Found a 1969 COPO car in a BARN. The guy bought this car new. The motor is in the car and the only thing that looks like it has been changed are the valve covers, he said that he has the somewhere. Going to look at the car again tomorrow and check numbers out and take pictures. Will most likley need most sheet metal replaced (WITH GM PARTS) What is car worth? (I will not have to pay to have restored can do all work myself) He also said he has the bill of sale and window sticker.

The burnish brown copo project went for 50k. Really need pics to tell for sure, also make sure it is real! :)

Rich

He is asking $35,000 car was white I think....He has old pictures and I take some and post tomorrow.

69 Copo, Original owner, Original engine, and documentation. Wow. Even needing a complete resto 35k is a no brainer.

Can I have it? Please? Jeff

Bill, you've got no more than 24 hours to get that car on your trailer or you will lose it like the guy on here who spent so much time checking out a legitimate '69 Trans-Am, he lost the deal. What happened is the sellers freind stepped in and "educated" the seller as to the true value of the car. CHECK OUT THE NUMBERS ON THE DRIVETRAIN AND DO THE DEAL NOW!!!!!

Hurry up and buy it!! I bet the hunt is on already. check the motor at home, Look at bill of sale and window sticker. Its still worth if it was a roller.

So you confirmed it is a COPO with original driveline, for $35K, and you left without it, why??

That is an awesome deal. Buy It. Please keep us posted.

Bill,
I think i would take the advice given on here if you are at all in a position to fork over the money. It does seem time and again that there is a very small window to pull off a deal like this. Word gets out somehow and what was a smokin deal goes away when the seller realizes what he has. All it would take is for him to decide to throw it on ebay and its all over. Make the deal now!

Good luck!!

Bill, you've got no more than 24 hours to get that car on your trailer or you will lose it like the guy on here who spent so much time checking out a legitimate '69 Trans-Am, he lost the deal. What happened is the sellers freind stepped in and "educated" the seller as to the true value of the car. CHECK OUT THE NUMBERS ON THE DRIVETRAIN AND DO THE DEAL NOW!!!!!

Sage ADVICE, as long as you can prove it is a real COPO.
Rich

I'm on Google Earth scouring the barns around Bidwell as we speak!!

I'm on Google Earth scouring the barns around Bidwell as we speak!!

That should take about 10 minutes. You see the size of Bidwell?

can you post the lat. and long. of the location of the barn?? my gps is not working to good!!!!!!!!!!

I am the almost-Trans Am-owner referred to...you need to show up with cash and a trailer today. Verify the car and get it off the property.

In my case, the Trans Am owner delayed and delayed and delayed. I couldn't get him to commit to meeting in person...by the time he did, his friend had talked him out of selling...I should have pushed harder to meet.

B...t


Bill, you've got no more than 24 hours to get that car on your trailer or you will lose it like the guy on here who spent so much time checking out a legitimate '69 Trans-Am, he lost the deal. What happened is the sellers freind stepped in and "educated" the seller as to the true value of the car. CHECK OUT THE NUMBERS ON THE DRIVETRAIN AND DO THE DEAL NOW!!!!!

Obviously you really don't want the car or to spend the $35,000. Anyone who comes on a Camaro Web site and gives out that information, BEFORE he has it safely tucked away is asking for it to be taken by someone else.
I found that out the hard way on another web site with a rare item I wasn't sure about authenticity. I let one too many details out and someone on the site lived 10 miles from the seller and he went and bought it within an hour of my posting. He came back to gloat as well.
You never know who is out there lurking.

I would come down and help you confirm it......I am dangerously close to Bidwell Ohio....

I have bought two new Harley's there.

Obviously you really don't want the car or to spend the $35,000. Anyone who comes on a Camaro Web site and gives out that information, BEFORE he has it safely tucked away is asking for it to be taken by someone else..

I dont know that i would neccessarily go that far. While it could be true a lot of people who havent been through it first hand or heard the stories of others who have may not realize how ugly and viscious it can get. You even admitted yourself that you did the very same thing not realizing the mistake you were making by airing it out in public before securing it. Could be the same situation here.

I have lost more than one COPO by not pulling the trigger when I knew but wasn't quite sure of what the car was...

soooooo....?

is the car in your garage?

any pics of the "barn" while it was still there?

drooling with anticipation

He was going to look this morning. Pretty sure he will post tonight.

Here's what I don't get. The guy is selling a car he knows is a COPO with the original drive train for 35K? It doesn't make since with all the press in the past 6 years as to the worth of these all origianl muscle cars, if it is a COPO then he would know it's worth a lot more than 35K.
If he doesn't know it's a COPO then he wouldn't be asking more than 10K for an all original 69 in need of that much work.
I would proceed with caution...doesn't add up. In im opinion I would rather have lost a chance at buying a COPO than having spent 35K on a 8K car.

Just my 2 cents

Wrooster

the 69 Trans Am WAS a 69 Trans Am, the buyer was just TOO SLOW in closing the deal and lost it

Here's what I don't get. The guy is selling a car he knows is a COPO with the original drive train for 35K? It doesn't make since with all the press in the past 6 years as to the worth of these all origianl muscle cars, if it is a COPO then he would know it's worth a lot more than 35K.
If he doesn't know it's a COPO then he wouldn't be asking more than 10K for an all original 69 in need of that much work.
I would proceed with caution...doesn't add up. In im opinion I would rather have lost a chance at buying a COPO than having spent 35K on a 8K car.

Just my 2 cents

Wrooster

I was thinking the same exact thing. $35K seems like a very suspicious middle of the road price. If it's real then you get a smoking hot deal. If it's fake then you get smoked.

I would still think it mught be legit. You'ld be surprised how many back woods types don't have cable tv or internet.

... look at google earth all you want, he didn't say the barn was in Bidwell! Also, I'd like to see what pics and documentation the guy has. The guy may simply have gone on Ebay, looked at prices, and figured his was worth $20,000 more than the other BIG BLOCKS he was seeing on there. Not everyone knows the complete history of COPO. Maybe he's thinking: "I have a 427, it must be worth X more than a 396". I say it's real, just a hunch.

I remember watching a story unfold on Yenko.net a few years ago. Someone posted an ad from a small paper or advertiser in NJ for a highly desirable car for sale at a very low price. (Baldwin or Yenko, I think) Anyway, the guy had made a deal, and was looking for confirmation from the experts. Someone in the midwest called the number in the ad and convinced the seller to undo the deal and sell to him. He jumped in his truck, towing a trailer and drove all night, arriving at the prearranged spot the next morning. Seller never showed up, and it turned out to be a hoax. Guy was furious, having wasted two days time and a thousand bucks. I say he got what he deserved for stealing the car from the first buyer in the first place. (This was not like an auction bidding war!!)

I know of another story where a pic was posted about a potential car, and someone was able to blow it up and read the name of some business off a sign in the far background. Found the business on white pages.com or something, and found the location of the car. Can't remember if they stole it or not.

Point is, when it comes to big money cars, you need to be very careful about what you say, and to whom you say it!!

Of course the opposite is true, too. There will always be guys who come on sites like this with tall stories, just to get everyone excited. I don't know about this one, but a guy who knows what a COPO is, confirms it to be a numbers car, knows $35k is a steal, but rather than buy it, reports his find on here???

Well, you know what they say, "If you fall off a horse, get right back on and ride." I don't know if that holds for turnip trucks.

Not true. I pursued the guy daily and he wouldn't meet up in person for a variety of excuses. I was at the car every day and had cash in hand and trailer at the ready. I couldn't buy the car if the guy wouldn't meet me... It had nothing to do with SLOW...it had to do with either a busy guy or a guy playing both ends.

B...t

the 69 Trans Am WAS a 69 Trans Am, the buyer was just TOO SLOW in closing the deal and lost it

Maaaaannn that's a rip off. $35K for an old rust bucket? Give this guys address to me and I'll drive there in person and tell him like it is.

