyone squawking. If the traffic picks up, no problem. Also, there was a suggestion to move the efi forum to a sub-forum and that sounds like it might be a good plan as well.

Al, I hope you are not saying I am demanding it has just been a topic amongst some of the discussions and some time gets heated with some of the mods.I think it is just subpar for us Pro-Street guys to be at least an equal forum to this site.It may get more trafic if when you scroll down the forums it would stand out.As far as PT 135 and PS 56 PT is 27 months to PS's 8 months or am I looking at this wrong.And have you looked thru the thread most do not need to be in PT in some cases they should be in PS.I dont think we need to keep score for the PS to have bold letters.I guess I should leave well enough alone this was brought up way back when and I thought it would eventualy change.

He does bring up a good point about traffic-I've told others about this site and they had a hard time finding the Pro Street section. I missed it first time around, too.

here's my two cents, for what it's worth. You and others asked for a pro street section and Al obliged. Now you feel it should be on equal footing, as if being listed on the same main page with pro touring and all the other forum sections is not good enough (it's not in bold letters like pro-touring).

I like both types of builds. But from a simple numbers standpoint, comparing the two forums, only since 3/10 (the date the pro street forum was started) there have been a total of 56 pro street threads started; pro touring has had app. 135 threads started in the same time period. So it seems to be 2 1/2 times as busy as the pro street section.

I understand pro street is what you're into, but sheer numbers on this board favor pro touring. Doesn't mean one is better, but I think it shows one is getting more traffic than the other. As far as moving threads into either of these forums, since I mod the high performance section a lot of them start there. Unless they're obviously in the wrong area I leave them there, rather than move them, as that section is one of the busier ones on this site and will get more traffic and hopefully more help with whatever topic is being discussed. Later, after the thread is answered and stops getting responses I try to go through and move them where they will most likely help in a future search for the same problem. I don't catch them all, and don't have enough time to go through all the old threads, so it's quite likely that I miss some that could/should be moved. Every other mod has the same issues with their section.

As far as changing the heading to bold letters and making it it's own separate section equal to pt, that's up to Al. Just remember, he works a full time job too, and has several sites to maintain. This change isn't a simple 5 second deal either. If I was Al and made a change that the members wanted, and then noticed that it caused more complaining and bickering than before I made the change (remember, no good deed goes unpunished ;)), then I'd be tempted to go back to the way things were and get rid of the issue. It's not worth the aggravation to me, but Al is a much nicer guy than I am............. :D


It could be argued that the reason it's 2 1/2 tp 1 is becuase people don't notice the Pro Street forum. I for one didn't even know it was there and I visit this site several times a day. It took reading a post in another thread to bring my attention that Pro Street even had a form.

My cars don't fit either "title". I don't even own a Camaro anymore. So it make no difference personally about having seperate forums/sections. Like I said before everything can be covered in the "Original" forums/sections anyway.

I will say this I have noticed Pro Touring guys coming into the Pro Street area and making silly comments. I have never been in the Pro Touring section so I don't know if it goes both ways or not.

None of it makes sense to me but, maybe that's because I'm just a car guy and I don't judge what others do.

It could be argued that the reason it's 2 1/2 tp 1 is becuase people don't notice the Pro Street forum. I for one didn't even know it was there and I visit this site several times a day. It took reading a post in another thread to bring my attention that Pro Street even had a form.

My cars don't fit either "title". I don't even own a Camaro anymore. So it make no difference personally about having seperate forums/sections. Like I said before everything can be covered in the "Original" forums/sections anyway.

I will say this I have noticed Pro Touring guys coming into the Pro Street area and making silly comments. I have never been in the Pro Touring section so I don't know if it goes both ways or not.

None of it makes sense to me but, maybe that's because I'm just a car guy and I don't judge what others do.

I am the same way. I have told friends about the prostreet forum and they cant find it. I tell them its under PT forum then they start going to it. If you could find it easier then we might have more traffic. But I aint complaining, I'm happy with what we have. I just like helping other Camaro people on the forum. I have been messing with Camaros for 30 years.

Royce, I still consider you a camaro guy !!!!!!!!!

I visit the PT section and have some input as I have some buddies that are PT guys I often say and its been several times that if I were to do another car it would be PT.May be I need to do this quick so I don't feel left out.Like I said this go's way back to when the PS forum got started.It took me some time and had to ask the PS guys where it was.I just went thru the PT forums and I saw about 53 threads that could have been posted in numorous forums but I dont understand why we are counting.

