I am interested in buying this 69 Z 28, but want to make sure that I don't end up with the Green Z28. Here is what the seeler has told me so far. I will post pictures as soon as he sends them to me. Thanks

Trim tag:
Build date: 04C
Trim & plant: X33 Norwood
Paint: 69 B (Cortez Silver with black vinyl)
Interior: 711 (Black std)

Motor:
Numbers matching
Bore +0.030 during fresh rebuild
NOS TRW pistons – correct parts throughout
Solid lifters
Motor casting: 3956618
Motor date code: B179
Motor stamp: V0412DZ
VIN stamped by oil filter
Head casting: 3927186
Head date codes: B289 & B259
Correct OE replacement DZ carb

Transmission:
Factory Muncie M22
Trans Stamp: P9C18C
VIN stamped on transmission
Transmission has never been apart
Correct shifter assy
Correct bellhousing
No cuts in floor – all original and in mint condition

Axle:
Axle stamp: BV0414G1 – Special order 4:10 ratio
Rebuilt with original parts throughout
New OE leafs as originals were cracked from 25 years of sitting

Other correct cast and dated:
Alternator
Intake manifold
All pulleys
Clutch fan assy
Master cylinder and all prop valves etc
Distributor

Options:
Tilt wheel
Speed warning indicator
Low fuel indicator
Shoulder harness

Notes:
All gauges and accessories function
Original heater hoses and clamps (with molded ends) are in place and have never been removed from firewall
Original fan shroud & decal
Original cowl induction air cleaner assy & decal
Original carpet
Original seat covers
Original headliner
Original sheet metal with mostly original lacquer paint
- Car had a minor left fender crease and was replaced with a NOS fender in 1975
- Minor other spot repairs
54,251 original miles documented with title
3 owner car
- Original owner bought new
- Second owner bought in 1971, drove until 1982, and stored until
- Third and current owner bought in 2008
Protect-o-plate included with car

Sounds like a nice car! How do you know the intake (and pistons for that matter) is the correct cast date? You can't see it until it is removed from the engine and the splash pan is removed as well.

Does anyone know how I can post a picture? Thanks

some pic posting ideas are in my signature. Im also moving this to Tag section.

I'd need to see a clear pic of the engine pad......

Here are some pictures. I hope this works?
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/DSCN2609.jpg
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/P1000145.jpg
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Good that worked. Here are a few more. I sure hope this is the real deal because so far it looks too good to be true. I have been lookeing for a car like this for as long as I can rememeber and it is not very far away from me. Kind of like a fairy tale. If it is legit I will go look at it. Just need to make sure as the story of the Green Z kind of spooked me for sure.

If you know what you think it is worth please let me know. Thanks

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/DSCN2603.jpg

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/P1000148.jpg

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Hey Jim thanks for the tip it wasn't that hard to post the pics just took a bit of time. As soon as I get more pictures showing the VIN and Cowl Tag I will post them. Also should have some exterior shots as well. If it is it claims to be, what is the ball park range for a car like this? Please note I will be paying in Canadian funds.( Monopoly Money)

It is suppossed to be original paint and never really been messed with?

Nice pictures so far and good subject matter. Hopefully, the car will match the engine pictures.
Carb airhorn info?

My question is the fuel bowl screws - I would have thought they would have been slotted rather than hex heads? Slotted being time period correct.

I need a better pic of the pad than that to tell. Who was the selling dealer listed on the POP?

If you're dropping this much coin, have Jerry M look at it.......

I'm wondering about the floor, is the hole for the shifter cut with a torch or was it stamped or die cut.

I dont see that you posted the actual VIN number yet.. that should correlate to the Trim Tag to confirm both are in the same build time.

My Norwood 04C X77 has original heads dated C6 and C7, a 388 block dated C18, and stamped V0402DZ. I'm sceptical of the block...

Mike,
Brings back memories......

As excited as you are don't send any $ to "hold" the car until you lay your eyes on it. I see your from BC and you mention the car is not to far from you. I had some conversations with a scam artist a few years back that lived in BC. He had pictures and could talk the talk. I had two conversations with him over the phone. Pictures showed a '69 RS/SS BB convertible at a very reasonable price. I started digging and trying do a background check on him, lucky for me a member of TC that I emailed warned me about this guy. Problem was he didn't have the car, he just wanted a large deposit. Still have his name and number and hometown. (no I didn't send any $)

Just be careful...... Hope it's what your looking for.
Doug

I need a better pic of the pad than that to tell. Who was the selling dealer listed on the POP?