Unreal,I believe that was this guy Clint R. that was from the midwest and wanted a Motion Nova that was advertised,,,

Yes it was me and I was traveling with cash. Very scary to gave been sitting in a field with cash and there was no house and no car. The very reason I will never buy a car if the seller requests cash again. Thank god I checked out the address before I let the seller know I had arrived.

well, at first I thought the seller was for real and this guy had a good find. Now it looks like the guy's not really interested in selling. We may never know if this was a COPO or not. Always DRAMA when it comes to these cars.

well, at first I thought the seller was for real and this guy had a good find. Now it looks like the guy's not really interested in selling. We may never know if this was a COPO or not. Always DRAMA when it comes to these cars.

Are you talking about the OP? Don't worry. I am sure he has been reading some of the good advice here. No sense in him posting until it's in his garage as far as I'm concerned.

He is asking $35,000 ......

Bill, If I were you, I would take someone from this board that is an EXPERT in confirming the car is a COPO. I would even pay someone if necessary. I would arrive with my 18' trailer, with electric winch. I would also have $35k in cash under the front seat. I would also have my 9MM stuffed in the back of my pants in case of whatever. If the car is a confirmed COPO, complete the sale and leave asap.

A guy told me about driving from Georgia to Ohio pulling an empty trailer and carrying a wad of cash to purchase a car. He stopped at a rest stop and got mugged. I think maybe someone saw a truck with GA plates, headed away from Georgia, pulling an empty trailer Might have put two and two together, and made an educated guess as to whom to rob!

A guy told me about driving from Georgia to Ohio pulling an empty trailer and carrying a wad of cash to purchase a car. He stopped at a rest stop and got mugged. I think maybe someone saw a truck with GA plates, headed away from Georgia, pulling an empty trailer Might have put two and two together, and made an educated guess as to whom to rob!


Might have even been the guy who was supposed to have the car! Tell someone you want cash, meet at The 5th Wheel and then just wait for the guy to show.

I remember watching a story unfold on Yenko.net a few years ago. Someone posted an ad from a small paper or advertiser in NJ for a highly desirable car for sale at a very low price. (Baldwin or Yenko, I think) Anyway, the guy had made a deal, and was looking for confirmation from the experts. Someone in the midwest called the number in the ad and convinced the seller to undo the deal and sell to him. He jumped in his truck, towing a trailer and drove all night, arriving at the prearranged spot the next morning. Seller never showed up, and it turned out to be a hoax. Guy was furious, having wasted two days time and a thousand bucks. I say he got what he deserved for stealing the car from the first buyer in the first place. (This was not like an auction bidding war!!)

I know of another story where a pic was posted about a potential car, and someone was able to blow it up and read the name of some business off a sign in the far background. Found the business on white pages.com or something, and found the location of the car. Can't remember if they stole it or not.

Point is, when it comes to big money cars, you need to be very careful about what you say, and to whom you say it!!

Of course the opposite is true, too. There will always be guys who come on sites like this with tall stories, just to get everyone excited. I don't know about this one, but a guy who knows what a COPO is, confirms it to be a numbers car, knows $35k is a steal, but rather than buy it, reports his find on here???

Well, you know what they say, "If you fall off a horse, get right back on and ride." I don't know if that holds for turnip trucks.

just like your name .. thats Unreal !! wow thats crazy.. never heard of that till now.

Yeah you gotta watch out when you go places with Cash in hand especially 35K. take a friend and a you know what just in case.

Are you talking about the OP? Don't worry. I am sure he has been reading some of the good advice here. No sense in him posting until it's in his garage as far as I'm concerned.

:yes:

When i went to Maryland to look at my 67 I had $15,000 in cash and my S&W 9mm in easy reach if needed, luckily it was not needed and I got the car just in time as 3 prospective buyers arrived as I made the deal.
These days you cant be too carefull, with your life and cash.

I took 23k in cash when i went to buy mine. When i took the money out to pay the guy looked at me like id just grown a third eyeball. He said, "Geesh, you could have brought a check". He spread the money out on a desk to count it all and it looked like we were making some type of secret drug deal.
Next car i brought a bank check..much easier. (Not to hijack the thread)

I'd prefer check or wire as well but many guys want to keep the deal away from the IRS.

I paid cash for my car... the guy's Ebay ad said he'd take a bank check but his girlfrind stood right there in front of me and told him it may not be a good check. "Ahhh, maybe she's right.. I'll only take cash" he said. I had to drive to 4 branches of my credit union to take out that kind of money. The whole time thinking I was gonna lose the deal. Another time I had $17,500 cash under my seat ready to give to a guy for his car... I said, "let me drive it again just to feel better about it". He said, "you drove it yesterday, nothings changed". I told him he was nuts and drove off. I saw him a month later trying to sell it at a swap meet for $2,000 less than what I was gonna give him! crazy.. crazy people out there.

I had cash to buy mine.... the guy wouldn't take it... wanted a certified check :confused:

I had cash to buy mine.... the guy wouldn't take it... wanted a certified check :confused:

Now thats a new one...

It is too easy to fake cashiers checks these days and you can also put a stop payment on them. Bank wire or cash is the safest or hold the car until check clears.

But if you take a cashiers check-you have no room to negotiate on the deal cause the check is already made out.You take cash w/you and most times the seller will take less when you start talkin cash.:D

But if you take a cashiers check-you have no room to negotiate on the deal cause the check is already made out.You take cash w/you and most times the seller will take less when you start talkin cash.:D

May need to take a sniffing dog with you to sniff the cash, he will tell you if its bad or not. :grin:

Yeah.On my last deal the guy wanted me to go to the bank w/ him to have the money checked.I couldnt believe it!So i asked him if he would prefer a personell check?About then his wifed jumped in-and said something like "your'e an idiot,just take the cash".
Yup,he took the cash.

Yeah.On my last deal the guy wanted me to go to the bank w/ him to have the money checked.I couldnt believe it!So i asked him if he would prefer a personell check?About then his wifed jumped in-and said something like "your'e an idiot,just take the cash".
Yup,he took the cash.

That reminded me of a time when I wanted to buy a '92 Trans AM in Ohio. I told the guy that I would send him a wire. He didn't want to give me his banking information.

Then I said I'd give him a money order and he could wait for it to clear before releasing the car but he thought something was fishy because I was willing to give him the money without taking the car. I said - "look buddy, you have both my money and the car. How the heck am I going to screw you?". He couldn't give me an answer but was still paranoid. I finally gave up and hung up the phone.

Bill, I was in Bidwell today on business with Carmichael Equipment. I get to Gallipolis about once every five weeks. Let me know if I can help you in any way if you decide to buy the car.

Now thats a new one...

I guess he thought it was drug money and I'd be back to rob him or something :confused:

I drove to Texas for a 67 once with cash. Striaght thru except gas and bathroom stops, 18 hrs.:D I paid the man after checking out the car, He said wait a minute and went and got one of those markers to check all the bills. 14k. took about 1hr with that stupid pen:clonk:. I prefer cash on sales and buying. Cash in front of some people allows better deals alot.

"marker to check the bills".... I would have loved to seen that.

I had cash to buy mine.... the guy wouldn't take it... wanted a certified check Maybe he was afraid it was counterfeit...

Bill, If I were you, I would take someone from this board that is an EXPERT in confirming the car is a COPO. I would even pay someone if necessary. I would arrive with my 18' trailer, with electric winch. I would also have $35k in cash under the front seat. I would also have my 9MM stuffed in the back of my pants in case of whatever. If the car is a confirmed COPO, complete the sale and leave asap.

I usually go with the "big block" i.e. , 44 MAG!!!!!

This one time at band camp.:boring: blah, blah, blah............. What about the COPO!?!?:D

"marker to check the bills".... I would have loved to seen that.

Yes a marker!! The worst part was his wife said a bad hail storm was coming! I had my wifes new tahoe and the car I bought on open trailer. Luckily we made it out of there and found a old closed down gas station to sit it out.

I usually go with the "big block" i.e. , 44 MAG!!!!!


I bring TONKA OR DEISEL. 152 and 125lb ROTTY's:D They can LICK them to death. "they look scary though

I have had the Chinese show up with 100k in cash in the trunk of a car to do a large paper deal... I use a marker to check the bills nowdays

This one time at band camp.:boring: blah, blah, blah............. What about the COPO!?!?:D

I actually like hearing all these crazy stories of peoples experience when trying to buy/pay for a car. I believe i will start a new thread in bench... :)

Bill! You out there?

