I was wondering if anyone can help me out with a set of sidepipes I'd like to install on my 1969 Camaro project. I've got a set of 67 big block corvette sidepipes with the covers. I was wondering if anyone could help me with how to install them. I know that I will need to fasten the covers to the rocker area, but I'm not really sure how to fasten the pipes to the car. I'm assuming that there are some sort of brackets and bushings to fasten it to the rear portion of the car. I also assuming that a custom bracket will probably need to be made since they most likely differ plenty from the corvette. Does it only fasten in the rear and to the manifold or header? I was also wondering what type of headers are used shorty headers or long tube? I'm assuming that it is probably shorties so that it can mate up with the side pipes easier. If anyone has any pictures of the underside that would show me some of the details I'd greatly appreciate. I was also curious what you all thought that I should do. The set of original 427 67 side pipes that I have are in drivers condition should I use them and just modify them to mate with what ever manifolds that I end up using. Or should I sell them and have a custom pipe / muffler set up made. I hate to wreck the 67 pipes if they are worth anything to anyone, but if they are just common parts and not really worth saving it might be worth just using them since making a custom exhaust might be a little expensive and I'm on a budget. This car isn't a Motion car of any sort. I would like to have some of the Baldwin Motion looks it makes them look pretty sweet. Thanks for any help that you may be able to provide. Jesse

I gew up in the town right next to motion and used to spend a lot of time there bothering Joel, Judy and Ronnie Kort the head mechanic. I always loved the tough look of the Motion accessories including the sidepipes. The kits they used were made by Hooker and are still available. Really expensive and a pita to install. Don't go the universal route with the s-pipe hook-ups. I could never figure out how those things were supposed to connect the header collectors to the side pipe inlet. The geometry just wasn't there!
I have a few tokens of Motion memoribilia given to me by Joel's wife Judy. A Motion dash plaque a phase 111 t-shirt and some other cool stuff. She was really nice to talk with. Joel didn't talk much, usually spent his time stringing tennis rackets. The best guy to be friends with was Ronnie. He would let you hangout in the shop and answer the many questions a young car crazed kid was apt to ask.
I miss that place!

That sounds like a pretty sweet way to grow up. I only wish that we would have had one of these high performance shops in the town I grew up in. There where still plenty of cool stories to be heard. As for the sidepipes please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the Hooker type of sidepipe the style they used on the 2nd generation Camaros? I was under the impression that the mid 60's Corvette sidepipes (like what I have) are what was used on the 67-69 Baldwin Motion cars that received the sidepipe option anyway. I'm thinking of the ralley green RS car that went to Mexico and once was part of the Otis Chandler collection. That's the look I'm trying to go for. Does anyone have any information that they can share with me on how to fasten these style sidepipes and what headers where used. Recently there was a clone of that car built and it's been on ebay a couple times. I tried to get some information from them on how they mounted them, but they didn't want to share any information with me, since they never responded to my email. Hopefully someone here can help me out because, I'd greatly appreciate any help that anyone can provide. Jesse

I have seen 3 different ways the side pipes were connected.
One was with a special side pipe header that used a curved collector. I don't know if anyone makes these headers anymore.

2nd method used exhaust pipe out the header then an 180 degree turn, then ran back to the front to the side pipe inlet.

3rd method used hole in the side of header collector with an exhaust pipe welded in that ran down to the side pipe. The normal header collector outlet had a cap plate on it that can be removed for racing.

Thanks for the information Joe. I had thought that I had saw or heard of the the first two options but not the last one. That is cool to know. I'll have to figure out what to do now. I haven't saw anyone that sells the curved type of header so I'm assuming I will have to go one of the other two routes. Right now the car has a 383 stroker in it but once I get to restoring it I'm planning on putting a big block in it so it will need different headers again. What are your thoughts on what would be best to do so I wouldn't have to redo the sidepipes once I go to a big block? I'd like to get the most performace out of the engines as possible especially once I go the big block route. Do you think it would be best to use the long tube headers (which I currently have on the car) and use option number 2 or would it be best to use shorty type headers so that you don't have to loop around and come back to the front of the car to hook up to the headers? That and what are your thoughts on the original chambered style pipe that is part of the 67 big block Corvette sidepipes that I have? Do you think it would be better to try and sell the pipes and have some thing custom made (especially if I all ready need to make the section to loop back to the sidepipe) or would it be best to use the Corvette pipes and modify them to work with option two or three. I have heard that the chambered pipes are restrictive so that plays into the whole thing as well. I'm just not sure what would be the best way to go and hopefully the least expensive. I was also wondering what you may have saw for a mount to fasten the tail end of the pipes to the car. On the pipes I have there is a tab that a couple bushings fasten to but I'm not sure exactly what I could do to make that work. I'm guessing that I might just have to go to an exhaust shop and have something cutom made at that point as well since I will have to go to an exhaust shop to get most of this done anyway. I would appreciate any more information that anyone may have or is willing to share to help me get this project together. Thanks again Team Camaro. Like usual you guys are the best!!!

There is another way you may be able to hook up the side pipes. I have a 1989 Motion Mustang GT that was Joel's wife's car and Joel set it up with 70's style Motion mods.

It has headers, side pipes, cowl hood, 70's Motion emblems etc.

He used the muffler that has the inlet and outlet on the front of the muffler. So the exh pipe comes off the header into front of muffler, then back out the front of the muffler, then turns to come out the side of the car where it has a fiberglass side pipe cover.