This will be my last post in this thread as it is way off the map.Lets go Pro-Street,clap,clap,clap,lets go Pro-Street.

I visit the PT section and have some input as I have some buddies that are PT guys I often say and its been several times that if I were to do another car it would be PT.May be I need to do this quick so I don't feel left out.Like I said this go's way back to when the PS forum got started.It took me some time and had to ask the PS guys where it was.I just went thru the PT forums and I saw about 53 threads that could have been posted in numorous forums but I dont understand why we are counting.

This will be my last post in this thread as it is way off the map.Lets go Pro-Street,clap,clap,clap,lets go Pro-Street.

when I gave the numbers, it was for the exact same time period as I said in my post. If you compare total numbers, it's much further off, but that's not comparing apples to apples.

I see the pro street area easily, but maybe I'm weird............ :clonk:

Jody

I am the same way. I have told friends about the prostreet forum and they cant find it. I tell them its under PT forum then they start going to it. If you could find it easier then we might have more traffic. But I aint complaining, I'm happy with what we have. I just like helping other Camaro people on the forum. I have been messing with Camaros for 30 years.

Royce, I still consider you a camaro guy !!!!!!!!! Ok one more this came during my last post.Royce has some of the badest builds I think they come mostly in the PS forums and I hope they keep coming.

Jim I liked the last post what happened this was showing your stuff.
This thread is not getting me upset I don't know about others.
I was just trying to make a small point.
I to have alot of respect for Royce and do think he fits in PS and is very knoledgable amongst other forums.

When does it end...............:sad:

When does it end...............:sad:

Seriously, this thread is so far off course you can't even see the original question anymore. We're all guilty, let's get back on track instead of beating a dead horse here.

Pro Street (my opinion) is built to look like (or be) a drag car on the street. Doesn't have to "run a number" but helps if it does.



Jody

DjD,I dont feel like your picking on me I can take it.Yall may be picking on Pro-Street though.Its all in fun I don't have thin skin....Going against my word and cant stop posting in this one but I'm trying.

DjD,I dont feel like your picking on me I can take it.Yall may be picking on Pro-Street though.Its all in fun I don't have thin skin....Going against my word and cant stop posting in this one but I'm trying.

David,

Can't you see that this is getting you nowhere. Please take my advice and stop the insanity of tryin' to screw with the mods/admins. reasons like this make me not want to visit the forums anymore as this seems to be getting out of hand. Please stop it.

with respect and sincerity,
David F.

Lets just delete this post and start a new one about ::::

What would you constitute a Pro-Street set up?

I think it is great this forum has a ProStreet section. Meaning fat tired, back-halfed cars built according to your budget. Outrageous HP, paint, and interior is great, but not all of us can afford it (or have the skills to do it).

I searched the web a fair amount and there isn't a lot out there, so this section is really unique in that respect. Similarily, there isn't a lot in books either. That makes this section even more valuable, in that it is a place that similar minded people, from all walks of life can share info and ideas.

Even better is the open mindedness of the members, as it seems open to non-Camaro ProSteet cars. And why not, there is a lot to learn from these sources.

As for the ProStreet popularity, I think it is coming back, but I'm biased. I must get 5 different car magazines a month, and there are more articles on the topic showing up.

Interesting thread.

David,

Can't you see that this is getting you nowhere. Please take my advice and stop the insanity of tryin' to screw with the mods/admins. reasons like this make me not want to visit the forums anymore as this seems to be getting out of hand. Please stop it.

with respect and sincerity,
David F. U WIN. I am with Mike cut this one off lets start fresh.I am as you can see not trying to mess with you all Mods that is.

Slow as I am at finding time to get mine done I don't consider my pro street a poser. But, I shamed myself into the go fast stuff. I started out making it look fast and then decided I better back it up or I'd have to live down why I put all that racin' stuff on a street car. :yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/pro70z28/RearEndZ.jpg



Now I think I just shamed myself into going back to work on it tomorrow. :pout:

BTW: David, That is a fine LQQKin' 69 Pro Street.


Definitely looks like a great build. I like that rear end!

You should start your own thread.

Definitely looks like a great build. I like that rear end!

You should start your own thread.

Looks very similar to a T/F or F/C .

David F.

from all the car shows I attend, I know I'm considered ProStreet.... I have around $60k'ish in my build, and routinely get classed with the $100k+ trailer-queens....most shows in this region consider Tubs the determining factor in whether it's "ProStreet" or not.... others will also class anything with "something protruding through the hood" as "ProStreet".

anyways, here's a site I like to look at occasionally.... Cars-online "Pro-Street" for sale category.... enjoy.