Cold beer says it's another fairy tale.

I personally hate it when the first thought is money. But to answer his question.............Man, what a find. It's worth a gazillion dollars. Buy It and then show us some PROOF!

Cold beer says it's another fairy tale.



I'll take that bet. You are sooooooooo on! :beers:

Now thats a new one...

As long as there is 'trust' involved, OR we know where to find the guy, I'd prefer to have a check. I sold a load of valuable NOS Corvette parts once to a very well known Corvette collector in my town. He came to see the parts, and agreed to buy them. I thought I'd get a check, instead he pulls out a huge stuffed money belt...(stuffed with 100's..).. and begins counting out cash. *L* I told him, Don't you have a check? I hate having that much cash around.. *L* He didn't. . He said he did everything with cash (he was a business owner, so I have a suspicion of why).. (I hid the cash under my mattress that night until I could deposit it in my checking account).. :)

This one time at band camp.:boring: blah, blah, blah............. What about the COPO!?!?:D

Forget about the COPO, I suspect it is a figment of someone's imagination. I want to hear about your experience at band camp.... unless of course that's a figment of someone's imagination, too. :)

I actually like hearing all these crazy stories of peoples experience when trying to buy/pay for a car. I believe i will start a new thread in bench... :)

I agree. I sold a 1991 Camaro many years ago. The young man did not have transportation and wanted to meet me at the Holiday Inn. Sounded ok to me. I meet him and we went for a test drive. He fell in love with the car and we agreed on a price. We get back to the Holiday Inn and he invites me up to his hotel room where he has the cash. Sounded ok to me. Upon entering the hotel room, his meth face looking girlfriend was on the bed watching tv. It looked like they were living in the room. He reached into this big backpack and started to count out $16k in 10's, 20's, 50's & 100's. His story was, he has been on a fishing boat for the past two years. I signed over the pink. I needed to fill out the release of liability. I asked to see his drivers lic. He didn't have one. No Ins either. He and his gf didn't have a current address. They were leaving for Tennessee tomorrow and needed a car. The gf's mother lived nearby so I used her address. When I left the hotel, I went directly to DMV and had them record the release of liability on the spot. I told this story to the DMV clerk and she said I'm now clear of liability.

I have had the Chinese show up with 100k in cash in the trunk of a car to do a large paper deal... I use a marker to check the bills nowdays
How much of it was real?

I'll take that bet. You are sooooooooo on! :beers:

Well I was just trying to be nice!

As long as there's no news about the COPO but everyone is telling stories here's mine. Back when I worked in a body shop we used to rebuild wrecks to sell when things were slow. We did nothing but Chrysler products because that's what the owners preference was and that way we always had a large stash of good used parts. We had built a Dodge Spirit for a local taxi company (even painted it Checker Yellow). Called the owner of the company to come pick up the car and he showed up with $6500 in a shopping bag all in ones & fives... Told the boss he would save all his tips in the bag until he had enough to buy another car and didn't have a chance to get to the bank to deposit it.

When I bought my turnkey 69 SS in 1986, the guy wanted $3,500. I was in college and could only scrape up $3,000. I thought sure he would take it, but refused. He said he liked my watch- it became his. I said, "You need a CD player?" It became his. And I swear I am not making this last one up- he ended up with my new Air Jordans. That finally got us to $3,500 in his mind. Needless to say, I still got the better of the deal. There was NO WAY I was going to let this car get away from me. By the way, I still have that car.

When I bought my turnkey 69 SS in 1986, the guy wanted $3,500. I was in college and could only scrape up $3,000. I thought sure he would take it, but refused. He said he liked my watch- it became his. I said, "You need a CD player?" It became his. And I swear I am not making this last one up- he ended up with my new Air Jordans. That finally got us to $3,500 in his mind. Needless to say, I still got the better of the deal. There was NO WAY I was going to let this car get away from me. By the way, I still have that car.

LOL ! thats great ! I still have my airjordans from high school and I grad. in 94. Also still have the David Robinsons Oh well .. back to the COPO .. please.. haha

Guys, go the Bench thread to tell the stories. :thumbsup:

I'll take that bet. You are sooooooooo on!

Dr. JW Prentice, (couldn't find your first name), good deal, it will make following this thread fun.

There's only one thing better than a Cold Beer and thats a Freeeeeeee Cold Beer.

Dr. JW Prentice, (couldn't find your first name), good deal, it will make following this thread fun.

There's only one thing better than a Cold Beer and thats a Freeeeeeee Cold Beer.

My first name is Hylton and I whole heartedly agree with you except I have to correct your comment - "There's only one thing better than a Cold Beer and thats a Freeeeeeee Canadian Cold Beer".

Do we let members rib the loser of this bet for the next month?

When I bought my turnkey 69 SS in 1986, the guy wanted $3,500. I was in college and could only scrape up $3,000. I thought sure he would take it, but refused. He said he liked my watch- it became his. I said, "You need a CD player?" It became his. And I swear I am not making this last one up- he ended up with my new Air Jordans. That finally got us to $3,500 in his mind. Needless to say, I still got the better of the deal. There was NO WAY I was going to let this car get away from me. By the way, I still have that car.


I'll give 4500.00 my swatch watch, and my wifes ugly *** UGG boots.;):D for it now

I am still here........ will update with pics soon

I am still here........ will update with pics soon

:hurray: I had faith. Cant wait for pics... and story.

[quote=Hylton;1153734]My first name is Hylton and I whole heartedly agree with you except I have to correct your comment - "There's only one thing better than a Cold Beer and thats a Freeeeeeee Canadian Cold Beer".

:thumbsup: :beers:

I am still here........ will update with pics soon

Nooooooo! :noway: LOL.

I've never had a Canadian beer........Yet.:yes:

I am still here........ will update with pics soon
Yes!!:hurray::hurray::beers:

I bought one of my 67 427/435 HP tri power vettes with comic books back in 1983 ..... yep ... comic books.... silver and golden age . Still have close to 30 long boxes(about 350 books a box) and am about ready to sell them off wholesale because they take up so much room!

I am still here........ will update with pics soon


Bill tommorrow took for days to you. How long will soon be:confused:

Bill tommorrow took for days to you. How long will soon be:confused:


Relax! Geez....:sad:

I am still here........ will update with pics soon

Nooooooo! :noway: LOL.

I've never had a Canadian beer........Yet.:yes:


Mmmm.....sounds like you won't get the opportunity this time either! :D

... while we wait, the band camp story please ... :)

... while we wait, the band camp story please ... :)

The band camp story or the banned camp story? ;)

I've never had a Canadian beer........Yet.:yes:


Not to further derail this thread but you, my friend, are missing out. Canadians make some damn good beer. Hell, they even take our American beer and make it better. (More Booze) :)

At least we have one neighboring country thats good for something.... J/K :D

Not to further derail this thread but you, my friend, are missing out. Canadians make some damn good beer. Hell, they even take our American beer and make it better. (More Booze) :)

At least we have one neighboring country thats good for something.... J/K :D

Exactly - come up here try out a few Coors lights....we'll get you hammered on just a few of 'em.

I once drove a COPO to band camp.....

Car is a true COPO....Protect-O-plate matches the MN code on front of engine and the VIN# of the car is on the side of the block.....Rearend has been changed at some point it is a BT and the tranny has also been changed. I have a few pics but can't remember how to put them on.....Body is ruff and interior is in decent shape

We have covered car buying stories, Canadian beer, and Band camp in this thread. All of which have little or absolutely nothing to do with the original topic............. but i love it. :D :thumbsup:

Car is a true COPO....Protect-O-plate matches the MN code on front of engine and the VIN# of the car is on the side of the block.....Rearend has been changed at some point it is a BT and the tranny has also been changed. I have a few pics but can't remember how to put them on.....Body is ruff and interior is in decent shape

Bill, Please don't try and hijack this thread from the current theme of car buying/selling stories, band camp memories and north of the border beer.:D

Well.. Did you buy it??

Ut-oohhhh! :beers:

Wake up Bill, you're dreaming again. :yes:

I'd move to Canada in a heartbeat, and I want to however I'm kinda stuck here with my big brother trying to call my every move.:(

Let's get those pix posted Bill. :noway:

Well.. Did you buy it??