If you're dropping this much coin, have Jerry M look at it.......

PoP has Tri County Chevrolet, 33 W Kemp Rd, Cant make out if its Cincinatti zip is 45246, sold to Bruce Tomkins, 5 - 28 or 23 - 69

I cant see if Mike posted this picture. Work Computer is not allowing pics to show up. Anyway, is this the partial VIN by the Oil filter/

Hey guys good work thanks for the info.

Hey leadfoot69 why do you suspect the block?

Hey Doug Can you PM me the BC seller info so we can compare?

Here is another picture of the POP

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/P1000146.jpg

Looks like a very nice car.

Hey Doug Can you PM me the BC seller info so we can compare?

PM sent...

PM sent...
If your not sure the guy is a scammer, I can see why you are keeping it on a PM.

But if the guys name is Kurtis Eugene Pomerleau from Kelowna, B.C., stay away!

If your not sure the guy is a scammer, I can see why you are keeping it on a PM.

But if the guys name is Kurtis Eugene Pomerleau from Kelowna, B.C., stay away!

James,
I agree 110%.

Hey guys good news Kurtis Eugene Pomerleau from Kelowna, B.C is not the guy I am dealing with. Kelowna is 5 miles away. As soon as I get the other pictures I am waiting for I will post them. So far it does look good, but there have been a few Motor VIN concerns. What ever those concerns I would more details. Thanks guys, we have some great detectives on the case.

Here are some more pictures of the car. Let me know what you think.

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/0ebf197205c00fc6e0aac7261a8c1bdc.jpg

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/177540c7bcb8db31697b601642eac8d4.jpg

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I good pic of the engine pad with the camera set on Macro and a good pic of the trim tag would go a long way.

Mike, are these the latest pics the owner sent?

Do I see an automatic shifter rod in the photo of the steering box?

Please correct me if i'm wrong.....

I think that is lock out reverse.

These are the latest pictures from the owner. Hopefully this info will answer the question to authenticity?

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/trimtag.jpg

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/vintag.jpg

From what I can tell the Transmission and motor have the same VIN. Looks like everything checks out. Is this enough info to assume that the car is legit?

No expert on tags, but that Dum Dum looks legit!

Mike,
I don't claim to be an expert but everything looks good to me, nice looking car.

Check the alt. and the dist. for originality also as these are high dollar parts.

As Charley stated though you need a close-up of the pad stamping. A block casting date wouldn't hurt either.

Doug

Here is the stamp by the oil filter showing the same VIN. Same VIN on transmission. How do I match the other components? Alt, Distributor etc.

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/DSCN2609.jpg

There is no VIN on the block where the engine code is.

VIN's are not going to be stamped on the accessories, I would imagine a date code of before the engine build would be the evidence needed.

Damn that's almost exactly the same as my old Z/28 that's been discussed here when the new owner was found. Same build date, same color combo, M22 trans, even almost the same miles on it. Only difference is mine has a houndstooth interior.

Mike,
I don't claim to be an expert but everything looks good to me, nice looking car.

Check the alt. and the dist. for originality also as these are high dollar parts.

As Charley stated though you need a close-up of the pad stamping. A block casting date wouldn't hurt either.

Doug

Doug, the engine was mentioned in first post. Looks to line up to me. i'm Not an expert either.

Motor:
Numbers matching
Bore +0.030 during fresh rebuild
NOS TRW pistons – correct parts throughout
Solid lifters
Motor casting: 3956618
Motor date code: B179
Motor stamp: V0412DZ
VIN stamped by oil filter
Head casting: 3927186
Head date codes: B289 & B259
Correct OE replacement DZ carb


Mike, I think the next thing to do is take it for a drive. Enlist in some help to get eyes on it and do some crawling around if the owner wont mind.

I'm in Westbank/Kelowna this weekend if you need me to take a few more pictures. Not an expert on decoding but happy to help if i can. thks

Nice pictures so far and good subject matter. Hopefully, the car will match the engine pictures.
Carb airhorn info?

My question is the fuel bowl screws - I would have thought they would have been slotted rather than hex heads? Slotted being time period correct.

Says replacement OE carb, so hex head screws would make sense

Jimmy V.

The only think we haven't seen is the engine assembly stamping on the front pad. All else looks great to me, but the time between engine casting and engine assembly seems a bit long.... but there may be reasons for this. Go see the car, and buy it if it is reasonable.... The photos you've sent look great, and appear as an original car to me, although it looks almost *too good*.. maybe could be an older restoration..?