Cars-Online Pro Street Cars for sale (http://www.carsonline-ads.com/colsite/col?use=UC1_BrowseSite&cmd=showMenuList&menuListKey=prostreet)

from all the car shows I attend, I know I'm considered ProStreet.... I have around $60k'ish in my build, and routinely get classed with the $100k+ trailer-queens....most shows in this region consider Tubs the determining factor in whether it's "ProStreet" or not.... others will also class anything with "something protruding through the hood" as "ProStreet".

anyways, here's a site I like to look at occasionally.... Cars-online "Pro-Street" for sale category.... enjoy.

Cars-Online Pro Street Cars for sale (http://www.carsonline-ads.com/colsite/col?use=UC1_BrowseSite&cmd=showMenuList&menuListKey=prostreet)


Russ......nice Camaro...................
http://www.camaros.net/forums/image.php?u=20903&dateline=1225089612&type=profile

I sincerely hope you don't mind me posting it for others as well as myself to enjoy.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

David F.

Russ..that fits the bill for sure.Pro Street at its best.:thumbsup:

Looks very similar to a T/F or F/C .

David F.



Definitely looks like a great build. I like that rear end!

You should start your own thread


Thanks. I would start my own thread but the build is going so slow it probably would get lost. I did a little fiberglass work on the dash today. It would be nice if I had more time to work on it.

from all the car shows I attend, I know I'm considered ProStreet.... I have around $60k'ish in my build, and routinely get classed with the $100k+ trailer-queens....most shows in this region consider Tubs the determining factor in whether it's "ProStreet" or not.... others will also class anything with "something protruding through the hood" as "ProStreet".

anyways, here's a site I like to look at occasionally.... Cars-online "Pro-Street" for sale category.... enjoy.

Cars-Online Pro Street Cars for sale (http://www.carsonline-ads.com/colsite/col?use=UC1_BrowseSite&cmd=showMenuList&menuListKey=prostreet)
Let me start buy saying VERY NICE car Russ.

Its a brand new day all the other junk in this thread is in the past I hope and I am sure we all feel the same as I appologize for my rong doings.

Thanks David for posting Russ's pic it is one fine 69.

Russ thanks for the link to the Pro-Street cars.
Q: have you looked at some of the cars are they all do you think concidered PS cars just curious on the take on this one or others input.

Last:Is this link PT or PS it is listed on Ebay under PT Camaro but if you put 15" wheels on it what would it be.This is one of the best looking 69's I have ever seen [one of that is]the only thing that does not appeal to me much is to much color on the engine.Check it out its pretty nice;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-CAMARO-RS-SS-PRO-TOURING-CUSTOM-540CI-750-HP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a727Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1 Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem26 0340322021QQitemZ260340322021QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTruc ks
Again these are all just opinions about cars no one personal...
I hope we are back on track....

Thanks. I would start my own thread but the build is going so slow it probably would get lost. I did a little fiberglass work on the dash today. It would be nice if I had more time to work on it.
Gary,This may be a time to try out a blog and see how it works.I may try it with my sons Chevelle if it gets going.I am not the best with a computer and am not sure how the blogs work.It was mentioned on TC to try it out it might be the right place for you to keep all on one thread. It may not get lost in a blog not sure if its for you just thought I would mention it.And I would like to have a build that I could follow in the blogs to see my self.

Hey,great looking stuff keep it up and keep us posted.Cant weight to see the final product.

Last:Is this link PT or PS it is listed on Ebay under PT Camaro but if you put 15" wheels on it what would it be.This is one of the best looking 69's I have ever seen [one of that is]the only thing that does not appeal to me much is to much color on the engine.Check it out its pretty nice;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-CAMARO-RS-SS-PRO-TOURING-CUSTOM-540CI-750-HP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a727Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1 Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem26 0340322021QQitemZ260340322021QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTruc ks


I would say it was a pro street car that was converted to look like pro touring with Airride suspension and larger diameter wheels. I don't think it's going to be something you want to run around a road course in............. :noway: I've seen more and more of this the last couple years. Very nice quality.

Jody

I'd call it Pro Billet! Or Pro Street Touring.......it is a very nice '69 whatever you label it.

I would say it was a pro street car that was converted to look like pro touring with Airride suspension and larger diameter wheels. I don't think it's going to be something you want to run around a road course in............. :noway: I've seen more and more of this the last couple years. Very nice quality.