Not yet.....Will talk to him tomorrow

The engine in the car is not the 427.....All the engine is there except for the breather and distributer. Whats it worth in this condition.

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Wa Whoooo!!!!!!!!!

Nice find!

Is that a straight neck rad? Hard to tell. Did copo's come with 7k tach? Nice find. More Pics please:thumbsup:

Looks like it might be a curved neck rad, 6k/7k tach is correct for COPO and L78. Is that a 13/16" sway bar? Does it have a 140 mph speedo?
With what you have described and shown, why is it not in your garage? BL rear is a big bummer....are you positive it's BL and not BE?

Looks like it might be a curved neck rad, 6k/7k tach is correct for COPO and L78. Is that a 13/16" sway bar? Does it have a 140 mph speedo?
With what you have described and shown, why is it not in your garage? BL rear is a big bummer....are you positive it's BL and not BE?

Yes straight neck rad....sway bar not sure....120mph speedo

Looks pretty rough...but a COPO is a COPO.

Can you verify that it really is one? If you can verify it's real, I'd suggest picking it up asap as the vulchers may circle around and steal it from you.

Good sign that I dont see any fender emblems or emblem holes and it has a standard silver grill, but I know that really doesnt mean anything..........since car has been repainted over the years etc.

Swaybar does look to be the larger one , but of course its getting late.

As described, and shown in pictures, I don't think it's worth 35K......today. Basically, all you have it a COPO body.

Getting close. That is a very very interesting find. The easy part will be the restoration. The hard part will be to proove it's heritage when it really counts (resale or insurance). I take it the MN block is that, just a bare block correct? No other loose parts? No docs, or no history? Since the radio is still there could you be lucky enough to have the exhaust manifiolds or intake still with/on the car? So many things to look for/at. So much of that car appears to be never touched, amazing. I'd say, and I am not a newbie at this game, that if you are knowledgeable enough to recognize authenticity of and get a warm and fuzzy over the block stampings then 35k would be about right and only slightly to the sellers advantage. JMO. If you will, please share the numbers and tags for personal records.:hurray:

Hylton, I'll be in touch, get thirsty, it was fun.:beers:

Has anyone bought the car yet,I sold a body 10 years ago to a guy in Ohio he had a COPO that needed restored,have been tryin to contact him for a few years.

Isn't it strange how the car has woodgains sans no other options. Looks to me to be an old street racer by the call letters below the heater knobs and the cb bracket and antenna. Boy does that take me back. $$$. Anyways, I'd like to know about under dash wiring harness tags since it's never been disassembled and all the simple details like the tire sticker and such. Looks like a lump in the floor pan from the tranny departing when it did. Can't you feel the fun and excitement that someone had with this thing.

In original post you said it was the original owner and he had original bill of sale. Doesnt that prove without a doubt what it is? Just wondering why thats still in question.

No doubt thats gonna be a huge and hugely expensive project to restore correctly.

In original post you said it was the original owner and he had original bill of sale. Doesnt that prove without a doubt what it is? Just wondering why thats still in question.

No doubt thats gonna be a huge and hugely expensive project to restore correctly.

He is 3rd owner his sister first, brother 2nd and he was 3rd. Said he couldn't find buid sheet but has Protect-o-plate.

He said he found the POP so that will prove it is a 427 COPO if it has the MN engine code.

Just make sure it is an original POP and has the same vin as the car.

I would check the hidden vins also

He is 3rd owner his sister first, brother 2nd and he was 3rd. Said he couldn't find buid sheet but has Protect-o-plate.


I wouldn't want to mess with (stage against) his sister then.:D

What would your plans be for the car, restore it back to stock, make a driver out of it and enjoy, resell it as is? If you look at what the fully restored value would be(what are #'s matching COPO's with paperwork selling for now) then you can figure out how much it might take to restore and get to the buying price. As long as the number's match on the engine and POP, it's an original COPO with paperwork that will hold value. The $35K price is a good starting point. If it costs $100K to restore, can you get back your $135K out of it, probably. I think it's priced in the right range so try to get him down a little without insulting him.

What would your plans be for the car, restore it back to stock, make a driver out of it and enjoy, resell it as is? If you look at what the fully restored value would be(what are #'s matching COPO's with paperwork selling for now) then you can figure out how much it might take to restore and get to the buying price. As long as the number's match on the engine and POP, it's an original COPO with paperwork that will hold value. The $35K price is a good starting point. If it costs $100K to restore, can you get back your $135K out of it, probably. I think it's priced in the right range so try to get him down a little without insulting him.

You think it'll take 100k to restore it on top of purchase price? I was thinking you could do it all for 100k including purchase price of 35k. You might be right and i wrong...dont know. If you could restore it right for total investment of 100k you are definitely well ahead of the game

One thing for sure...100k or 135k is still waaay more money than i have to throw into a car. :eek:

Nice find,interesting post! Car looks pretty solid,is it? Nice original interior.I sold a original 69 June built COPO 427 for $8500.00.It was carb to pan.Why dosen't someone with good knowledge of restoration cost give a actual break down. I always see these big numbers thrown out,but no break downs.My friend bought a real nice original 69 Camaro M22 for $1500.00,so is $10,000.00 the average price for motor and trans?Isn't a 69 Plain Jane Camaro 6cly or V8 307 car basically the same body panel car? Do restoration shops hike the price on restoration (body/Paint) when you say COPO?

I dont claim to be an expert but 35K for a ruff shell and only a matching block seems overpriced to me, you would have a small fortune finding all the correct GM parts to make it as new.
You need to have plenty of excess cash laying around to take on a car like this and do it correctly.

If this car was nationally advertised 20 guys would be beating each other up over it.If they arn't already?

Found a 1969 COPO car in a BARN. The guy bought this car new. The motor is in the car and the only thing that looks like it has been changed are the valve covers, he said that he has the somewhere. Going to look at the car again tomorrow and check numbers out and take pictures. Will most likley need most sheet metal replaced (WITH GM PARTS) What is car worth? (I will not have to pay to have restored can do all work myself) He also said he has the bill of sale and window sticker.

He is 3rd owner his sister first, brother 2nd and he was 3rd. Said he couldn't find buid sheet but has Protect-o-plate.

Id be careful what the seller is telling you, he already has me wondering.

just bought it......will clean it up a little and post vin on car and on motor

Congrats!!

Once again, they ARE still out there.

Sweet...can't wait for the pics!

Congrats!! and good luck.

If the POP is good that adds a lot of value. You don't see many with a POP.

Does if have the booket with dealer name and first owner name on POP?

straight rad...120 speedo...BL rear...curious??? Cant wait to see more!!

You think it'll take 100k to restore it on top of purchase price? I was thinking you could do it all for 100k including purchase price of 35k. You might be right and i wrong...dont know. If you could restore it right for total investment of 100k you are definitely well ahead of the game

Why dosen't someone with good knowledge of restoration cost give a actual break down. I always see these big numbers thrown out,but no break downs.





I will tell you right now if you do 75% of the work yourself you cant possibly put 100k into that or any other Camaro "excluding a ZL1" The key is to do as much as you can yourself. Parts are parts and original or NOS good stuff is pricey but putting 75k into it will be tough to do.


My guess............ 40-50k if you go the "NOS" way, less if you cheat. Parts prices are way down now.....good time to buy.

ps.....I have a complete Jan. 69 4 bolt 512 engine if you need one :thumbsup:


Good luck with your new project....I'm finally finishing up mine :beers:





bob

Just for discussion, IMO this is not the type of car that someone without a LOT of experience should restore themselves. The money is in the details, and every nut, bolt, chalk mark, and part finish needs to be right on the money (pun intended) and the resto needs to be fully documented for the car to have its maximum value.

It should be restored by a Camaro expert and not just a good bodyshop. An ultra low production car like a real COPO does justify the cost (again, just my opinion).

Do a nice restoration and drive it.Not every COPO has to sit in a warehouse.

Do a nice restoration and drive it.Not every COPO has to sit in a warehouse.

