How much torque and horsepower does it take to pull the front end up and lift a tire, or both tires just a little off the ground in a first gen?

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69 Camaro 1977 350
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Murfy,

Don't know what the HP and TQ are, but my 81 didn't lift the front tire until 11.20's (1.55 60' times). The tire was just BARELY off the ground, too. The first gen's might be a little lighter, but I think it all depends on your chassis setup. Take care.

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69 SSRS Frame-off Resto
81 Z-28 377ci Drag Car

I agree with 69SSRS. A major part of pulling the front tires is in the chassis. Also, you would need subframe connectors and a roll bar to prevent the body from twisting.

My guess (and that is what it is) would be at least 500 hp to pull the front tires with a 1st gen WITH A PROPERLY SET-UP DRAG RACING CHASSIS.

Are we talking about accomplishing this on the track or the street? I have only known of one car doing it on the street and it was a 1960 something Vette with a blown 502 and tubs! In that case he got them so high it busted the oil pan. I've heard of others, but they were unreliable sources.

On the track, personally, I don't think that I have seen a car running slower than high 5's or rock bottom 6's leaving with the wheels off the ground. If you're asking because you plan on doing it...Good Luck!

Hey guys, I did it with a 46 chevy 6 cyl!
The knee action shocks were shot and if I got it bouncing, hitting the throttle each time just right, it would bounce the wheels off the ground!

I know, not exactly the way you were asking to do it.

You could get a quick bounce if the shocks and springs are soft enough.

Otherwise I think the others are right it would be a low 11 sec and faster car to do it.
David

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The older I get, the faster I was!

davidpozzi,

that had to be a sight!!!! Bet there were people rolling on the ground laughing.

i saw a 68-72 elcamino lift the tires at least 6 inches and he only ran a 14.5 he lifted them off the line for a bout a foot

If you run slicks..you can pull a car off the ground with the right torque and especially if you have a cluth. My 68 R/S came off the ground 3 inches (doesn't sound like much but if you do it your proud) with the BF Goodwrench 275/60's on it. If I put a slick on there and heated them up. No telling what I could accomplish.

68 R/S Built 396 3.73 gears, tranny from a 62 Vette (I think so on the Vette or Impala one or the other)

Opps I almost forgot... Beware if you go to lifting your car off the ground, I had a buddy of mine pull his up 1 1/2 feet and he had it up for Drag Racing, but didn't have all the frame work done.. Cracked his body around the rear top side of the driver and passenger windows on a 80 something Monte Carlo.

I used to have one of those Meyers Manx fiberglass dune buggies with VW running gear. It was actually pretty much a Baja Race pre-runner rail in a fiberglass body and somehow I got it licensed for the street. Anyway - it would lift the front tires all the time on the street not to mention go like a bat out of hell and climb over virtually anything!

I know it's not exactly a muscle car but it was an absolute blast and a real kick to see peoples reactions when the front end popped up on the street.

The simple approach to pull the front tires up is light weight and lots of power (a short wheelbase is a big help too)!

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Scott
'69 400SB, Richmond 5-speed; '99 HD Road King Classic
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There's some nut here with a dune buggy that runs low 11's! Pulls wheelies and darn near wants to flip over on top end. so much air gets under the front that he can hardly steer it.

Another fun thing about the 46 chevy was we'd get it in a field and put it in reverse and flip the steering wheel. It would go lock to lock back and forth over and over. It was great.
Another time we talked a friend into riding on the roof. I took him for quite a ride, lucky he didn't fall off!
Those were younger and dumber days! I was 15 years old.
David

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The older I get, the faster I was!

I havn't seen anyone mention using a tranny brake that would make alot easier as long as everything was working right.I can't imagine a car with street tires getting enough traction unless it was tubbed.

Hey guys. Pulling the front off the ground definately looks cool, but I was wondering what the objective is here. If it is to look cool showing off power, it is easy to do with the right suspension setup, but for drag racing it is not a good thing. When you pull the car off the ground your wasting power pulling the car up instead of forward. The best set up for the drag strip is to transfer the weight rearward planting the tires for traction and lunging the car forwards not upwards. Just my two cents!!