I was wondering if anyone could throw out thoughts on what I may be missing/getting into here. I have a completly rebuilt 69 muncie 4-speed. What would I need to watch out for sticking it into a 67 camaro?

Do I run the 69 camaro shifter or the 67 camaro shifter?

Will it affect the console with the 69 shifter?

Thanks!

If you have a Muncie in the car now there is nothing that needs to be changed. Use all the 67 stuff.

I dont have a muncie in the car now--its a powerglide car. I have bell, pedals, z-bar etc,hurst shifter, basically everything for a 69 tranny wise.
I have a factory 67 console for the car also. I would rather use the 69 hurst shifter, but not sure how that will affect my console. I want to cut the hole in the tunnel where the 67 hole should be, I actually have the tunnel from another 67 to measure off of and to rob the reinforcement ring from.

Unless your powerglide car has a column shift, the existing hole is correct for the Muncie. I have an identical conversion. If you want all the console pieces to work, I think you will have to stick with the factory 67 shifter. I had a Hurst competition plus in mine for a while, but couldn't get it "centered" in the console. One other thing that is different is I believe that the 69 muncie has studs in the shifters (where the linkage attaches), as opposed to the 67 that has bolts that go thru the shifter. It seems that I had to get creative with the linkage plates (at the transmission), but I don't remember the specifics.

I was wondering if anyone could throw out thoughts on what I may be missing/getting into here. I have a completly rebuilt 69 muncie 4-speed. What would I need to watch out for sticking it into a 67 camaro?

Do I run the 69 camaro shifter or the 67 camaro shifter?

Will it affect the console with the 69 shifter?

Thanks!

I have a 69 Muncie m20 and I plan on putting it in my 67. It has studs for linkage instead of bolts like on a 67. I believe as long as ya use 67 linkage and shifter I think it will be ok. I could be wrong. Also the 69 trannys have the 1" countershaft instead of 7/8" for earlier years.

Fyi the speedometer on camaro muncie's is on passenger side other muncie's are driver side. I dont know if this presents any problems if you have one thats DS.

Since you're converting a 'glide to a 4-speed, I'm assuming you're talking about the "over the counter" aftermarket Hurst shifter bits rather than a factory setup.

In that case, the 67-69 camaro uses the same shifter assembly (3914340) but 67/68 use a different stick (5384106) than the 69 (5387436). 67/68 also use a different mounting plate and install kit than 69. You're definitely going to want to use the 67/68 shifter handle to clear the console, so the question is on the install kit/mounting plate.

I'm about 90% sure the 67/68 hurst kit still mounts the shifter to the crossmember rather than the trans (just like stock) which can cause some linkage issues when the driveline twists up. As such, the 69-style is preferred since it mounts directly to the trans, but I don't know how this would effect the shifter position in the console (not sure how close the 67-8-9 shifter positioning is, which is the root of your question I think...)

On the up-side, since the 67/68 shifter mounts to the crossmember, it'll fit your 69 trans just fine (or at least, as good as it would on a real 67 trans).

Unless your powerglide car has a column shift, the existing hole is correct for the Muncie. I have an identical conversion. If you want all the console pieces to work, I think you will have to stick with the factory 67 shifter. I had a Hurst competition plus in mine for a while, but couldn't get it "centered" in the console. One other thing that is different is I believe that the 69 muncie has studs in the shifters (where the linkage attaches), as opposed to the 67 that has bolts that go thru the shifter. It seems that I had to get creative with the linkage plates (at the transmission), but I don't remember the specifics.

Thanks, this is the kinda info Im looking for.

I have a 69 Muncie m20 and I plan on putting it in my 67. It has studs for linkage instead of bolts like on a 67. I believe as long as ya use 67 linkage and shifter I think it will be ok. I could be wrong. Also the 69 trannys have the 1" countershaft instead of 7/8" for earlier years.


Fyi the speedometer on camaro muncie's is on passenger side other muncie's are driver side. I dont know if this presents any problems if you have one thats DS.