Well said!!!
Drive them All!! Trailer Queens suck!!!:noway:

Also, not many COPO's have their original engine. I'd rather have a project like this with the original engine, than a 100 point car with a resto engine. Just my preference. Not that i'd turn a COPO away if I had one NOM. :)

Having the original engine helps, too bad the tranny/rear are gone.

Rich

just bought it......will clean it up a little and post vin on car and on motor


Congrats Bill. Excellent job on hunting this one down. Wondering if this is your first COPO that you have owned yourself. Would like to know original dealership name and if you find any signs of an original black tail panel. If I remember correctly, there were some late 4 spd COPOs that had a straight neck radiator, but I myself have not ever seen one, therefore I do not state this as fact.

Thoughts on resto costs, take into account he's way ahead of the game for 1 because of lack of options and creature comforts. He'll not have to worry about ac, custom interior, rs, etc., ya know. A man I know of around here has one in a bubble that he spent over 80gs on to have someone else restore it back in the early-mid 90s.

Very first post Bill says he will not pay to have the car restored and will do the work himself. 100k to restore this car is WAY out of line in my humble opinion. Maybe half that or less and can still be done correctly. If a high end shop would get 100k to do this car with parts & labor and you cut out the labor cost (maybe $75-$100 per hour) you're going to save a ton of money. VERY glad to hear you bought it Bill. I was beginning to worry that someone would track it down and snipe it from under your nose. I recently posted here asking a bunch of questions about a 70 Z/28 project car I was negotiating a deal on. Had a pretty firm trade deal just about worked out and at the last minute the guy informed me that he had taken a deposit on the car. I will always have to wonder if it was someone from here who bought the car because of my post. The next time I find something like that it will be made public AFTER it's in my garage...

$100K to restore a limited production hi-po car is not out of line if you don't have the tools, space, time and skills to do it yourself. A big chunk of that cost is going to be finding the missing or damaged rare parts if you want them to be correct numbers and dated for the car. If you plan to restore the car as a driver and it doesn't need those missing parts and the best paint job then you can cut the costs in half. But that will also affect the end value of the car if you ever need to sell it for whatever reason. It's all relative. You can't spend $50K restoring a car and expect it to be worth $200K or more unless you run your own restoration shop. Even then you need to take into account your time or you're shorting your own business. It also depends on where you live as to the costs. Looks like it should be a fun project and worth every penny put into it!

If it were mine I'd get it running and put it on a trailer and haul it to shows just like it is.Car Craft the last 2 years used 2 barn finds from my show on their cover.Last year was a Fathom Green COPO and the year before an LS6 Chevelle.The fathom Green edition was one of their best selling issues.People love barn finds.

And I need to grovel. After Bill came on here and got things started, he disappeared. I assumed it was a fairy tale, but I guess he decided to hunker down until he had it in his garage. Congratulations!

And I need to grovel. After Bill came on here and got things started, he disappeared. I assumed it was a fairy tale, but I guess he decided to hunker down until he had it in his garage. Congratulations!

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Sorry.. Could not resist.....

I love following stories like these...
Congrats on the find...
I need to start over at the beginning because there is still a question in my mnd... Is the engine in the car original to it or not?
I thought I swore he mentioned somewhere that it was a NOM?

Please.. Someone steer me right... But in the meantime, ill start over reading again.. Fun read and worth it.. Im at work doing nothing anyway!

LOL....



Post # 90 from Bill:

Car is a true COPO....Protect-O-plate matches the MN code on front of engine and the VIN# of the car is on the side of the block.....Rearend has been changed at some point it is a BT and the tranny has also been changed. I have a few pics but can't remember how to put them on.....Body is ruff and interior is in decent shape.

Ahh....
Post 90 confirmed it...


I am not an authority on by any means of these kinds of finds..
But what were the actual numbers of these COPO 69's?

Were there not like only 69 or so ever made?

Bill...Post more pics when you can!

Be nice to see the documentation.

BADRS, you are thinking of the aluminum block ZL-1 cars, which were also COPO's. There were only 69 of these made in 1969. The iron block 427 cars are considerably more plentiful, although still rare compared to everything else besides L-89 cars. I think there were several hundred iron block cars made for Yenko, and probably at least the same number of additional cars made for other dealers who knew how to order them. It's pretty amazing to think that you could purchase an iron block COPO for about the same as an SS-396 through the normal dealer channels. If word of this had hit the mainstream, no telling how many more of them would have been built! Probably about the same as the number of cloned cars that are being sold as the real thing! :p

My understanding is that the engine currently in the car is not the original block, but apparently the original block (out of the car) is included in the sale. Hopefully, it doesn't have any major damage from a missed shift. That might also explain the 4-sp and 12-bolt being MIA! :eek:

198 documented COPO9561 went to Yenko. (At one time, there was a feeling that there might have been 201, but there was some sort of duplication error in the shop sheets.)

The number of 1000 +/- for total COPOs gets bantered around. While the number of cars produced is not precisely known, the number of MN and MO motors built was recorded. I think that number was like 1100 or so, making the 1000 or so guess a plausible figure.

I think that number was like 1100 or so, making the 1000 or so guess a plausible figure.

Thanks Guys...Learn something everyday...:D

So by the looks of it, regardless of the engine that is in the car it would pretty much be safe to say his car is 1 out of 1,000 built?
Incredible......
And if there is proof there that he still has the original block, then that is a rare find indeed!

I say build it back with the original block and DRIVE (oouch) it...!

:hurray:

...oops..

I have to agree with copoloco,too many in warehouses.Leave it the way you found it and show it that way for now.Love going to a car show and seeing a awesome unrestored car like this! Good luck,great find,lucky you!!

pictures ready?

I have watched this story, from the start. Clean the car, take it out and drive it, ba??
to the wall. That is what I want to say, the car was built to be a race car track or street. Don't hurt the engine. Clean and enjoy for a while, a lot more car than I can think about. Do what ever you want, some people would like to see as is.

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1840.jpg

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1848.jpg

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1852.jpg

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1862.jpg

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1866.jpg

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1865.jpg

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSCF1869.jpg

That is awesome. What a find.

Nice car. Floors and rear wheel openings look pretty good which is usually a pretty good sign. Rusted rear rails and rockers are usually signs of extensive metalwork needed, but the floors usually go before those :thumbsup:

That would be cool to clean up and just take it to some cruises the way it is as long as it's safe to drive(brakes, tires, wiring, etc.). Then you could restore it if you want to. The history behind it sounds like the coolest part of the story if the sister was the original owner! :yes:

If those are original ralley wheels would this be a double COPO? How is that trim ring attached? 140 MPH speedometer?

Personally I disagree on driving it as it is. If it had original paint that would be a different story.

keep the pictures coming!

If those are original ralley wheels would this be a double COPO?

Personally I disagree on driving it as it is. If it had original paint that would be a different story.

He said it came with the steel wheels and they changed them...had the steel wheels but they were so rusted you couldn't even tell they were wheels

If the original engine is there and it's a 52 52 car... it's worth everybit of 50-60 like it sits... did you see the burnished brown no motor car go for 50k?

IT doesn't look too bad... is it?

If the original engine is there and it's a 52 52 car... it's worth everybit of 50-60 like it sits... did you see the burnished brown no motor car go for 50k?

Did not see that...Can you link me? It is matching engine and that is the orginal paint. When I first looked at the car it was untouched but he thought he was going to fix it and changed his mind after starting on it.

IT doesn't look too bad... is it?


After getting it out of the BARN and really checking it out it really isn't to bad. Passenger fender and quarter are a little rough. Doors shut SOLID

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Awesome find Congrats,:thumbsup: but doesn't it have the 67/68 alt bracket, water pump & lower pulley? Shouldn't 69's be on the passenger side with the long water pump & different lower pulley?

After getting it out of the BARN and really checking it out it really isn't to bad. Passenger fender and quarter are a little rough. Doors shut SOLID

Yeah, looks like the RH side of the car has quite a bit more mud in it than the LH. No telling whats underneath, but the car doesn't seem to be completely ate up.

Bill,

Just wondering if the seller shared with you the history of the car as to how it was used, when & why the rear & tranny were replaced, whether it won any track meets, old pictures, etc? I sure hope the 427 is rebuildable!

Best of success.