Jody

I think Jody nailed the description of that Camaro perfectly. Btw Jody, Mali2ude is awesome:yes:. Very impressive:thumbsup::thumbsup:.................... .....


http://camcojb.com/mali2ude/_LEAD.jpg


David F.

very nice chevelle...

I think Jody nailed the description of that Camaro perfectly. Btw Jody, Mali2ude is awesome:yes:. Very impressive:thumbsup::thumbsup:.................... .....


http://camcojb.com/mali2ude/_LEAD.jpg


David F.

Yes very nice Chevelle

thanks guys, I really like that rendering.

Jody

Yes very nice Chevelle
Very nice Chevelle,are the wheels American Racing my son would like to get these for his 70 Chevelle do you have a round about $$ figure and where you got them.Thanks Jody....

Very nice Chevelle,are the wheels American Racing my son would like to get these for his 70 Chevelle do you have a round about $$ figure and where you got them.Thanks Jodi....


those are Vintage Wheels (http://www.vintagewheelworks.com/products/wheels)

I bought them direct from Vintage.

Jody

those are Vintage Wheels (http://www.vintagewheelworks.com/products/wheels)

I bought them direct from Vintage.

Jody
Thanks Jody,Vintage are pretty high rent do you think they are more expensive than American.Thanks again...

Gary,This may be a time to try out a blog and see how it works.I may try it with my sons Chevelle if it gets going.I am not the best with a computer and am not sure how the blogs work.It was mentioned on TC to try it out it might be the right place for you to keep all on one thread. It may not get lost in a blog not sure if its for you just thought I would mention it.And I would like to have a build that I could follow in the blogs to see my self.

Hey,great looking stuff keep it up and keep us posted.Cant weight to see the final product.
Thanks Dave. I'd feel better if I could contribute to it on a regular basis. Maybe I'll look into it anyway as long as build time isn't an issue.

Thanks Jody,Vintage are pretty high rent do you think they are more expensive than American.Thanks again...

American didn't have a 17 X 11 in a cast finish, only the TTII's which are polished. Was going for the older look.

Jody

Crap... my buddy listed this car on ebay as PS and PT dependent on wheels and a name. I figure it's a Hot Rod :yes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Cool-1968-Camaro_W0QQitemZ130279161614QQihZ003QQcategoryZ616 1QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And for Jody, don't forget we know where you got the inspiration for the new color of Malitude :D

That radiator overflow "can" is awesome !!!!!!

Pro St is a big tire, tubbed rear, bottom line. Some people have a big motor and call it a Pro St, no way with out the tubs and tires. I'm tired of seeing people call their car a Pro St with out the meats. Also, in this thread, people are talking about Pro Touring cars. Another waste of ruining a muscle car. "Muscle car" means just that, muscle. Most Pro Touring are just looks anyway. Goofy tires, goofy rims. What a way to waste a muscle car. Pro Touring takes the muscle out of classic cars. I hope its only a short lived trend. Stop wasting muscle cars!

Is my Camaro Pro-Street you think?What do you think of Pro-Street I was kinda gettin mixed feelings from your post.I myself get drawn to just about any big tire car its just something about them..I have had a few debates on here that have gotten a little heated but its all in fun....

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii15/davidcalligan/PICT0536.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii15/davidcalligan/PICT0544.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii15/davidcalligan/PICT0535.jpg

And I'm gettin fixed to build another with my son who is 14 and he is keyed up about it..

OK i love Pro-Street all the way, but i don't have one... So when i get tiered of the small tire look and lack of traction then i will start cutting this thing up, heck by that time i will already have my drive train setup and ready for some fat a$$ tires...

Oh and Dave your car look awesome :yes:.

OK i love Pro-Street all the way, but i don't have one... So when i get tiered of the small tire look and lack of traction then i will start cutting this thing up, heck by that time i will already have my drive train setup and ready for some fat a$$ tires...

Oh and Dave your car look awesome :yes:.Your car is to nice to cut Skip dont you dare.....

Your car is to nice to cut Skip dont you dare.....Oh thanks Dave, then you Pro-Street guys are gonna have to bend the rules just a little. Cant we just call our cars the want to bees Pro-Street with lots of potential :beers:.
Big cubes with small tires with big attitude .

Oh thanks Dave, then you Pro-Street guys are gonna have to bend the rules just a little. Cant we just call our cars the want to bees Pro-Street with lots of potential :beers:.
Big cubes with small tires with big attitude .