I take it that there were 2 locations where the VIN would get stamped on the motor. Either on the front of the block deck or the oil filter position. I was not aware of the 2nd location before. So far the car seems to be checking out. I will look at it this weekend and take some pictures and post them.

Here is the stamp by the oil filter showing the same VIN. Same VIN on transmission. How do I match the other components? Alt, Distributor etc.

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww84/1969z28freak/DSCN2609.jpg

I wish the stamping in the rough casting was this easy to see on my block, is this picture with the motor in the car?

Good question Peter. I am not sure when that picture was taken. I am curious why there is no engine assembly stamping on the front pad? All of the motors I have seen have had the stamp in that location.

no bellhousing on that engine......pic was taken more than likely when it was out of the car.

Hey Jimmy Z that care came from your area. Sold at Tr-City Chevrolet. Are you familiar with it?

That was a miserable trans pic. I don't have any warm fuzzies about this one yet without better pics...

Mike, I have a known original DZ block that is approx. 1,200 cars earlier on the vin and the stamp date is VO414DZ, cast D-10-9 ( April 69), I think it a little strange that this survivour block is stamped 2 days earlier but the cast date is B-17-9 ( Feb 17/69 ). This is quite a time lapse between cast to build date when you compare it to my dates. hmmm?
I compared the pad you posted and although the picture is not the greatest, I expanded your picture and there appears to be the same irregularities with the stamp.
As Kurt posted before - a better picture of the pad is needed.

Hey Calgary RSZ I am curious about the motor stampings. Where did you find the date codes? Also any pics of your car that I could compare?

Hey Calgary RSZ I am curious about the motor stampings. Where did you find the date codes? Also any pics of your car that I could compare?

Hi Mike, You posted the cast date in your first post B-17-9, it is behind the passenger cylinder head BTW. Sorry no pictures of my car, I can not post them.

I looked the pictures but I couldn't find it?

I looked the pictures but I couldn't find it?

Mike, You did not post any pictures of the cast date, the B-17-9 was in your info from the first post.

Ah yes got it thanks

Mike, I sent you a PM

PoP has Tri County Chevrolet, 33 W Kemp Rd, Cant make out if its Cincinatti zip is 45246, sold to Bruce Tomkins, 5 - 28 or 23 - 69

go to zillow.com They have most homes in the U.S. in their database. The POP should have the address of the purchaser. Type in your own home just to check it out. Then try and find the home of the person who bought this car. I realize that some homes may have been destroyed for commercial reasons, but most homes standing in 1969 are still there. Almost all fake POP's that I have seen have a fake address that cannot be traced.

If you can't find it on zillow, but want to dig further, you can figure out what county the home is in. Call that county clerk, or registrar of deeds (terminology varies by state) and tell them you need to verify the owner of the home at that address in 1969. Most of the clerks are very helpful. There may be a nominal charge, and you may have to make the request by mail. Still, it is well worth it if you find out the POP was faked. If someone went to that trouble, then what else was faked? I am NOT saying this one is a fake, just giving a procedure to help figure it out.

Good luck.

Great advice Lynn.

Hi Lynn thanks for the info. Unfortunatly the address does not have a house number. It is just a rural route and town. Looks like I am out of luck on that one.

Hi Lynn. The dealership exists. It is no loner Tri State Chevrolet it is now Sweeny Jakes Auto Dealer.

Hi Lynn there is a rural route 50 in Milford OH wish I had a street number.

Here are some Bruce Tomkins in Ohio. Second one on the list is age 63 and lives in Cincinatti. Might be worth a call.
http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Bruce&mn=&ln=Tompkins&city=&state=OH&criteria=Bruce;;;;Tompkins;;;;OH;;;;;;

Hi Lynn there is a rural route 50 in Milford OH wish I had a street number.

Mike:

I know you already posted a pic of the POP, but you might try getting some good close ups with your camara on "macro" and send those to Kurt via private message, or just post it. He may be able to help you determine if it is legit. There are some other guys here that can spot a fake. I have actually looked at very few original POP's. The only one I ever had in my possession came with a silver 69 Z/28 that I bought out of a salvage pool in 1971. POP was in the glove box. I still remember the guy's name, because it turned out I knew the car from high school. The guy had installed a xram set up. So... what did I do with that POP? Of course I pitched it in the trash. Doh!