Charlie 69 Camaro RS
70 Challenger

I'm looking is there post of the trim tag,heater core,docs etc.?

Great find Bill! Can you tell us what dealer it originally came from? How about some trim tag info or pix?

Good luck with it.
Mike

Personally I disagree on driving it as it is. If it had original paint that would be a different story.

I agree with you 100%. Even if what is left of the paint is original (which doesnt appear to be much) i still say bring it back to its former glory and drive it.

i agree looks like 67 68 accessory mount? but that could have been changed it is a way better setup for keeping the belts in line and on the car.

Hi Bill,
Congratulations on your recent find. Lot of Luck. Please keep us posted.

I don't know about you guys but Bill is living my lifelong dream with that one. And if I can't do it, then the next best thing is to have someone share their experience as it happens, to keep the dream alive and come as close as possible to sharing the joy. Major kudos to Bill for sharing his find here. Keep the info flowing.

Guess I'll step and say what I know a lot are thinking. How about posting some pics of the protecta plate and stamping on the block. This is needed before anything can be validated. To me there are to many things missing to call it a real this or that. Not to dog on someone I don't know just stating the facts.:beers:

I agree besides posting what came with the car I've seen no engine comp. pics,no doc pics,no protecto plate or trim tag pics.I hope you have a COPO but there's nothing being unveiled secretely by posting that info.

waterpump, alt bracket and crank pulley raise questions, but lets be patient the pictures are coming.

He's probably busy. Every time I ever brought home a new car, I was so obssessed with it that I would spend every moment I was awake inspecting, documenting, basically getting to know and learn everything possible about that particular car, in an essence listening to what the car was teaching me, to even stop for food. Then sleep, eat work and do it all over again. Until I was satisfied that there was nothing else to be learned from it and then I would decide what I was going to do with it. When you get a new toy, don't you want to play with it instead of sitting behind the pc. Before I posted that info, I would be darn sure that my investment is protected eight ways from Sunday. We're talking big big money here on this one you know. I say in the neighborhood of about 300gs potentially and no stone should be left unturned to get there. Give him some time to play with it. And as always, it's just my has been opinion.:beers:

waterpump, alt bracket and crank pulley raise questions, but lets be patient the pictures are coming. The car & the engine are 40 years old. Who knows what they've been through in that time. Maybe the previous owner had the engine in a different car for awhile. I agree. Let's wait for the rest of the pics like the VIN stamping on the block, suffix code and build date, etc. I seriously doubt that Bill laid out that much cash without checking those things especially since he came here and asked questions before buying it.

I remember watching a story unfold on Yenko.net a few years ago. Someone posted an ad from a small paper or advertiser in NJ for a highly desirable car for sale at a very low price. (Baldwin or Yenko, I think) Anyway, the guy had made a deal, and was looking for confirmation from the experts. Someone in the midwest called the number in the ad and convinced the seller to undo the deal and sell to him. He jumped in his truck, towing a trailer and drove all night, arriving at the prearranged spot the next morning. Seller never showed up, and it turned out to be a hoax. Guy was furious, having wasted two days time and a thousand bucks. I say he got what he deserved for stealing the car from the first buyer in the first place. (This was not like an auction bidding war!!)
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I think the story ended that the address for the the pickup of the car was a dirt road in the backwoods of jersey and they wanted to rob the guy of the cash. The guy with the trailer got wind of the scam on the drive and never showed up.

I think the story ended that the address for the the pickup of the car was a dirt road in the backwoods for jersey and they wanted to rob the guy of the cash. The guy with the trailer got wind of the scam on the drive and never showed up.

Doug wasn't a dirt road in Branchburg was it?;) :D Just kidding!!

Here you go Bill. Something to help you visualize and a good reference.

http://carolina-auto-sports.ebizautos.com/detail-1969-chevrolet-camaro-copo-2493478.html

Do you know the original selling dealer? Looks a lot like a car that was sold out of a dealer in SE Michigan.

Do you know the original selling dealer? Looks a lot like a car that was sold out of a dealer in SE Michigan.


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Bill anymore PICS? TT engine compartment. This thread is wierd it just died. I thought more people would want more pics. GREAT FIND CONGRATS!!:beers:

I would also love to see some pictures of the cowl tag, engine compartment, documentation and anything else that makes this a copo. These type of stories always interest me. Please update us.
Thanks,

Bill...... all I can say is " your the man " !! ;)

Here you go Bill. Something to help you visualize and a good reference.

http://carolina-auto-sports.ebizautos.com/detail-1969-chevrolet-camaro-copo-2493478.html

Lowsey pics !! and only 1 picture of the motor and its at an angle 15 ft away. Fishy !!!!!!!

Regarding scary/cash deal stories that are on this tread...When I bought mine, I got on a plane to Kentucky with $12K cash in my right pocket and a check for the rest in my other pocket. Had to spend a night in a cheesy motel so at night I would stash the cash under the sink just in case...(check out the pick and look carefully). The real scary part was buying the car (the guy lived in the middle of no where) and leaving without it as I had to arrange the multi state transport back to my house. It took a month but I got the car with no issues. Talk about a long month, I don't think I had any nails left!

http://www.mattlekawa.com/pictures/camaro/stashTheCash.jpg

So what if the robber took your camera and decided to look at the pictures?

Well I guess what would make him a smart, $12K richer robber. Being he is a robber robbing a cheesy motel, he can't be that smart. :D

well i guess what would make him a smart, $12k richer robber. Being he is a robber robbing a cheesy motel, he can't be that smart. :d

lol!!!

would of had 100 pictures posted by now.......

2 weeks and nothing.Pictures of everything but the vin,trim tag, heater core box,protecto-plate,window sticker etc. or anything COPO.No trans no rear ???

2 weeks and nothing.Pictures of everything but the vin,trim tag, heater core box,protecto-plate,window sticker etc. or anything COPO.No trans no rear ???

El Pollo Loco, kinda demanding huh?

Where do you see demanding LM1 he said he'd post pics 2 weeks ago and I haven't seen a response after being ask.If he doesn't want to post them just say so.

2 weeks and nothing.Pictures of everything but the vin,trim tag, heater core box,protecto-plate,window sticker etc. or anything COPO.No trans no rear ???
The man is obviously smarter than you give him credit for.

QUOTE:The man is obviously smarter than you give him credit for.

WHAT'S THE BIG SECRET ?

I'm not understanding where my asking for documentaion is making the guy look dumb explain it to me.

Because he does not OWE you anything, especially with that demanding attitude.

Don't you have to call Jerry M or something to see what he's doing today or document another COPO spoiler car??

Because he does not OWE you anything, especially with that demanding attitude.
It's because people are jumping up and down with the "OOHHH Goodie you've got yourself a COPO" Without any proof it's just a 69 Camaro.:beers:

Relax guys - there has been a lot of interest in this car (both on and off this site). Info will come out in due time.

Don't you have to call Jerry M or something to see what he's doing today or document another COPO spoiler car??

What's the matter, no one at your site to harass so you have to come here to cause trouble?

Poor El Pollo Loco, no one to harass.

Don't be upset because I don't recognize you as some sort of LM1 Copo spoiler authority.Don't be mad because I don't let you use my name to sell your whatever cars using Jerry M.s name,Bob J's name the SUPERCAR site and anyone else you can include.Your only an authority when people make you one not making yourself one!!! Call it what it is 5 other people ask for docs yet you chose me.I wouldn't post to you in any other circumstance.

Maybe there are black helicopters hovering over the guys house... trucks with trailers parked down the street .. watching and waiting ....

People calling him and his family members night and day trying to get to this car .....

Maybe strangers pulling up into his driveway who come from other states .. like , I don't know, Illinios .....

maybe he changed his mind or is tired of all of it ........

Maybe there are black helicopters hovering over the guys house... trucks with trailers parked down the street .. watching and waiting ....

People calling him and his family members night and day trying to get to this car .....

Maybe strangers pulling up into his driveway who come from other states .. like , I don't know, Illinios .....

maybe he changed his mind or is tired of all of it ........

Sounds very plausible :yes:

Listen Timmy, I *know* it's hard to focus with your condition, but try allright? Try and make this about Jerry, LM1's or 70 COPO's all you want. But, what this is about is someone, and that someone is you, *demanding* picture proof that this car is a COPO.