Thanks Mike-- I want to use the existing 69 hurst shifter I have-- If possible. Looks like Tom thinks I can if I use the 67 handle? Im fine with the speedo cable on the pass. side, Im just going to run a new one thats right for the application.

Since you're converting a 'glide to a 4-speed, I'm assuming you're talking about the "over the counter" aftermarket Hurst shifter bits rather than a factory setup

In that case, the 67-69 camaro uses the same shifter assembly (3914340) but 67/68 use a different stick (5384106) than the 69 (5387436). 67/68 also use a different mounting plate and install kit than 69. You're definitely going to want to use the 67/68 shifter handle to clear the console, so the question is on the install kit/mounting plate.


I'm about 90% sure the 67/68 hurst kit still mounts the shifter to the crossmember rather than the trans (just like stock) which can cause some linkage issues when the driveline twists up. As such, the 69-style is preferred since it mounts directly to the trans, but I don't know how this would effect the shifter position in the console (not sure how close the 67-8-9 shifter positioning is, which is the root of your question I think...)

On the up-side, since the 67/68 shifter mounts to the crossmember, it'll fit your 69 trans just fine (or at least, as good as it would on a real 67 trans).

Im pretty sure that the 67 hurst shifter(over the counter style) does not mount to the crossmember, it has a large clamp that clamps it to the tail housing. The 69 has that bracket that bolts to the tail housing then the shifter bolts to it. Is this right?

Thanks Tom!

"Quote--In that case, the 67-69 camaro uses the same shifter assembly (3914340) but 67/68 use a different stick (5384106) than the 69 (5387436). 67/68 also use a different mounting plate and install kit than 69. You're definitely going to want to use the 67/68 shifter handle to clear the console, so the question is on the install kit/mounting plate." This is a quote from Tom above, I some how screwed this up trying to split his post up????

This is good to know! I think you are exactly right, the handle on the 67 has a large offset. If Im reading this right...all the 69 stuff I have will work, I just need the 67 handle. Assuming the way the 2 mount to the trans does not throw things off??

The 67/68 versus 69 handle is not vastly different, but I had some issues with the 67/68 handle contacting the console in my 69 (albeit with a TKO600). I'd be a little worried about the 69 shifter handle on a 67/68, but if you already have the 69 parts, I'd bolt them up first and see if it all clears, then pick up the 67/68 handle if it's an issue. Here is my old post with pics and comparisons on the two handles:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114270

As far as the mounting brackets, here's the 67/68 mount (117-5284, part of install kit 373-4529):
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/huu-1175284-59_w.jpg (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HUU-1175284-59&N=700+115&autoview=sku)

And here's the 69 mount (195-0164, part of install kit 373-7437):
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/huu-1950164_w.jpg (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HUU-1950164&N=700+115&autoview=sku)

I think you're right about it clamping to the tail housing as well as being under the trans mount (I remember it was different and a bit sloppier, but can't remember exactly how it mounts up)

I'm also (vaguely) remembering that the 69 muncie is different where the trans arms attatch to the trans, so the 67/68 kit may not work with the 69 trans anyway (?). I know 69+ uses bolts versus studs/nuts on the earlier models.

Might want to try contacting Crash (crashent here) I know he's helped several folks with different trans/mount combos....

Why go all through this crap when a GOOD '68/'68 Muncie shifter in a stock console will do fine!

I lead the "H" like this..

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.../..l

It only take's like a 1/2 a thread to a thread on each rod to allow it to slide from 2nd, up and over into 3rd great by me!

AND make darn sure you have good tight motor mounts b/c the engine torque will affect it.

And CLEAN and lubed up good!

pdq67

Also the 69 trannys have the 1" countershaft instead of 7/8" for earlier years 63-65 are the ones with the 7/8 countershaft. Also good to make sure you have the later side cover with the nailhead type pivot pin in the center. The real early ones with the pressed in pin had a bad habit of letting the pin fall inside the trans and cause all kinds of nasty stuff to happen. By 67 that was just a bad memory but since alot of Muncies have had parts swapped around over the years it's always a good idea to check.