Why not call them what they are Street Cars or Street/Strip cars? You do have a very nice car, just mini tub it and be done with it. There is a guy in the 6's on drag radials these days. 7's are common for drag radials now. I love big tire cars too and if that's the look you want then go for it, you just don't "need" that much rubber on the ground to hook up.

Nice car Dave!! Oh and yes that is Pro Street no doubt.

Why not call them what they are Street Cars or Street/Strip cars? You do have a very nice car, just mini tub it and be done with it. There is a guy in the 6's on drag radials these days. 7's are common for drag radials now. I love big tire cars too and if that's the look you want then go for it, you just don't "need" that much rubber on the ground to hook up.

Nice car Dave!! Oh and yes that is Pro Street no doubt.Royce that blower motor sounds nasty...

[quote=camaroman7d;115

Nice car Dave!! Oh and yes that is Pro Street no doubt.[/quote]


x2^.Fits the bill nicely imho.:hurray::cool::cool:

Royce that blower motor sounds nasty...

It's a lot of fun. Can't wait to finish the Buick so I can enjoy it some more. should be out and about this Spring.

Royce that blower motor sounds nasty...

Skip..Royce has some blower roll going on there for sure.Easily tuned out but why would you.It flat out rocks and rolls and I bet his throttle responce is immediate and violent.I know mine is..with a 200 rpm surge.:thumbsup:

As a former pro-street owner, I'm always going like big tire cars -- I hope the pro-street style stays with us for a long time and stays separate from the "pro-touring" look

As a former pro-street owner, I'm always going like big tire cars -- I hope the pro-street style stays with us for a long time and stays separate from the "pro-touring" look

I would like to see more late model Pro Street like the current Monte Carlo or a Cobalt.

David F.

I took this yesterday...

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/skeeter55/SacCarShowpics035.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/skeeter55/SacCarShowpics029.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/skeeter55/SacCarShowpics034.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/skeeter55/SacCarShowpics074.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/skeeter55/SacCarShowpics072.jpg

Don't forget Daisey Dukes..
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r216/skeeter55/SacCarShowpics066.jpg

Nice:yes::D.

David F.

That hood on that chevy II got to go!

That hood on that chevy II got to go!


I agree, hood sucks.

1st start of the "ProStreet" for 2009.....
still a little cold here, so it's surging pretty good until warm-up'ed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mGuOoBaNVc

Thats awesome, you guys have all the toys.

x2^.Fits the bill nicely imho.:hurray::cool::cool:Thanks for the compliment,aint been here for a few days computer caught a cold...$130 doctor apointment with the Geek Squad like to have a page out of his book...

computer caught a cold...$130 doctor apointment with the Geek Squad like to have a page out of his book...

Dave..............I say we Pro Street the Geek Squad rides:yes:.What do you think........................

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2635436086_6280b89e4a.jpg?v=0

David F.

Dave..............I say we Pro Street the Geek Squad rides:yes:.What do you think........................

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2635436086_6280b89e4a.jpg?v=0

David F.I missed this post I have a 98 Beetle for my daily driver for work.I am 6'-5" 300lb's and needless to say some of the plumber pipefitter guys I work with get quite a laugh but it is a comfortable ride for me...

...Brian if you stop by here how tall are you I am 6'-5" no offence to your PT thread just couldn't let you all have all the fun.

Wow, Can't believe I missed this thread until now!! Sorry Dave! :o But to answer your height question, I am 6'-8" and 270 LBS. I've figured after going through all the post on these 2 threads that mine will be a 'resto-mod'. PS and PT would require way more $$ than I can afford. I do worry about me fitting in this car after I am done however. My intereior is completely gutted now to refinish it and when I was putting the steering column back in it a few weeks ago, I was sitting on the floor pan (where the seat frame floor supports are) and when I sat up straight for a second I cracked my head on the roof hard. And that was WITHOUT a seat in it. I did sit in my buddy Nick's Z (Daytona yellow 69 Z/28) and remember it to be a little tight but not that bad. I'm really enjoying rebuilding the car back up from the shell -I just hope I can enjoy driving it after I'm done! :yes:

Brian
Sounds like your would be a condidate for some nice Kirkey aluminum seats sitting on the floor boards for clearence! With new springs and foam in my stock seats the top of my helmet touhes my headliner.

I used Scat 2000 and it is a little tight for me.I just lean back like the song.....

hey, different strokes for different folks,as sly stone once sang.but if you want "BADASS", prostreet is the look.

hey, different strokes for different folks,as sly stone once sang.but if you want "BADASS", prostreet is the look.
Ever since I was a kid the big tire cars took my eye.....