To try and reflect this back to a conversation about Jerry, LM1's or 70 COPO's is exactly the point. If you don't like them, so what? Others do.

Who the heck are you to demand anything? Don't like it, then crawl back under the rock that you came from. The word does not revolve around you and your wants.

Rich
aka "The LM1 Stoogie" :)

:popcorn: This is getting better than photo's of the car! Everyone needs to chill out and have a :beers:

I think this describes your issue with me.COPO COPO COPO. A 70 camaro with a TA spoiler is NOT a COPO.An LM1 camaro is NOT a COPO.Sorry no COPOs in the lot.A NON converted car sold at BALDWIN is NOT a Baldwin Motion camaro.See below


(Rich
aka "The LM1 Stoogie"
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70 Camaro SS L78
70 Z28 COPO
69 Camaro 307 w/ a real COPO 427)

Ummm, 70 Z28 COPO 9796, Like I said Timmy, Focus.

http://www.69lm1.com/70copo/buildsh.JPG


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Look Closer, unless you know more than GM does?

Perhaps this is the very reason that he is not posting any more pics, due to people like you.

No further response necessary.

No further response necessary.

Technically I think ya just did ..... I think responding that you won't respond to his responce , is a response .... isn't it ?

I was told that he has already flipped it and it is already been shipped.

09A X44 car
The VIN is ~900 after mine. I would like to get the body number for comparison

I think Bill said the deck stamp was T0822MN.

Someone else on the site had been trying to buy it for at least the last ten years.
C'mon guys step up and spill the beans on the car.

I was told that he has already flipped it and it is already been shipped.

09A X44 car
The VIN is ~900 after mine. I would like to get the body number for comparison

I think Bill said the deck stamp was T0822MN.

Someone else on the site had been trying to buy it for at least the last ten years.
C'mon guys step up and spill the beans on the car.

Sounds very plausible :yes:

Here are the pics everyone is requesting.

trim tag
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/tt1.jpg

POP
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSC07713.jpg

VIN on block
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/Vin2.jpg

suffix code
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSC07693.jpg

great find, congrats..

Looks good to me ... can rich and copoloco kiss and make up now ?:noway:

Looks good to me ... can rich and copoloco kiss and make up now ?:noway:

That doesn't sound very plausible :noway:

Restamp...

Even I can tell that's a fake POP :p

Restamp...

Yep. It's clearly been decked.

You Jokers are going to have some that read this thread take you seriously.

You Jokers are going to have some that read this thread take you seriously.

You tell 'em, Chuckles :D

You guys bring sunshine to a rainy day.:beers:

Thanks Bill for sharing that with us. One of the best fixs I have had in a while, so to speak.

Keep the thread alive once in awhile to let us know how it's going. That is if you didn't flip it. I hope not 'cause that is the ultimate garage partner for your Z.

:beers: to Bill.

Again, congrats on a great find. Restamp and all. :)

And to others...see..patience is a virtue. Or is it good things come to those who wait?... Either way..thanks for the pics.

Restamp...

Even I can tell that's a fake POP

Yep. It's clearly been decked.

Nice try guys. :p

All kidding aside, I am convinced this COPO is the real deal and a great find. :yes:

Here are the pics everyone is requesting.

trim tag
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/tt1.jpg

POP
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSC07713.jpg

VIN on block
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/Vin2.jpg

suffix code
http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m450/bills69z28/DSC07693.jpg





Would that qualify as " patina" :D


Super Nice score :thumbsup:




bob

Since nobody else has mentioned it, the TC member who had been chasing this car has the "BE" rear and trans from it.

This car's bdy # is 3404 in front of mine. About how many days would that have put between them on the line?

Since nobody else has mentioned it, the TC member who had been chasing this car has the "BE" rear and trans from it.

This car's bdy # is 3404 in front of mine. About how many days would that have put between them on the line?

If that is true, I hope he will sell the pieces to the new car owner. Do you know if he is willing to?

I believe that is what he intends to do.

Anybody got a guess on the assembly line spread?

bill congrats on your find...good luck with it!!.....

Since nobody else has mentioned it, the TC member who had been chasing this car has the "BE" rear and trans from it.

This car's bdy # is 3404 in front of mine. About how many days would that have put between them on the line?

Nice catch, Bill, and I remember reading about the BE axle thread too. If I remember right, he had a lot of people wanting to know where the car was or if he would sell the axle/trans too.........:yes:

Nice catch, Bill, and I remember reading about the BE axle thread too. If I remember right, he had a lot of people wanting to know where the car was or if he would sell the axle/trans too.........:yes:

Do you have the link by any chance?

Ummm, 70 Z28 COPO 9796, Like I said Timmy, Focus.

http://www.69lm1.com/70copo/buildsh.JPG


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Look Closer, unless you know more than GM does?

Perhaps this is the very reason that he is not posting any more pics, due to people like you.

I don't know what I am more thrilled with .. the build sheet from a 1970 Z/28 with "COPO" spoiler on it , or the POP and original MN engine stamp on a 69 COPO Camaro ..... I will have to think about that.

Do you have the link by any chance?

I went into my subscription list to see if I could find it and I have 903 subscriptions...........this might take a while....:(

I don't know what I am more thrilled with .. the build sheet from a 1970 Z/28 with "COPO" spoiler on it , or the POP and original MN engine stamp on a 69 COPO Camaro .....

Interesting usage of punctuation :cool:

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Guys .. just to let you all know I ended up with this COPO . I flew out to Ohio last week and met with Bill and his family . Absolutely outstanding people ... and real car guys to boot.

Thanks to the player who asked to be named later for hooking me up with Bill , you know who you are :)

As time went by people were looking for this car... Bill started to get phone calls , his father got phone calls...people showed up to their homes unannounced . Imagine guys driving around drinking stale coffee and driving down streets in rural Ohio looking down driveways, asking questions at the local diner and gas station like " you know anyone around here that is into Camaro's " Well fortunately it is Ohio... everyone is into Camaro's. One of the best car states in the country.

Bill was offered more money for the car but told the guys , " sorry not for sale " People called him up after the car left wanting information about the car and Bill said " sorry not my car to give out info on ." We have all heard stories about people buying cars and the owner promising them the car was theirs only to have the car sold out from underneath them.. like the line in Jerry Maguire with Beau Bridges " my word is like oak" only to find out he lost the number one draft pick the next morning . Well Bill is integrity plus because on this car there were plenty of offers but he wouldn't do it. Thanks to Bill Jr. and Sr. Good people.

I got a phone calls on my way to Bills house as the news I got the car leaked and was asked .." you want to leave the car there and go home with more money " Well the answer was no . I didn't even ask "how much"?

There is a lot more to this story and will post the whole thing later for those who are interrested

Thanks to Cody for heading out with me and showing me such hospitality .

Thanks to DREAMWEAVER and RAMAIRDAVE listening to me for years say , " I want a COPO I want a COPO " over and over again ....

is there an "APRIL FOOLS!!" coming???

nevermind, just read the link.

congrats van.

Ah..the story continues to get better..Congrats Mr Tibbs. :)

Would love to see it someday....

My congrats also ....very cool story indeed :thumbsup:

Yes, Congrats and hats off to both Mr. Tibbs and Bill for sharing this spectacular event.

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There is a lot more to this story and will post the whole thing later for those who are interrested

......, " I want a COPO I want a COPO " over and over again ....

Please don't be longwinded in your posts of the drama.... you know how I hate that. :p

We will know you have finally arrived when your true dream is fulfilled, when your mantra of, "........ I want an SS 350/350....... I want an SS 350/350..." comes true. :D Good lookin' out dawg

Please don't be longwinded in your posts of the drama.... you know how I hate that.

You're tellin' me :p

I guess I can add this here then ...

interesting read on this over here:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB1&Number=387928&Searchpage=1&Main=387928&Words=&topic=1&Search=true#Post387928

Short memory, Jim? You already posted that link :D

edit: see it was removed prior :thumbsup:

Right on Van. I guess there was no surprise Wolves and vultures were surrounding the kill. Kind of comical; I wonder how far they drove and at what expense only to be turned away.

If you need a rear end I know Joey will sell you a BL, you can do what you want with it as far as he is concerned. Ha Ha.

Bill is a standup guy. Kudos to him.

We need more people like Bill in this hobby. What a stand up guy! :beers:

We need more people like Bill in this hobby. What a stand up guy! :beers:

Exactly! And why does it not surprise me that there were people trying to snag the car before you got there? Oh well...it ended up in the right hands...twice in a row. You couldn't have asked for a better outcome!:hurray:

Illinois tags : shouldn't be too hard to figure out if you have the names of the people that called.I bet you know them.

Actually the coffee wasnt really all that stale. And i wasnt so much looking down driveways...more like peeping in windows. :eek:

Congrats on the car.

I wonder if the guy with the Illinois tags and pulling the trailer will complain that he drove all the way to eastern Ohio spending $1000, and the guy refused to sell to him?

I wonder if the guy with the Illinois tags and pulling the trailer will complain that he drove all the way to eastern Ohio spending $1000, and the guy refused to sell to him?

Don't doubt it. He probably thinks he should have it because he got there first.

...and because he was willing to pay more money. :sad:


Nice to see that a "handshake deal" still means something to some guys these days.

Congrats to both of you.

On the other hand, how many times are sellers told that a buyer is going to show up to consumate a deal, but never does. I don't think a seller should ever turn away potential buyers but rather place them in 2nd position to buy if the 1st guy doesn't show or doesn't have the money. I don't fault the guy with the trailer either as he showed respect and didn't interfere.
I'm glad that everything worked out as it did. Van's a great guy and has worked hard to win this prize. My personal history selling cars is that it's always best to keep the barrel loaded cause the first shot might be a dud:yes:

My personal history selling cars is that it's always best to keep the barrel loaded cause the first shot might be a dud:yes:


Jude , Get some fresh material.... I know a few guys who said their ex-wives used that line on their wedding night .:D

What I was hearing was the phone was ringing off the hook until Vans trailer showed up and then the phone stopped ringing and the truck-trailer drove away. Like the guy in the truck was calling on the phone...

What I was hearing was the phone was ringing off the hook until Vans trailer showed up and then the phone stopped ringing and the truck-trailer drove away. Like the guy in the truck was calling on the phone...

Sorry Charly, but that is just too big of a gap. Cannot imagine what you are talking about????

Do with as Charley suggested. Put back togehter as it is, trailer hitch, CB antenna etc and have some fun with her!! Van if there were a way I could do it I would garantee you will have more fun and enjoyment with you new ride this way than you ever will after the full blown resto is deserves from Dave and Chris in Little Rock.

I say have fun, drive it, enjoy it burn a little rubber even take it to one of those track days pro-touring events to show them what they were like in 69 and then turn her over to the guys in Little Rock for a job done right. Then you can baby her and trailer her to the shows knowing that you enjoyed her as she was and as she deserves to be when done!! Once in a lifetime oppertunity if you ask me.

Even though my 67 is just a jane the 8 years and 100,000 miles or more are memories that will never be forgot just driving and beating on it when I wanted to. Door dings never hurt me, rock chips and broken or chiped windshields were badges of honor. The spoiler being ripped off after hitting a racoon and then a cat was not a big deal an it was just screwed back on. When the kids spilled a drink in the back or fries were found under the seat the stains and smelly ol fries are memories of family fun. A classic car used and driven as if it were bought new and used as daily driver are times you will not forget.

Awsome score. Can't wait to see more pics. The whole thing about having others sneaking around trying to buy the car out from under you brings back a bad memory of an old friend who's passed on now. We used to go to all the car swap meets together and buy & sell a few things. One day at Englishtown NJ I was holding a pair of BB Camaro exhaust manifolds and talking to the young kid that was selling them. He thought they were from a truck and said he wanted $25 for the pair.. My buddy came up behind me and grabbed them out of my hand and bought them before I had a chance to say anything. That was the end of our friendship for many years and even after we started speaking again things were never the same. I'll be the one to speak my mind and say what's probably on alot of others minds here.. If the guys who tried to steal this car knowing a deal had already been agreed on are reading this you are scumbags of the lowest kind. I hope you lost time from work, spent a ton of money trying to find the car, and had a flat tire on the way home (empty handed) DIRTBAGS !!

If some one went there with an empty trailer, then they probably had a big bag of cash with them also.

I wonder if they made it home alive? :)

Awsome score. Can't wait to see more pics. The whole thing about having others sneaking around trying to buy the car out from under you brings back a bad memory of an old friend who's passed on now. We used to go to all the car swap meets together and buy & sell a few things. One day at Englishtown NJ I was holding a pair of BB Camaro exhaust manifolds and talking to the young kid that was selling them. He thought they were from a truck and said he wanted $25 for the pair.. My buddy came up behind me and grabbed them out of my hand and bought them before I had a chance to say anything. That was the end of our friendship for many years and even after we started speaking again things were never the same. I'll be the one to speak my mind and say what's probably on alot of others minds here.. If the guys who tried to steal this car knowing a deal had already been agreed on are reading this you are scumbags of the lowest kind. I hope you lost time from work, spent a ton of money trying to find the car, and had a flat tire on the way home (empty handed) DIRTBAGS !!

Mark, that's a little strong re the guy who was there waiting with a trailer; he was there 'just in case' the potential buyer didn't show up. It was his time, his money, and his opportunity (which didn't pan out that time). But I wouldn't consider him a scumbag for putting himself in position to make a deal if the original deal fell thru. That would be the same IF your 'friend' has stood behind you at the swap meet, waited for you to put down the manifolds and move on, and THEN bought them.. Since he 'grabbed them from your hand' to buy them, then HE IS/WAS a scumbag in that situation! (Actually most vendors who saw such a thing, would simply tell your 'friend' that IF the fella who was already looking at the parts didn't buy them, THEN he could buy them!). I've also been burned by a 'friend' a time or two, the most memorable being when I saw a '56 BelAir Convertible sitting in a yard, obviously not being driven recently (but no one was home). I was new to the area, and called a friend of mine who had lived there all his life, and asked if he knew the car or the owner, explaining that I was going to contact them to join our classic car club, OR if he wanted to sell the car, I would try to buy it. The next day MY 'friend' called me to tell me that HE had called and bought the car! .. which he quickly flipped for a tidy profit....

I've also been burned by a 'friend' a time or two, the most memorable being when I saw a '56 BelAir Convertible sitting in a yard, obviously not being driven recently (but no one was home). I was new to the area, and called a friend of mine who had lived there all his life, and asked if he knew the car or the owner, explaining that I was going to contact them to join our classic car club, OR if he wanted to sell the car, I would try to buy it. The next day MY 'friend' called me to tell me that HE had called and bought the car! .. which he quickly flipped for a tidy profit....

with "friends" like that, who needs enemies . . . ?

I would have demanded 70% of his profit ...

Awsome score. Can't wait to see more pics. The whole thing about having others sneaking around trying to buy the car out from under you brings back a bad memory of an old friend who's passed on now. We used to go to all the car swap meets together and buy & sell a few things. One day at Englishtown NJ I was holding a pair of BB Camaro exhaust manifolds and talking to the young kid that was selling them. He thought they were from a truck and said he wanted $25 for the pair.. My buddy came up behind me and grabbed them out of my hand and bought them before I had a chance to say anything. That was the end of our friendship for many years and even after we started speaking again things were never the same. I'll be the one to speak my mind and say what's probably on alot of others minds here.. If the guys who tried to steal this car knowing a deal had already been agreed on are reading this you are scumbags of the lowest kind. I hope you lost time from work, spent a ton of money trying to find the car, and had a flat tire on the way home (empty handed) DIRTBAGS !!

Little harsh. Read the post over on Yenko.net regarding this car.

Well, this post started out in the"Whats it worth? forum. Was there a single post on this thread that addressed the cars worthiness? Van, would you mind disclosing a ballpark figure? If not I understand....just curious.
For a 7500 mile car it looks rough..had a hard Barn life. Were the miles put on the car at the track?

Please start another post in the appropriate forum of the cleaning and going over the car. You have a piece of GM history, please share.

john